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Support for those in Emotionally Abusive relationships: 24

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foolonthehill · 10/07/2013 19:58

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
a check list Use this site for some concise diagnostic lists and support
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
why financial abuse is domestic violenceAre you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
20 signs you're with a controlling and/or abusive partner Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans ? He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans - Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels - The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie - If you a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being Co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out ? You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.
heart to heart a wealth of information and personal experiences drawn together in one place

what couples therapy does for abusers

If you find that he really wants to change
should I stay or should I go bonus materials this is a site containing the material for men who want to change?please don?t give him the link?print out the content for him to work through.

The Bill of Rights
bill of rights here is what you should expect as a starting point for your treatment in a relationship, as you will of course be treating others!!

OP posts:
FairyFi · 25/07/2013 09:32

good morning all... hopes of restful nights and strength & calm this morning all round xxxx

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ponygirlcurtis · 25/07/2013 12:33

Morning all!!! How are you feeling today Rose?

ponygirlcurtis · 25/07/2013 12:34

Afternoon, even... Confused

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minkembernard · 25/07/2013 12:56

rose i think the best thing to do is to carry on with your plan as it is. if after you have some time to think on your own away from the confusion, then there is always time to reconsider. and fir you two to try to work things out...that is both of you trying

otoh
there is no point dragging a millstone around with you
just in case you feel a bit light when it has gone Grin

FairyFi · 25/07/2013 13:16

I think you do know what you know and some distance would allow you to really hear your own voice Rose about what you need right now and to feel you can act on that, whereas his assertions derail you? but there is no crime in needing time to think your own thoughts away from his input, and discover whether you are happy for you (regardless of him, because thats a requirement too, not a crime!).

You still know him to be detached emotionally.

((hugs)) Really sorry to hear you suffered so much having PND and AND, its not your fault lovely xxx

Noregrets78 · 25/07/2013 13:25

rose IMO this doubt of your judgement is all part of the issue, happens to all of us probably. The pain starts to fade, and we wonder why we're going through the hassle of splitting up. But it's a cycle... Worth looking back over your messages and posts to remind you what made you come to that conclusion?
I'm so excited for your new career, and new life I really hope you stick to what you'd decided.

ponygirlcurtis · 25/07/2013 13:28

Rose FWIW, I don't you have blown things out of proportion.

But let's leave that to the side. You are utterly, utterly miserable with your current situation. You need to be not in it anymore, regardless of the reason. You don't need to justify and have a reason that is deemed good enough. You being desperately unhappy is more than enough reason.

If you then factor in the abuse, well then it just makes it even more important for you to get out.

FairyFi · 25/07/2013 13:41

this:

^there is no point dragging a millstone around with you
just in case you feel a bit light when it has gone^

definitely done that!!! in a way of fearing to be seen to be having any fun, or doing anything that might be construed as lavish or self-indulgent for fucking years and now it comes to light that that is actually a huge issue for THE FW!!!

So I knew that (wonderful gut feeling again that we could all be listening to), unspoken truth of life there, and continued here... till NOW.

I only realised that yesterday I had been feeling that way, today you have said it Mink in a very similar way.

TheSilverySoothsayer · 25/07/2013 14:07

rose i suffered from depression in my childhood, teens and twenties, on and off. I also suffered it in my 30's, 40's and 50's. The earlier depression was probably inevitable. The later was undoubtedly very much contributed to by living with a FW cocklodger - only of course I didn't realise this.

Am now FW and depression free.

TheSilverySoothsayer · 25/07/2013 14:09

Ooops ambiguous - I am not a FW (but would I know if I was? Confused ) but I am FW-free!

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FairyFi · 25/07/2013 15:43

sad to say his words Rose speak of pure FW. Each time I was 'broken' by him was the time he wanted sex... sorry ladies, maybe tmi, but it is very telling. He had completed his cycle, vented, broken me, got me spun, torn, and daunted again, and now wanted sex, felt close???!!!! whereas then I felt completely twisted and turned (and actually quite sick).

OMG !!!! I only just read further down on your post Shock Shock another tick for FW bingo

TheSilverySoothsayer · 25/07/2013 15:46

rose I was docile when I was depressed. Both FW and DD (from age 18 to 20) took my docility as contentment with my lot. He was (slightly) better when I was in this state.

I could have written your last paragraph. It took me till 60 to wake up and smell the coffee...

FairyFi · 25/07/2013 15:53

my doesn't make much sense! perhaps?

I only read as far as your saying about now hes feeling close Rose, and it hit the recognition button for me... so I started a reply to share that affinity if I could, which went into sex for me... as I had just written that I noticed that you had already written exactly that! WTF. I thought I was alone again, and there you go, just goes to show. I am so glad you wrote your 'essay' as you call it, I'm very glad you did! xxx ((((hugs)))) its horrible, but better once this stuff is fully realised and pushed past, loads better.

FairyFi · 25/07/2013 16:02

you are young and have your whole life to avoid a possible life-time sentence of him.

If you should decided to buy a home that he moves into, simply get him to sign a solicitors legal agreement that his is absolutely 'not interested in house purchase' and will make no claim on yours! That he will happily cocklodge for as long as he can till he's turfed out...

When I was beaten he wanted sex... when I was strong I was referred to by him as 'like a man' ... inferring?

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FairyFi · 25/07/2013 16:36

Rose whistling you say .... how big a red flag is that

FairyFi · 25/07/2013 16:38

hooooge ... it is very very common and widely acknowledged FW behaviour.. normally the 'king of the castle' type attitude (no matter who's actual castle it is, its HIS)

FairyFi · 25/07/2013 16:42

many months ago I wanted to say all the awful things he had said to me, but I believed them so strongly that despite encouragement [via others sharing theirs] I just couldn't bring myself to do it....

I believed him, all of it... I took on his beliefs, was truly 'brainwashed', I had unwittingly joined a cult it seems, supported by his friends and family. There's so much of it out there, and condoning and normalising of it.... you buy your house lovely... run for the hills xxx

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minkembernard · 25/07/2013 17:15
Crown mink

now I am the queen...i say off with their heads!!!
The FW lot of 'em. Grin

minkembernard · 25/07/2013 17:23

the life of Ted Bundy!?! why ffs.
and that is just another, oh other people they are dull but look at me I am intellectual.

rose i think you have answered your own worries. he is a FW. and you need space.