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Being single

335 replies

blackbirdatglanmore · 19/06/2013 08:37

This is a spin off from another thread on here which made me realise several of us were in the same boat.

When you split up with a partner, or express anxiety about the years ahead, either because you want a baby or just worry about being alone, one of two responses tends to be made.

The first response is that you WILL meet somebody, it is easy, the person you're talking to has and they know an aunts friends neighbour who did. If you've been alone some time the response becomes accusatory and tells you that you haven't made the effort and you need to 'put yourself out there.' For most people this means online dating or 'clubs'.

The second response is that you should be happy for beng single - grateful in fact, because they had an abusive partner some years ago and are happier without him and if you're lonely maybe you should join a club.

Grin

This thread is for single women in the real world. To take the first response, you may meet somebody, that is true. However, for some of us we know its unlikely. In my case it is my age. I am mid-thirties, most men my age are settled with a marriage, a mortgage and children. Younger men want younger women. I joined mysinglefriend last year (online dating site) and the numbers of hugely attractive, professional women in their thirties was significant. I got nowhere with that, one date Grin and we had little in common. I have since spoken to many women who have admitted online dating wasn't for them, and nor was it for me. I am a slow burner and can't feign affection for somebody on the basis of one meeting. That leaves meeting someone in 'real life' which is not easy. Certainly all (I'm really not exaggerating) the men I meet are attached.

While you can be happy alone, and I am, it doesn't mean it isn't hard sometimes. My social life is restricted and I spend a lot of time alone because my friends are married with babies/small children. Holidays are difficult. I don't get to enjoy any intimacy (I wouldn't like one night stands) and while I've taken the step of deciding to have a child alone, for other women accepting single hood means accepting being childless which would break my heart.

The advice to 'put yourself out there' and join clubs is well meaning but doesn't account for the lack of 'clubs' - certainly around here the clubs are for young mothers and for retired people! Not quite what I am looking for!

'Get a pet' is also advice that can be very upsetting. I have two cats, they are much loved animals but they are not a people substitute and should not be viewed as such.

Sme people assume you are single because on some subconscious level you are damaged and shy fom intimate relations. There was perhaps some truth in that for me once, but in the last seven years I have worked with men who I found attractive and who I was drawn to. If they'd asked, I'd have said yes - but they didn't - why, because of their girlfriends.

So I am starting this thread in an attempt to:

dispel the myths about why women are single
to give us a safe place to moan without being ordered to join clubs!
discuss matters pertaining to single women.

I hope someone else posts now! Grin

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maleview70 · 28/06/2013 20:27

Think it is easier being single as a bloke.

Most lads grow up spending their lives involved with sport and drinking in pubs.

When I was single I knew I could walk to the pub and there would be 3/4 people in their who I knew.

joblot · 28/06/2013 20:47

I have a date on Sunday. I'm going because it's a trip out, I'm not over keen on the prospect. But like you blackbird there's only so much time I need on my own. In fact I really shouldn't bother with the date but it's something to do and the dog gets a walk. Ever the pragmatist...

I wonder if one is more vulnerable to crap relationships as a result of loneliness?

ALittleStranger · 28/06/2013 22:05

MaleView how old are you? Consensus seems to be that older single women fare much, much better than older single men. Although younger single women get a much tougher time of it, so maybe that's just our revenge.

maleview70 · 28/06/2013 22:42

When I was single I was early 30's

I think much older single men ie late 50's and 60's come from a generation where they married young and often had everything done for them by their wives and therefore struggle when they become single later in life.

There is an element of truth in men your age going for much younge women though which leaves women in their late 30's and 40's being contacted by much older guys as described by many on here. I know a single bloke in his early 40's who only dates women aged 25-35. Not sure why that is but it seems to be common.

blackbirdatglanmore · 29/06/2013 00:13

Stranger that is reassuring, as I do sometimes find myself worrying a bit about long decades ahead spent alone!

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ALittleStranger · 29/06/2013 00:17

I should admit that I have no first hand experience of that (despite the amusing assumption maleview has made about my age) but it's what everyone says...

Latara · 29/06/2013 09:10

I've decided that if i internet date then i may lie about my age as i get mistaken for a 20s aged woman all the time in RL.

I tried OD once and gave my real age then (34 - i'm 36 now) but looked younger in my photo - 60 year old men contacted me!
Gross. I don't want to date men my dad's age ffs.

Blackbird i also worry about the future if i am alone.

blackbirdatglanmore · 29/06/2013 09:32

I wonder if it will get easier, if friends divorce and children grow and more of us are in the same boat, or harder, as I know is many couples in their fifties/sixties where they are practically one person and come as a unit!

I don't know, I suppose I will manage then, as now really.

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ALittleStranger · 29/06/2013 10:16

Blackbird things may, and probably will, change as well. Everyone has periods, often long periods, of being single. Many of your friends probably will divorce/seperate, but you might spend your 50s blissfully coupled up.

maleview70 · 29/06/2013 10:58

It wasn't an assumption about your age littlestranger, I meant generally the people posting on here who were saying they were being contacted by older men.

blackbirdatglanmore · 29/06/2013 17:31

Little; I won't, I think I have always known on some level I won't but thought my fairy-tale would emerge but it hasn't and it won't. I don't actually mind being single as such, I just wish my friends were around a bit more and my family were more involved. Sad

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watchforthesnail · 30/06/2013 09:09

Blackbird, sorry you are having a bit of a down time, happens to us all. I dont think people fully appreciate how hard it is sometimes ( and of course, sometimes its great too)

Im having a terrible week..I was meant to have a date for friday evening, with this guy id chatted to on okcupid earlier this year, he vanished and then came back, we got chatting for a few weeks and set a date. he then vanished off the face of the earth. I sent a general hi text and i got a reply 3 days later saying he had changed his mind. Never mind thought i.... I had joined match on a 3 day , free, subscription last weekend, had winked and emailed like my life depended on it and had given 10 or so men my email address for when the sub ran out. One really stood out, quickly moved onto texting and had a date, at a cheese farm!!!! set for yesterday. Unfortunately as i chatted with him more it became clear he was a complete loon. with something like 7 fb profiles, one of which he was listed as married in.... an overdosing ex girlfriend, out of work, ghosthunting, keyboard warrior. So, i cancelled. and then had to block him when he started begging....
Onwards and upwards and determined to make the most of my childfree weekend i upped the contact with another from the site who sent the loveliest messages... seemed really nice, he chased lots, and tied me down to a coffee friday morning. I text to confirm first thing friday as he had said he was going to email me somethign thur evening and hadnt... and ive done dating enough to know that things can change.. i didnt want to get stood up, so i sent a ' we still on for coffee' an hour later and 20 mins before the date i still hadnt heard.... so sent a ' i guess not, in any case i wont be there, manners cost nothing' text
One guy ive known for 4 years and dont want anything with took this weekend as the weekend to email me abuse for not wanting to be with him...
and its just exhausting, totally and utterly exhausting.

My mother rescued me from my pit of despair and took me to lunch before trotting out the old ' it will happen' line. I did ask her if she had ever been single anywhere near as long as i had, and of course, her answer was no, maybe 6 months once, nowhere near my five years.

Ive taken the decision to stop online dating for a while, I think most people would be reeling from the above, but of course its a double edged sword because at least while im dating i feel like im trying to do something, whereas if i just do nothing i know full well nothing will happen.

Its just all very hard sometimes.

blackbirdatglanmore · 30/06/2013 09:29

It is hard, and I really sympathise. I stopped online dating as I only got interest from strange people, bar one oh I went on a date with. Nice enough guy but we had little in common.

I think parents and friends think it will happen for us because they think we are lovely and can't see why others can't see it! I honestly feel though its an age thing: most successful relationships are forged before the age of 25 so that people 'grow up' with their partner and they practically become one person. I know a lot of people like this who rarely do anything independently; they just come as a pair.

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watchforthesnail · 30/06/2013 09:47

I do have one more date line up for next monday, we have been chatting for a week, google has thrown up no warning signs and we have lots in common, however, as these things go, and being that the date is a whole week away, it could all change.

I swear its because its harder to meet people when you are over your early 20's. Then you are all going out in groups, and there is lots of going out happening. I rarely go out somewhere like that, dont get me wrong , i do leave the house a lot, but i dont end up in situations were people can freely talk or might end up in a snogging nor number swapping situation. Married people ( and i was once married) just say ' oh, go down the pub, thats what i did' but they forget they were 20 and you are now 35 and its all different.

blackbirdatglanmore · 30/06/2013 09:52

So true! Unfortunately I completely missed out on the happy-go-lucky social life in my late teens/early twenties and now like you say you don't just get the same opportunities to meet people and even when you do they are married!

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watchforthesnail · 30/06/2013 10:09

i go out with work people who are younger sometimes, in big groups, of course that doesnt ever do me any good, because what man would be interested in a dumpy 35 year old with a child, then there is a lithe, childless 24 standing next to her. lol. I still go out course, and have fun, but that is always the outcome.

Sat with my mother having lunch yesterday saw 3 men i fancied, all closely followed byt their families.... i do wonder where these kind of men are, because sure as hell they arent on any dating sites.

blackbirdatglanmore · 30/06/2013 10:25

Some are out there of course (before anyone chips in telling me about how they met their DH at 31!) but it just isn't easy.

Also, I do think that when you've just split with someone a lot of people perhaps try to set you up while for me I think people just see me as 'the single one.'

It's strange sometimes thinking it is very highly probable I'll never have sex again. I don't miss it really, but it's still a daunting thought! Shock

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patienceisvirtuous · 30/06/2013 11:17

I think lots of people think they will never have sex again when the future is unknown.

You probably will though :-)

DiaryOfAWimpyMum · 30/06/2013 11:35

Of course you will have sex again, just when you feel you want too, I think, that's what most dating sites are for ime. I get asked all the time why am I still single, I don't have an answer, maybe because I am not actively seeking anyone and have the DC so can only go out at weekends, I suppose I could arrange for during the week but I just cbarsed.

I have DC and the only time I feel lonely is when they go away for 2/3 weeks in July, Ive been single for almost 3 yrs - dating here and there ( mostly when DC go away in July and @ weekends) but I have not dated in 7 months (longest for me) and I don't miss it tbh.

This year when the DC go away I will go to my friends, get one of those little cross stitch things, walk the dog, read books and get in some DVDs and sleep a lot!!

blackbirdatglanmore · 30/06/2013 13:59

Why are you so sure I will Wink Seriously, I don't think I will. I haven't come out of a relationship; I've never been in a relationship, and I don't think I will ever be in a relationship. Since ONSs aren't for me, it's unlikely I'll have sex again.

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ChattyKa · 30/06/2013 14:10

This has been an incredibly interesting thread thanks for starting it. I have been single for two years now divorced and just thinking whether to start getting out there or just not bother and this has really made me think. Thanks!

patienceisvirtuous · 30/06/2013 15:51

I said you probably will ;-)

If you want to that is. If you do then you probably will.

What were the circumstances around your previous partners? Friends that lead to more?

I came out of a hideous relationship last year. I hadn't had sex for over two years. And I was convinced I never would again :-o so I took the first opportunity I got (with someone attractive ;-) to have a one night stand just to prove to myself my sex life wasn't over I think

It was crap anyway and although I am not bothered really I wish I hadn't done that. Panic made me do it! :-)

blackbirdatglanmore · 30/06/2013 16:07

Patience, I don't have any previous partners Confused I've never been in a relationship. I would like to be in a relationship but I don't get any offers, therefore, since one night stands aren't really for me, I don't think I will ever have sex again.

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patienceisvirtuous · 30/06/2013 16:18

Sorry, I thought because you said you didn't do ONS but said sex 'again' that you had previously had a partner in some form. That's why I mentioned the friends thing.

Anyway, I wasn't prying, was just wondering ways in which you'd previously met people and whether they were still an option

It's a shame you feel despondent because life can massively change direction at any point.

If you do want a relationship, do stay open to having one because there is always hope.

watchforthesnail · 30/06/2013 16:27

I think regarding sex, its there if you want it. Its just how much you want it v your standards.

So, if you do want sex there is nothing wrong with going on a date or two with someone wildly unsuitable and attractive and having a good time, enjoying it for what it is. if it scratches an itch, then great :)

If you only want sex within the confines of relationship, then yes it might possibly mean waiting a very long time.....