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Support for those in Emotionally Abusive relationships: 24

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foolonthehill · 10/07/2013 19:58

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
a check list Use this site for some concise diagnostic lists and support
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
why financial abuse is domestic violenceAre you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
20 signs you're with a controlling and/or abusive partner Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans ? He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans - Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels - The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie - If you a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being Co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out ? You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.
heart to heart a wealth of information and personal experiences drawn together in one place

what couples therapy does for abusers

If you find that he really wants to change
should I stay or should I go bonus materials this is a site containing the material for men who want to change?please don?t give him the link?print out the content for him to work through.

The Bill of Rights
bill of rights here is what you should expect as a starting point for your treatment in a relationship, as you will of course be treating others!!

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FairyFi · 22/07/2013 15:58

wonderful stuff Pony.. .I know.. that sun is just great and even more thrilling with holiday to look forward to and get excited about.

WA at their best heh? so cool to hear that ... you sound strong and happy lovely... good to know hun xxx

ponygirlcurtis · 22/07/2013 21:12

Thanks Fi. Am enjoying this feeling for now... I know it may not last!!!!

CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 22/07/2013 21:57

Teens flicking at triggers :( Fi - that sounds tough. My 9yo can be hard work already at times, I dread to think how it will be. I am worried that she has narc tendencies, and that it's because I was useless at saying no when she was tiny. I really just let her do whatever she wanted because it was easier. Am trying to make up for it now, and show her lots of unconditional acceptance and love as well as the firm boundaries. And hoping something sinks in, like you said!

I have a little celebratory moment to share, if you'll allow me: yesterday someone practically barred my exit from church, so keen was she to speak to me (same someone who I thought would understand and didn't a couple of weeks ago, if you remember her, I think I mentioned her then).

Her: Just wondered if we could arrange a time to meet?
Me: Er. Meet? Er. What sort of meet?
Her: One-to-one, to talk about sanctity of marriage, that sort of thing.
Me: Um. I thought Y was seeing me on behalf of the church?
Her Ah, but how much has she brought God into it?
Me: Shock
Her: preached for a bit
Me: I have only stayed in this marriage for as long as I have because I felt it was where God wanted me to be. Did you know I spoke to Ex-Pastor about this in detail?
Her: I just found out, yes.
Me: Thanks to those conversations and a great book on the subject, I changed my mind. And since I made the decision to leave, I have felt nothing but peace, comfort and acceptance from God. I would NOT be doing this if I thought he wanted me to stay.
Her : long pause OK. But what I don't understand is this: why did you get back together on holiday and then break up again so soon afterwards?
Me: It's all very personal. I'm sure you understand when I say I'd prefer not to talk about it.

Woohoo! I kept my boundaries in place! This is totally new for me and it felt great. I hope it's not too boasty to relate the whole conversation like that!

betterthanever · 22/07/2013 22:14

Charlotte you should be amazingly proud of yourself Smile I saw her face in my head as your delivered the last line whoo hoo!!!!! I have read the book too - I treasure it. That and Lundy I would recommend to all girls from the age of 12. You should be celebrating what a fantastic defining moment !!!!! you have also given me the strength to try and do the same.

TheSilverySoothsayer · 22/07/2013 22:53

Spot on, Charlotte :)

fabulousfoxgloves · 22/07/2013 23:09

YY for you Charlotte, loving it . Well done!

Well, I read an article about coercive control today, and I was shaking when I finished. It had very extreme examples of DV, the kind which make you think, well, that is not me, speaking for myself at least, but then he was basically arguing that the intimidation and control is also in the day to day things which undermine your integrity and erode your sense of self. I will link when on pc. I need to read again with a highlighter and stronger nerves.

Plus, I am just observing at the moment, he is trying to achieve something, and not being in the midst of it, I really do see how we had those arguments where what you say gets interpreted as something else and you wonder how a rational discussion turned into a row and it is all distorted. And the not taking no for an answer. He is on his third strategy to erode a certain boundary.

fabulousfoxgloves · 22/07/2013 23:11

To clarify, the first long paragraph, he refers to the author of the article. The second long paragraph, he refers to FW.

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betterthanever · 22/07/2013 23:33

rose when you see them as they really are you feel so mad at yourself - good news, it will go. I didn't have time to feel that all those years ago feeling so scared of him and for my then baby. But when he returned I felt it then and went on and on at myself for being such an idiot. But it really doesn't get you anywhere but more exhausted. He treated you very very badly. It isn't your fault. Try and concentrate on the positives now of your new life. Saying that hun, I think going through it all is in some way necessary to free yourself of those feelings - so either way you are going to feel fab very soon.
fox I would be really interested to read that. It is one of the reasons I give to myself and now court for how my exps abuse started but I didn't understand it and so didn't do anything about it - I was just being left confused how a simple chit chat turned into a blazing row, it got worse and more obvious sometimes but it was always there day to day on some level!! I have told this to cafcass and it often sounds weak which is why I posted the other week about how to explain things. fool gave me good advice by saying to explain how things made me feel - she was spot on - as how you feel does tell you something is wrong even if you can't put your finger on what it is and will be a red flag for me in the future.
I love this thread as it has been like putting a really difficult jigsaw together this last few months, I can really see what the picture is now -it's a FW!!!!

TheSilverySoothsayer · 22/07/2013 23:39

You were younger, you had less experience...

Then you suffered abuse.

Now you are waking up. You have cried. You are going to see your GP. Oh how we wish it worked like 'one bound and we are free' - it's usually lots of small steps, some of which can be painful or scary, especially those first ones... you are getting there :)

TheSilverySoothsayer · 22/07/2013 23:39

oops that was to rose

BreatheandFlyAway · 23/07/2013 00:52

Great link, mink (cor, I'm a poet Grin, reminds me of that song, 50 ways to ditch a lover! "Just get on the train, Jane, get a new life, wife, have some more fun, hun," etc etc!)

FairyFi · 23/07/2013 07:55

Hi Breathe Smile your song thought.. yes.. brilliant! yes poetic you are! but how appropriate and freeing! [all those options to leave!] Grin

I have sung my last 'Delilah', I shall sing it no more, with gusto or otherwise Sad

FairyFi · 23/07/2013 08:29

thanks for the link Mink Grin

ponygirlcurtis · 23/07/2013 09:03

Charlotte!!!!! Go you!!!!!!!! GrinGrinGrin

FairyFi · 23/07/2013 09:07

and very WOOOO ! Charlotte go girl! Smile

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TheSilverySoothsayer · 23/07/2013 12:23

rose you must be absolutely exhausted. Rest as much as you can. Eat and drink something. Inane TV can help, I find.

warm wishes

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FairyFi · 23/07/2013 12:37

y y y Rose please know that you are not alone. So sorry to hear today so far is so caught up with his injustices.... it is certainly in identifying these injustices (rather abuses then) and feeling the emotions within us that identified them that brings us close to the painful reality of the abusive relationship and the spur/motivation/energy to get out hun ... but the realisation is just so hard, but always hang onto knowing its what gets you out! and free and that better is ahead for you, and us all.

Its good to write it all out, to purge almost (relate to that sick feeling definitely), and to hang onto the fact that this is him....

now its your time ((((hugs)))) and more warm wishes here too xxx

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minkembernard · 23/07/2013 13:13

rose well done for reaching out to the doctor. that must have taken some persuasion to get them to come out as they hardly ever do these days.Smile

re. inane tv- I would like to put in a vote for the healing power of Miranda. I got a couple of dvds and sat and watched them at the start when it was really raw as it helped take my mind of dwelling too much. it is important to get the issues out and to allow them to crystallise so you can see where you have been wronged but it is also to try to get some headspace away from the issue.

it may also sound like the last thing you want but exercise is also good. get the adrenaline out.

lots of Brew and Thanks

I am going to brace myself and finally go to the doctors toady to ask for a psychiatric referral and also something to help with the insomnia. I wake up at 5.20 every day. get back to sleep eventually but it is annoying and more than that I have to protect my sleep if I don't I am likely to become hypomanic eventually and then lord knows what woudl happen to the dcs- hence the psych referral just so I can make a plan in case a plan is needed. I don't feel particularly depressed but if I am suffering from insomnia I probably am a bit distressed at some underlying level.

I guess it will be the first time I have officially spoken to anyone about it as although I had counselling all I said was he was 'not very nice to me' (they knew what I meant). we did discuss what he had done and how I felt about it and how unfair and frustrating it was but I never actually said and so that is DA isn't it.

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minkembernard · 23/07/2013 13:21

I am going to try to get something to help me sleep but only take it maybe once a week or so just to make sure I get at least one nights sleep.

I used to take diazepam but I find that wears off after a couple of hours so I come round again.

maybe I should just stop posting on MN at 1AM Hmm Wink

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