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Being single

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blackbirdatglanmore · 19/06/2013 08:37

This is a spin off from another thread on here which made me realise several of us were in the same boat.

When you split up with a partner, or express anxiety about the years ahead, either because you want a baby or just worry about being alone, one of two responses tends to be made.

The first response is that you WILL meet somebody, it is easy, the person you're talking to has and they know an aunts friends neighbour who did. If you've been alone some time the response becomes accusatory and tells you that you haven't made the effort and you need to 'put yourself out there.' For most people this means online dating or 'clubs'.

The second response is that you should be happy for beng single - grateful in fact, because they had an abusive partner some years ago and are happier without him and if you're lonely maybe you should join a club.

Grin

This thread is for single women in the real world. To take the first response, you may meet somebody, that is true. However, for some of us we know its unlikely. In my case it is my age. I am mid-thirties, most men my age are settled with a marriage, a mortgage and children. Younger men want younger women. I joined mysinglefriend last year (online dating site) and the numbers of hugely attractive, professional women in their thirties was significant. I got nowhere with that, one date Grin and we had little in common. I have since spoken to many women who have admitted online dating wasn't for them, and nor was it for me. I am a slow burner and can't feign affection for somebody on the basis of one meeting. That leaves meeting someone in 'real life' which is not easy. Certainly all (I'm really not exaggerating) the men I meet are attached.

While you can be happy alone, and I am, it doesn't mean it isn't hard sometimes. My social life is restricted and I spend a lot of time alone because my friends are married with babies/small children. Holidays are difficult. I don't get to enjoy any intimacy (I wouldn't like one night stands) and while I've taken the step of deciding to have a child alone, for other women accepting single hood means accepting being childless which would break my heart.

The advice to 'put yourself out there' and join clubs is well meaning but doesn't account for the lack of 'clubs' - certainly around here the clubs are for young mothers and for retired people! Not quite what I am looking for!

'Get a pet' is also advice that can be very upsetting. I have two cats, they are much loved animals but they are not a people substitute and should not be viewed as such.

Sme people assume you are single because on some subconscious level you are damaged and shy fom intimate relations. There was perhaps some truth in that for me once, but in the last seven years I have worked with men who I found attractive and who I was drawn to. If they'd asked, I'd have said yes - but they didn't - why, because of their girlfriends.

So I am starting this thread in an attempt to:

dispel the myths about why women are single
to give us a safe place to moan without being ordered to join clubs!
discuss matters pertaining to single women.

I hope someone else posts now! Grin

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velvetspoon · 22/06/2013 14:00

It's all very well to say you can get what you need from friends and family, but that's not true for everyone. Many people have no family - I'm an only child, my grandparents died before I was born/under 10, my parents both died before I was 25. My family extends as far as my 2 DCs (who are now 12 and 14 and will soon have lives of their own). I am grateful I have them of course, but I feel both of them miss out on having a large family like others do - they have said as much to me in the past, that (aside from me) there was no-one to come and watch them play football, take part in sports day, school plays etc. Being the only single parent at those events was always a great joy...

As for friends, most of my friends are in relationships, and whilst we get together and 'do' things quite often, their priority is their husband/partner and family. Of my single friends, they are split into 2 camps - either have loads of friends/work commitments and are always busy so I rarely see them, or always free, but so set in their ways I have to move heaven and earth to visit them, and then end up getting put down about the fact I'm trying to meet a man Hmm. Friends are NEVER going to fill the space in my life where a relationship should be, much as it would be nice if that were the case.

I'll admit I really do want a relationship, even if at times it seems hugely unlikely to happen. I miss company, companionship. I like sharing my bed. I miss regular sex - and whilst yes, anyone can go out and just have a ONS, I don't want to have to do that every time I want sex, who would?

blackbirdatglanmore · 22/06/2013 14:10

Like velvetspoon I don't have a large family. I have my dad but truth be told he isn't really very interested in me - he keeps in touch but in a hearty "update every month" sort of way.

If you have a supportive family then they can 'step in' where a partner may not but if you don't you are relying on friends. I have lots of friends but they have boyfriends, husbands and young children and their time is therefore hugely limited.

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Latara · 22/06/2013 16:18

I have some good friends but they aren't always interested in doing the same things as me and have all but one stopped wanting to go out at night more than once a month.

I should maybe find some more friends but that's hard as finding a boyfriend...

mcmooncup · 22/06/2013 18:37

I only have my mum for family too.

It really is possible to have intimacy with friends. I promise.

I go away with friends, I go to events with friends, I have friends where we call one another 'wife', tell each other everything, moan, laugh, call in the middle of the night, trust and so on. I think this is easily dismissed as "not being good enough" before you have even actually tried it.

patienceisvirtuous · 22/06/2013 18:48

Mc, I agree. But it becomes harder to have those relationships with friends once circumstances change i.e. they get married and have DC

I have those types of friendships, which did make single life easier. But - it's not the same (imo anyway).

velvetspoon · 22/06/2013 19:00

I have lots of friends, some I have known since primary school, so well over 30 years BUT I really don't think however close friends we are it can take the place of a relationship.

I've asked various friends over the last 4 years (of singledom) if they want to go on holiday together, or even just a weekend away - they're all too busy, can't afford it or (as far as the holiday was concerned) didn't want to go away with my children.

I do meet new people, make new friends but all the new ones I meet are either through work (who are all much younger than me, no children and living a v different lifestyle) or are friends of my existing school mum friends and are all happily married...

blackbirdatglanmore · 22/06/2013 19:02

I don't think anyone has dismissed friends as not being good enough! Rather, that pinning down friends with husbands and small children is difficult and that when you can, you aren't their priority - their families are.

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Latara · 23/06/2013 19:06

I certainly haven't said friends and family aren't good enough.

My friends and family (parents, sister, nan, cousin etc) are lovely and i wouldn't be without them.

But family can't always be there and neither can friends; my friends all live at least 10 miles away and have their own partners / families / work committments.

I would love to come home to a partner; or at least to a phone call or even a text from a boyfriend to make me smile.
I finish work late often when friends are in bed but hopefully a boyfriend would at least bother to text. I know men aren't perfect but i'd like the kind of affection you just can't get from female friends IYKWIM!

blackbirdatglanmore · 25/06/2013 23:08

I am really feeling it lately, not sure why. Possibly because friends seem to be busier than ever and I've got the long summer holidays looming. I've got some plans but they are pretty much all solo plans and I'm finding it hard to feel particularly excited about them.

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VelvetSpoon · 25/06/2013 23:49

blackbird did you say you were a teacher? I imagine the summer must seem a very long gap to fill, several weeks off in one go is much harder than every weekend.

I'm struggling a bit at the moment too - I seem to be surrounded by couples - every time I go onto facebook someone else has changed their relationship status, or are moving in together, or getting married. And I keep wondering when, if ever, it will be my turn. Or in fact if my turn has been and gone, and I missed it without realising.

blackbirdatglanmore · 26/06/2013 00:28

Yes, it can be difficult - and believe me nothing enrages people like admitting the summer can be tough! But it is; my main social interaction comes from work. Out of 36 days last summer I think I had company for around nine of them,and two of them were results days.

Lots of weddings here as well. It doesn't get any easier. Sorry for the woe is me post; I'm normally quite upbeat. I'm just questioning what my life has come to really. I feel fat and frumpy and far removed from the person I was even just a few years ago.

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Walkacrossthesand · 26/06/2013 00:49

For me (18 years essentially single after being a deserted wife, raising 3 DCs) it's the frustration of having to be ok single when I'd rather have a 'significant other'. At 50+, I've had an OD profile on various sites on & off, and repeatedly experienced the disillusionment of being ignored - I get no mesages, I send messages to likely-looking guys, I see that they've read them and looked at my profile, and - zilch. Ignored. I keep busy, I have friends, but there seems to be absolutely nothing more I can do. It's so dis-spiriting. I hear you, sisters!

blackbirdatglanmore · 26/06/2013 07:26

You're not alone! I have experienced the same with online dating. Conversely, I have friends who in all honesty on paper seem to be a harder match than me find someone immediately, weird isn't it?

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AWarmFuzzyFuture · 27/06/2013 09:54

Bumping this thread...in hope of drumming up more contributors

blackbird OD is a parallel universe full of strange happeningsConfused one should approach it with equal amounts of bemusement, disdain and good humour.

TurnipCake · 27/06/2013 10:01

I feel a bit 'meh' about dating at the moment. Online just doesn't do it for me at all, I've tried setting up a profile but I just don't have that motivation to get stuck in as it were.

I also feel like I've missed the boat.. twice. I was on a 6 year degree course, so after 3 years when some of my friends graduated, I thought, "I'm still a student, no rush" etc while those friends settle down. Now my friends who were on the 6 year course have also started to settle down. The lovely guys I meet via mutual friends or at work are already married or in relationships. Feels like slim pickings out there at the moment!

Latara · 27/06/2013 11:57

I like one guy who is a trainer at the local gym; he's nice and friendly but i think he just feels sorry for me (I had a female trainer, then was very ill with MH problems so i had to cancel sessions; she guessed and i think told people at the gym).

So i don't know if he's friendly because of that or if he actually likes me; but i think he's out of my league probably.

comingintomyown · 27/06/2013 12:42

Nice to see this thread back on the first page Smile

I am sorry you are feeling low blackbird I wish I knew the answer

I have been thinking how nice having a lovely relationship would be but I keep coming back to the fact that I feel so cynical that it could exist. I know theres a bit of the "If you dont try then you cant fail" going on with me too.

blackbirdatglanmore · 27/06/2013 20:36

Yes, I've got to be far too cynical for my own good!

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bigstrongmama · 27/06/2013 22:36

I know you are just saying it like it is, and that's fine, but this thread makes grim reading for a newly single lady! This week I have discovered that a great long chat with a good friend can make me feel all loved and cared for, something I never realised before. I guess I didn't know how much I needed people. The main problem is making time for lovely chats... It is so much easier with a live in partner. And they are obliged to listen to you everyday, can't expect friends to have that much time. I need to make more friends!

blackbirdatglanmore · 27/06/2013 22:41

I went for a drink with friends after work mama and it was great. I laughed my head off; really big belly-laughs which I needed.

You can make more friends but there's a limit. It isn't so much the timing as when - the times you badly need friends are when unfortunately they aren't there. Weekends and holidays. Sunday evenings when there's a tough week ahead. After work following a tough day.

There are pluses to being single as well. It's the endless, endless hours alone that get to me.

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dollyindub · 28/06/2013 00:13

We're pretty much all in the same boat (though granted some of us have kids) but maybe there could be people in similar areas who may want to meet up?
When I was single before, I ended up actively seeking new single girlfriends to go out with as I was so sick of spending endless weekends in on my own.
I also thought about starting a kind of group for single women just to go out for drinks, cinema etc.
Never got further than the thinking about it stage though!

comingintomyown · 28/06/2013 17:37

It would be nice to have more single friends who think the same way I do , the only times I ever question how content I am as I am is when I've been with my friend who is desperate to meet someone and I think am I ok single ?

The kind of thing for me though that keeps me firmly on my own is things like today. My lovely boss was chatting about her second DH who she has never talked about (we arent close) before. She was laughing saying he is massively tight and OCD about money and a few other things . Not a big deal on the face of it but I am just not prepared to give an inch on anything in my life.

In my relationships I have always thought about my partners needs from trivia to the big stuff and I maintain through experience and observation that men just dont do this.

I know I have to fix my own broken toilet seat , do without sex , spend Bank Holidays on my own etc but to me its worth it to have complete freedom of choice and a "clean" life.

I think this is because I do have DC , I have been in several relationships and a fairly long marriage and its like OK I have done all that time for something different.

In the shoes of people like OP I wonder if I would do things differently if I had my time again (am 47). Its that old thing of if I knew what I know now then ...

I hope you have some bits lined for the weekend blackbird

Latara · 28/06/2013 19:17

Well one of my patients offered to marry me today. Bless him he's 87.

Latara · 28/06/2013 19:19

(Obviously i turned him down so he asked the HCA stood next to me as well.... and the volunteer tea lady... and the domestic etc etc)

blackbirdatglanmore · 28/06/2013 20:07

Few things, thanks. Meeting a friend for lunch tomorrow then getting my hair done. No plans for Sunday, though.

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