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Support for those in Emotionally Abusive relationships: 24

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foolonthehill · 10/07/2013 19:58

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
a check list Use this site for some concise diagnostic lists and support
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
why financial abuse is domestic violenceAre you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
20 signs you're with a controlling and/or abusive partner Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans ? He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans - Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels - The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie - If you a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being Co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out ? You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.
heart to heart a wealth of information and personal experiences drawn together in one place

what couples therapy does for abusers

If you find that he really wants to change
should I stay or should I go bonus materials this is a site containing the material for men who want to change?please don?t give him the link?print out the content for him to work through.

The Bill of Rights
bill of rights here is what you should expect as a starting point for your treatment in a relationship, as you will of course be treating others!!

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TheSilverySoothsayer · 05/08/2013 21:26

rose I will let others advise you re contact etc. as I have no direct experience of that.

You have reminded me of the time I asked FW to cancel the DD for his Class II self-empl NI payments coming out of our joint account (by that time, only used for household bills). (He never earned enough to pay any other class of s/e NI). I said if he did not do it within 24 hours, I would.

He didn't. So I did Grin He was Shock Confused [angy] My heart was thudding when I told him. Then it was soaring with a glimpse of the freedom to come.

TheSilverySoothsayer · 05/08/2013 21:27

He was v angy, and also Angry

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crushedpetals · 05/08/2013 21:31

rose, I would not make any long term commitments re contact at all. Daytime contact only, at a frequency which suits dd, and you will need to try it and see what that is. Do not make any commitments in writing at this stage, you need to see how it goes. And see a solicitor, if you can, to get legal advice.

I am coming back to your safety back up plan. Please get a friend, someone you know, to escort you and dd out the door on Monday. Or speak to the police DV person to let them know you are going. He does not actually believe you are going, and he is trying to manipulate you to stay. When you go, you need to be prepared for him to kick off. He hopefully won't, but it will do no harm to be prepared.

honey86 · 05/08/2013 21:32

maybe hes acting like hes not worried to make u think he doesnt care, to see if he can get you to react. so then he can call you irrational.

or maybe hes like my fw- so cocky and arrogant that he thinks you wont do it, that hes too good to leaveno matter his actions Hmm boy did my fw come unstuck. he didnt look so confident on my doorstep few days later Smile

honey86 · 05/08/2013 21:33

petals speaks wise- try n have someone to back you up when the time comes x

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crushedpetals · 05/08/2013 21:38

Fuckwittery notwithstanding, rose has done a damn fine job to get her midwifery place. Great things await her.

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TheSilverySoothsayer · 05/08/2013 21:43

It is good to think this all through rose. This is one of those instances I mentioned where you need to tell yourself Not Yet, and keep thinking and posting. Have you agreed this verbally with FW - from your post it sounds like you may have. Even if you have, you are still entitled to change your mind.

Certainly when I did the financial negotiation (with help of solicitor) I kept my powder dry. It should be interesting to see what he proposes.

I already knew how to change a fuse, check the oil, pump up tyres (I was the only driver for years), mow the lawn, and (theoretically) bleed a radiator (though perhaps not without black gunge getting everywhere?) However, since being on my own, I have finally mastered changing a light bulb without breaking it!!

Notwithstanding is certainly a word.

Notwithstanding his FWittery, the MNetter escaped to freedom.

crushedpetals · 05/08/2013 21:43

It is true Grin

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ColinButterfly · 05/08/2013 21:51

Love it silvery

My ex had such a sense of entitlement that he wouldn't even claim JSA when unemployed and took money off me. His mate got him a job but he just decided not to start it as it didnt pay enough. I cut him off then and he had to sign on. Then he started doing some cash in hand work too. He told me he wasn't signing on anymore but then a mutual friend saw him at the job centre.

It was very stupid of him to get caught cheating by me. I did not report him for benefit fraud, oh no, not me....He was livid when they caught up with him.

CharlotteCollins · 05/08/2013 21:56

He was v angy :o :o

And great sentence with "notwithstanding", petals! :o

Wish I could come and help you with the bed, Rose. I love flatpacks! Blush Geek that I am!

TheSilverySoothsayer · 05/08/2013 21:59

x-posted with a few, but it seemed to fit in with the flow, notwithstanding nevertheless Wink

Noregrets78 · 05/08/2013 22:20

charlotte I love flat packs too. I love counting all the bits at the start and ticking them off. Total geek.

colin Ditto my FW! Apparently signing on was the lowest of the low, and he preferred to try to get money out of me even after we'd separated and he was eligible to claim. It's still my fault for forcing him to claim. Most recent conversation reveals it's now my fault that he has instructed a very expensive solicitor.

rose I like the idea of not agreeing anything contact-wise yet - don't hand it to him on a plate. Whatever you offer he may throw back in your face and make it all your fault. If he wants to see DD then he is perfectly capable of initiating a conversation himself. IME they prefer to wallow, mope and blame the rest of the world rather than sorting it.

bountyicecream · 05/08/2013 22:38

rose just be prepared for him to threaten full custody ie I cn look after dd better as rose is at uni all day. It's another tactic my fw has used ( and it worked on me). Apparently quite a common script too

honey86 · 05/08/2013 22:52

i second the custody script... my fw does that- the police officer just said 'pfffftt... i dont know what he thinks he knows...'

minkembernard · 05/08/2013 23:53

rose glad you are sounding so resolute. He won't believe you are really going or more likely that he can kindly volunteer to go too. don't listen if he triesto tell you it will be easier with him there. you can do it.

Although, having built several beds on my own- it is quite frustrating and much easier with two people as you need to get the sides up at the same time...so make sure you have something to balance one side on while you hold the other. a box or something.

It took my three hours of juggling and swearing to get the dcs beds built by myself. while FW sat downstairs complaining about how long it was taking me as he was bored of looking after his my dcs for me. Hmm made me quite angy too.

So, re. contact. FW has not been in touch to see his dcs for two and a half weeks..I suspect it may be a month or so before he does. I know I should not but i am already anticipating how hacked off i will be if he leaves it to their birthday. because obviously what kind of df would forget his dcs birthday Hmm got to be seen to send a card etc. although it does not matter if he does not see them for weeks. my fault for going to csa of course so that makes it ok
(csa rose just full name, dob and occupation will do. address helps but not required)

if he leaves it too long i am thinking a solicitors letter saying if he wishes to resume contact he will have to enter into a formal schedule for contact.. does that sound sensible? it might backfire if the formal schedule sets out more contact than the dcs can cope with.

CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 06/08/2013 10:12

Another house for rent... and another landlord that's turned me down. Single parent with 4 kids: I'm not going to get anywhere in a naice village like the one my kids go to school in. Oh no. We don't want people like that here.

TheSilverySoothsayer · 06/08/2013 10:20

So what's the transport situation Charlotte? How far away could you live and school be doable?

crushedpetals · 06/08/2013 10:29

Oh, Charlotte, you have to wonder, don't you? Agree with silver, what is the radius around the school which is do-able? At what point are you saying you are a single parent? Can you go through an agency for anonymity?

crushedpetals · 06/08/2013 10:30

mink will pm you later re contact schedule etc, am at work just now Blush