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Support for those in Emotionally Abusive relationships: 24

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foolonthehill · 10/07/2013 19:58

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
a check list Use this site for some concise diagnostic lists and support
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
why financial abuse is domestic violenceAre you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
20 signs you're with a controlling and/or abusive partner Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans ? He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans - Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels - The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie - If you a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being Co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out ? You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.
heart to heart a wealth of information and personal experiences drawn together in one place

what couples therapy does for abusers

If you find that he really wants to change
should I stay or should I go bonus materials this is a site containing the material for men who want to change?please don?t give him the link?print out the content for him to work through.

The Bill of Rights
bill of rights here is what you should expect as a starting point for your treatment in a relationship, as you will of course be treating others!!

OP posts:
minkembernard · 21/07/2013 21:32

winnie nearly there Smile

yy to the Hitler (the Jews lied to make him look.bad !?!)
and to claiming to do loads but doing f all.
and the repition.
and the completely different version of events.

thanks all for your views on dynamics.
i think that is it, his lack of respect t showed more clearly with every peak.

babyseal · 21/07/2013 21:40

Rose, I haven't posted much, but I just wanted to say that although our FWs are very different types of FW I can really relate to what you are going through. I told FW I didn't think I loved him anymore 3 months before I finished it, and for that 3 months the stress and anxiety built up inside me; I lost huge amounts of weight, constantly felt sick, and really struggled to carry on with my life, dc's etc. When I finished it we lived together for 6 weeks before he moved out, and it was the worst 6 weeks of my life. The pressure I felt was unbelievable, and it took all my strength just to get through each day and look after the dc's. He wasn't coping at all so it was all down to me.

After he left I was completely elated for about a month, it was like I was high on drugs. FW was doing some serious hoovering around this time and was trying to impress his new gf we even managed to spend Christmas day together with the kids. I then came down off my high when he started getting really controlling and bitter, and I started grieving the lost relationship and loss of my family unit. It has been a rollercoaster, and although 8 months on I am still very stressed out by him and have periods of feeling like I cannot cope, I am so glad I did it. I am out of the other side, even though he is still being an asshole and is trying desperately to regain some control of me all the time. Stay strong and look to the other side of all of this. You can do it Smile.

TheSilverySoothsayer · 21/07/2013 21:43

My FW was unchanging. He thought we got on okish (apart from no sex), and so did DD, but these were during the times when I was miserable but hiding it, and DD was a joy when she was around even though we weren't getting on.

Then I would either have a wave of hope (eg after he agreed to share housework fairly) which would fade as it became clear he had not changed one iota. Or I would have a drink of tea and feel feisty and do housework and make plans and get angry and challenge him. To him, this was just proof that I was mentally unstable.

BloomingRose · 21/07/2013 21:58

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TheSilverySoothsayer · 21/07/2013 22:19

rose this time last year I had 5 days as a psychiatric in-patient - partly due to the stress of still living under same roof as FWEx, who I had divorced 4 months earlier. At the time I didn't know how long it would be before he finally moved out.

Your combination of selfcare TLC sounds just the thing :)

ponygirlcurtis · 21/07/2013 22:27

Winnie glad you are feeling steady. Sometimes we need a little push along the way, let your friend's support encourage you in the right direction.

Silvery you have a new name, geez a twirl! Lovely! Very mystic!

Rose 6 months is a lot in anyone's book. But you are so close. Hold on.

mink yes, or he felt freer to express his lack of respect with every peak (or maybe that's just saying the same thing).

TheSilverySoothsayer · 21/07/2013 22:30

I am fortune telling at a fete on the MH Board Grin

ponygirlcurtis · 21/07/2013 22:36
Grin
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TheSilverySoothsayer · 21/07/2013 23:02

We agreed financial settlement in mid-June, thus avoiding First Appointment hearing (last chance before serious money needed to proceed further). But of course agreeing is just the beginning of the end - there is a lot to do. My body and brain, however, having been hanging on for the best part of a year, began to allow themselves to wind down a little. even though I knew it was too early!

4 days after getting out, having been assessed as well on the way to recovery, I signed my paperwork for house transfer to me as sole owner. It was some time before FW signed his paperwork for house transfer...

But here I am Grin

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fabulousfoxgloves · 22/07/2013 07:43

rose, posted you a reply, only short as need to get ready etc. Hope visit to gp goes well.

fabulousfoxgloves · 22/07/2013 08:19

As to the dynamic, the thing which I think is Sleeping with the Enemy, very very controlled, possessive, manipulative, and this included expectations of how people should be, with little understanding of (respect for?) boundaries and the pressure others might feel. If things went his way, it was fine, if they did not, he would be annoyed. So, over time, being a people pleaser, it became about not annoying him.
Add in over time, provocation to get a response once he worked out he could (see snotty nosed crying mess comments above), squirrelling away his money, expectations of how I should spend mine, the sex and power stuff I don't want to go into.
I am not sure there was a pattern, it was gradual and it escalated. It got worse after I stopped the sex and power stuff, because I recognised that for what it was; it got worse when I started to assert different ways of doing things; it was constantly about DD, which escalated once she got old enough to answer back and assert herself, till there was a PA episode which was the tipping point. And so on.
I think it lasted because we did not live together, and because all my time was accounted for, because I never had a moment to think clearly, and because, while it was always there, I did not recognise it and it was gradual.
Not sure if that helps. All I know is that we ended up with something very nasty, and the more distance I have, the more I realise. And the fact that the attempts at control are still going on, ugh.

fabulousfoxgloves · 22/07/2013 08:19

That was for mink belatedly.

fabulousfoxgloves · 22/07/2013 08:24

When I say I stopped the sex and power stuff, I mean I got up and walked out and did not go back. Then there were a couple of other episodes which effectively damaged our sex life for good. Which is when I think it started to get really obvious.
Okay, I need to get on.

ponygirlcurtis · 22/07/2013 09:13

fox I think the 'never having a moment to think clearly' is key. When we were first married, which is when FW's physical intimidation and aggression towards me started properly, we were together for a straight 7 weeks (him being a teacher and me working from home). It was just horrendous, and it was only after he went back to work that I started tentatively lurking on the EA thread, emailing WA, etc. And last summer was when I had left but we were 'trying' I saw him almost every day at his request - I suspect now because he needed to keep that control over me. Again, it was only after he went back to work that I started to see a bit more clearly how his EA hadn't changed at all.
While you cannot think clearly, you cannot see a pattern, and therefore cannot recognise what is going on.

Rose hope you are doing ok this morning. Speak to the GP, if only to have something to get your through the next few weeks.

TheSilverySoothsayer · 22/07/2013 10:21

rose [hugs]

I read the other day that stilling the tongue by pressing against roof of mouth can help with thought-stopping.

betterthanever · 22/07/2013 10:37

silvery I will try the tongue technique.
This is my conclusion too fox -All I know is that we ended up with something very nasty, and the more distance I have, the more I realise. And the fact that the attempts at control are still going on, ugh.
How are you this morning rose? Hope you managed some sleep. Going to read your other post now.

minkembernard · 22/07/2013 11:59

I have taken in all of your posts, and I am going to try and not go on about me too much for the next few weeks, as I don't want you all to get sick of me ha!

rose really don't bottle it up. if you want to come on here and post about yourself, do. you are doing tough time. you need your energy for yourself. by all means post for others if it helps you but you have years to pay it forwards. right now you need to be very kind to yourself.

i for one have a big debt to this thread which I am happy to pay back and i am sure that goes for the other lovely ladies Thanks. in short we are happy to listen and to read and to help in any tiny way we can. so do not ever feel like you have to bite your tongue. you have probably done that quite enough already. you are among friends and this is what friends are for Smile

we are not going to get sick of you because all we want is to see you through this.

It all works out even in the end.
so if you have rant we have Brew (and Wine)

(maybe that should be the EA thread strapline Grin)

ponygirlcurtis · 22/07/2013 12:40

mink Grin at EA thread strapline!

And seconding the rest of your post too.

FairyFi · 22/07/2013 13:04

Thinking of you this morning Rose

I hope you are feeling much calmer today.. this definitely is [one of] the places to come to offload, a place of sanctuary to be listened to and really heard, and understood. There are no apologies needed for that, or judgements or restrictions on it either.

Its good to know that this will end too, with him out of your life, you will be able to recover and move on from it all and leave it behind you lovely

sending you ((((hugs)))) for a better day, a calmer and thoughts for your different life ahead xxxx

FairyFi · 22/07/2013 13:19

very tempted to visit the soothsayer on the MH board... not sure I'm quite ready to know my fete yet tho Wink

ponygirlcurtis · 22/07/2013 13:24

fete... You is funny, Fi!!!! Grin

FairyFi · 22/07/2013 14:16

Grin have you been Pony?

ponygirlcurtis · 22/07/2013 14:52

Yes, I have been Pony. Still am! Grin

Sorry, feeling a little mischievous today!!!! Getting excited about my holiday, for one thing. Am fine thanks Fi, and thanks for asking. We are doing good. Having lots of fun in the sun, it makes such a difference to be able to get out and about. And the WA days I have had, they have really buoyed me up for some reason! Makes me happy to think of them looking after people that need it, and being so dedicated.

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