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Support for those in Emotionally Abusive relationships: 24

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foolonthehill · 10/07/2013 19:58

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
a check list Use this site for some concise diagnostic lists and support
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
why financial abuse is domestic violenceAre you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
20 signs you're with a controlling and/or abusive partner Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans ? He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans - Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels - The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie - If you a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being Co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out ? You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.
heart to heart a wealth of information and personal experiences drawn together in one place

what couples therapy does for abusers

If you find that he really wants to change
should I stay or should I go bonus materials this is a site containing the material for men who want to change?please don?t give him the link?print out the content for him to work through.

The Bill of Rights
bill of rights here is what you should expect as a starting point for your treatment in a relationship, as you will of course be treating others!!

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BloomingRose · 27/07/2013 11:40

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fabulousfoxgloves · 27/07/2013 12:51

Rose, two choices:

Give him the £50, tell him to go to London, stay there and don't come back to leech off you. But of course, I am guessing he has nowhere else to go.

Tough it out, because he will try it on again, and again, and again, until you tell him no more. He has presumably given you the money to cover what you have already paid in housekeeping, for his upkeep. If he is not happy paying for that, see option 1.

No money = no fun which costs money. He is 40. My 10 year old knows that. Actually, I think my toddler knows that.

I hope you feel better soon.

FairyFi · 27/07/2013 13:30

take care of you Rose xxx

BloomingRose · 27/07/2013 13:34

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fabulousfoxgloves · 27/07/2013 13:54

Count down the days, Rose.

ponygirlcurtis · 27/07/2013 16:04

A card is enough, Rose. On your birthday, you'd maybe want him to mark it/acknowledge it, but a gift is funny territory with things as they are. Personally, I would feel bad if he got me a gift, so I wouldn't get him a gift so he'd know not to get me anything. If any of that makes sense!

He is his own person. What he does regards arrangements for his own birthday, or going to London, are not something you need to think about, worry about or feel guilty about. Detach detach.

BloomingRose · 27/07/2013 16:43

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ponygirlcurtis · 27/07/2013 17:19

Rose, there have been a lot of people on here who have doubted whether it was abuse or not. I remember we had a particularly difficult job trying to persuade lovely Charlotte that it was him and not her!

But Rose, whether or not it is abuse it is, you have stated you are no longer together. For that reason alone you need to detach from him, so you can move on. Isn't it enough that someone is workshy (or a cocklodger) and smokes weed when you don't want him to (and you have a young child around)? For many people, that would be more than enough of a reason to leave. You don't need his permission, you don't need him to say 'yes, I abused you'. You will never get these things.

You have not let us down, of course! We all go through wobbly patches. And you are really just hanging on by your fingernails at the moment. Keep focused on your goal, and your new home. Don't try and untangle anything in your mind - it's too hard to do when you are still living with your abuser. Once you are out, I think you will find your mind becomes clearer. We will get you there!!!

BloomingRose · 27/07/2013 19:18

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ponygirlcurtis · 27/07/2013 19:29

Rose - he is trying to make you responsible for his life. Try to have standard responses ready for when he says anything. I find 'oh really?' or 'is that right?' quite useful. It allows you to respond to his attempt to draw you in/engage you without actually saying very much. Or even just good old 'Mmmm-hmmmm'!!!!

BloomingRose · 27/07/2013 20:04

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ponygirlcurtis · 27/07/2013 20:13

Yes, unfortunately. Sad If you have a history of taking responsibility for cheering him up (eg with wine), he is doing what he has always done, and what has always got him results. If he piles on the guilt you will a) get him booze and b) provide him with a focus for blame by making it your problem instead of his.

But now you know his game you can make sure you don't get further embroiled. If he wants to be miserable, let him. It's neither your lookout to be cheering him up or responsible for his moods. By asking him if he is ok, you open the door for him to dump it all on you, so no more of that either!!!

I know it's hard to go against your feelings though. You are obviously a caring person (even more so from the profession you are going into). But caring people are cannon fodder for FWs. They seek them out and suck the life out of them. Find your own space this evening and get away from him if you can.

fabulousfoxgloves · 27/07/2013 20:17

Rose, everything pony says. You cannot sort his life; even if you stay another 10, 20 years, is he suddenly going to change? Get a job, start saving for a deposit, make some friends? He is in a mood because he is 40 and his life has not added up to much, and the one person who has been there for him, he has assaulted, he has insulted, he has not supported, and she has (quite rightly) said enough. Let him be in a mood, stay out of his way, and tick off another day.

Also agree re the whether it is abuse question. Is your life with him the one you want? Is he the partner you want? Does he make you feel happy, optimistic about your future? Can you see you getting old and grey with him? I think it is very difficult to see the wood for the trees in an abusive relationship, especially when the way in which it works is subtle. Even if you do see it, it is very hard not to be drawn in.

Rose, you are a kind and generous person with a great future ahead of you. Give yourself six months, out of this relationship, then ask the question, was it abusive? Am I doing better now?

I still occasionally think, was it me, should I have just accepted him the way he was? And I know I could not have, because of the effect on me, and on dcs. And the longer I am out, the more I realise what that effect was.

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ponygirlcurtis · 27/07/2013 20:31

He is being neither introspective nor normal. He is purely looking for a reaction, trying to goad you into feeling sorry for him. He is seeing that he needs to step up the pressure, since he's 40 and he suddenly realises he will be alone! So watch out for extreme measure of guilt application this weekend.

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FairyFi · 27/07/2013 20:31

please darling Rose don't set apart two incidents of violence. I don't know if I could ever trust someone again that had hit me. the thought of being hit just does insense me.

The most common thing is minimising its not really as bad as that/he only hit me twice and the other one [common thing] is it was all my fault, I made him behave that way (probably believing that because he brain-washed us that we did that, having the power to do that)

yes, definitely the more distance you give it, the more you will see.

you know ... standing back from trees, to see the woods..

see how the meds go hun.. you can always pare them back a little if you feel too grogged by them.

BloomingRose · 27/07/2013 20:34

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FairyFi · 27/07/2013 20:34

shame bout the other thread

FairyFi · 27/07/2013 20:36

Raising a friday night Wine to The Vixens !!! he he .. it is Friday afterall.. love to all xxx

FairyFi · 27/07/2013 20:37

Rose steer clear of the JD those Sad will probably serve to exacerbate considerably? maybe? esp. if smoking too? somewhere you can head out for the rest of the eve..

or head over the moors with us Wink

BloomingRose · 27/07/2013 20:50

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ponygirlcurtis · 27/07/2013 20:56

Rose. Lovely lovely Rose. Read back your post as if I had written it. Pretend I am telling you what my FW did.

What do you think? What would you say to me about what my FW has done to me?

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