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Support for those in Emotionally Abusive relationships: 24

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foolonthehill · 10/07/2013 19:58

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
a check list Use this site for some concise diagnostic lists and support
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
why financial abuse is domestic violenceAre you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
20 signs you're with a controlling and/or abusive partner Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans ? He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans - Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels - The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie - If you a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being Co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out ? You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.
heart to heart a wealth of information and personal experiences drawn together in one place

what couples therapy does for abusers

If you find that he really wants to change
should I stay or should I go bonus materials this is a site containing the material for men who want to change?please don?t give him the link?print out the content for him to work through.

The Bill of Rights
bill of rights here is what you should expect as a starting point for your treatment in a relationship, as you will of course be treating others!!

OP posts:
ponygirlcurtis · 31/07/2013 23:06

GS you must do whatever feels right for you.

Rose I know it feels awful right now. Hang in there. I promise you, as one who is out a year now, it does get better. Not quickly. But it does.

fabulousfoxgloves · 31/07/2013 23:13

Oh rose, it gets better. Plus, you want to wake up enough days/weeks/ months/years to try out the FW free life that is waiting.
Toxic mother - you will gain strength from not havinf FW to cope with, and that strength will help you find the right solution for your relationship with your mum, be that NC or detachment.

bountyicecream · 31/07/2013 23:15

rose focus on your countdown. Who cares what he can or can't do. And if you have to feed him for 11 more days - well it's a drop in the ocean of the rest of your life.

He is the 'thing' not you

fabulousfoxgloves · 31/07/2013 23:15

honey, thanks, it did feel like a F4J spiel in the end!
mink so true about the difference between the talk and the reality.

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ponygirlcurtis · 31/07/2013 23:35

You will find the strength, Rose. You already have. You have done what needs to be done, now it's just a waiting game.

I'm off on holiday tomorrow so will probably be offline for a week or more. Much strength and love to all, and also to those who we haven't heard from in a while - Charlotte, breathe, fool, Nini, among them. Rose by the time I come back, you will be moved. THink about that. Take that forward. You can get there.

ThanksThanksThanks to all you brave and lovely ladies See you in a week or so.

honey86 · 31/07/2013 23:37

oh yeah of course... hes going to try his best to drain the hell out of you before you go... to make you feel worthless.... to make you feel you are less of a person without him. cos thats the only control he has. he could even put on the nicey-nicey act to make you doubt your decisions. put up that wall hunni, and break free... if he wishes to destroy himself, let him. only he has control over how he ends up, thats not your jurisdiction to worry about.

i tell ya what.... that one thing i am patting myself on the back for... about a few weeks before i ended it, he pleaded with me to get a phone contract for him under my name as his credit score is bad (Hmmas per) so he can get an iphone5. he talked the talk, put on the emotionals about how he 'hardly ever gets nice things', even laid into me for 'showing off' my iphone5 in front of him (i have one, and rightly so, as i always pay my bills on time)... he even sulked like a child.... i still said no. said that i will never take out credit under my name for someone else. my instincts were right..., as he would run up a mammoth bill and try to wreck my credit score. if it wasnt for that, i wouldnt have managed to emergency-finance a new washing machine when my one went bang the other day Confused no fw getting any of my money Grin

fabulousfoxgloves · 31/07/2013 23:42

Yes, and it will stop. When you are out, you will step by step get better and stronger, and as and when you meet a new man, all in good time, your FW radar will be on, and if you have any doubts, you can consult the oracle that is MN.

Honestly, I wish I had had your insights at 26, (the only thing which would stop me saying that is I would not have my precious dc), but you have knowledge now, however painful, which will help you in the future.

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minkembernard · 01/08/2013 00:09

rose look at it this way. you have a lovely dd a new house to go to. a new career to look forwards to. you have plans and a future.

his grand ambition...to take some drugs...

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minkembernard · 01/08/2013 00:18

how does a retrospective nc work? would it change all the times someone referred to your original nn in post? Confused
I think you should choose for you too. yes a lot of people took time to reply to you but i would be surprised if a single one wanted those threads there if it would make you feel unsafe.

and you are already paying it forwards. Smile

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minkembernard · 01/08/2013 00:39

sleep well.
i should go too. :)

FairyFi · 01/08/2013 10:15

Happy Hols Pony hope its a great break with your DC Smile

If you recall GS others wanted you to delete those threads, but at the time you had wanted to hang onto them? They were for you, at the time hun... the posters won't be worried about anything over and above your safety.

Some sickos do plough through that stuff, thats how sicko!

Nights getting bad and going to do some less of anything for a while, meaning might not be popping by for a bit.. just some absorption in DC activities and rest, if at all possible... take care all xxx

minkembernard · 01/08/2013 10:56

fi Thanks thank you for all your wonderful compassionate posts.
I hope you have a good rest. I think an MN break is essential now and again.

be kind to yourself. hoping you can relax and also find som lovely things to do with DCS.

minkembernard · 01/08/2013 11:06

I have been having a think about guilt.
I don't think I had a particularly bad childhood. but I do remember guilt. buckets of guilt.

and when I think of recent situation with dsd my first reaction was immense guilt. even though now I think she may have been being unfair. FW can still make me feel guilty in a heartbeat (although not for finishing with him I have no remorse for any of his claimed victimhood)

so this is for everyone I suppose- do you find you feel guilty a lot? are you possibly more prone to guilt that other people?
I am thinking maybe compassion is one thing that gets us and another is guilt- which is some ways goes with compassion. if you can see someone is hurting and you feel like things are generally your fault or even feel guilty just for not having things as badly as they do, then you want to fix them.

I think guilt is another thing I need to be really aware of. and stop letting it make so many decisions for me.
I would not want to have no compassion and no conscience (then I would be a FW Hmm) but maybe you can have it in the wrong places.

pretty sure FW once said guilt was a selfish emotion. akin to self pity (which he has in buckets).

if only you could take one overly compassionate and guilty person and a FW and form two balanced happy people who compliment each other instead of an abusive relationshipSad

northlight · 01/08/2013 14:35

Hi, just delurking to be a cheerleader.

rose don't underestimate what a bonding and friendship building experience your course will be. At the start of term everyone is in the same boat and very receptive to making new friends.

If you worry that being slightly older and a parent will cut you off from student social life, don't. Almost certainly there will be other mature students/parents on your course. Having a family home means that you have something to offer that others don't. Informal soup/pudding lunches or home-made pizza nights are cheap and cheerful ways of entertaining. Babysitters might well be happy to do the job in exchange for a quiet and comfortable place to do an evening's coursework. You can ask study buddies round.

Am I right in thinking you will be moving into your new home - your new home Smile - before the start of term. This will give you a chance to find your way around and then be a guide to others when they arrive.

This is your most difficult time. I can't think of a poster on these boards who hasn't had regrets - or worse - when they leave. By the same token, I can't think of one poster who isn't happier for making the break.

Visualise the life that you want and the person you want to be. You, star that you are, have all your ducks in a row and a future to look forward to.

Here's a link to the most optimistic song I know.

minkembernard · 01/08/2013 17:41

rose how are you today
only ten days left. i remembered l ate last night, that i think it was bounty when she got her bolt hole felt really flat. and some one way back about thread sixteen said the same i think when they were about to go. so it is not unusual to feel a bit low.
but it will be worth it.

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betterthanever · 01/08/2013 18:47

Sorry I posted and ran - met with a friend yesterday, she is one of those who can just help instantly, don't know how she does it - felt better. Thanks for your kind messages.
Rose as we enter August this is the month you move on. I had a bad day yesterday too but it is not as bad today and I am glad you feel better too.
pony have a great holiday - hope I havn't missed you before you go.
Fi I think I will do the same rest and DC activities. Next wave of Fwitter only due in a couple of weeks. But then those shock tactics may come in between who knows. Need the rest from riding the latest waves.

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TheSilverySoothsayer · 01/08/2013 19:39

Hi rose this time last year I too was counting down the days... till FW moved out. It took him the whole weekend of 10th-13th.

sending love and strength - and might check out what Bob Black has to say Wink

honey86 · 01/08/2013 22:33

hi north ((waves))

rose its great that already your looking at turning this nightmare into a more positive thing... a good step in finding peace within yourself... when you get out, really nurture yourself... the feeling of positivity in your life- moving on from the negative- is a relieving feeling xxx

honey86 · 01/08/2013 22:50

i dont understand what your fw is trying to do with that essay :/ whether hes trying to put in your head that he plans to never work again, that work is bad or to try and put it in your head that you shouldnt bother working or something. the latter sounds like something fws would do, ie- cos they want you to fail, not have a stable career. tbf bob black sounds like a knob too... very errrm... anti-work Confused

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