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Is this an 'emotional affair' I'm having?

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ButtercupsAreFlowers · 05/06/2013 13:08

Am a regular (occasional) poster but have name-changed. Not brave enough for AIBU for this one, but have seen various discussions there about 'emotional affairs' - I think I get what this means, but it's not a phrase I'd much come across til recently.

So here's the situation: I have fallen in love with a friend. We are both married with DCs. It's not a new thing: am embarrassed to admit that I've been crazy about him for 2-3 years now, and he's in my head pretty much all the time. Not a passing thing, then.

We are not having an affair. We are friends. We meet up regularly (we don't run into each other in the normal course of things any more, via work or mutual friends - so we have to make the effort to see each other). We meet up for long lunches, occasionally for drinks in the evening. We email, text, etc from time to time - not all the time, goes in phases.

I don't have a clue how he feels about me. He seems to want to see me, to be in touch, to share thoughts on big stuff and small stuff. We kiss/hug hello/goodbye. There have been times when I've thought he was trying hard to find opportunities to meet up, or when in a crowd of people he seemed to be looking particularly at me. We know each other well - have exchanged a lot of thoughts/feelings on all kinds of things, but not about each other.

I am happily married to my DH - yes, really I am. He is happily married too, as far as I know. We've met each other's partners, but mostly we don't all get together. I think the situation is that if we had met when we were single, we'd have been interested in each other. It all seems entirely above board to me - we are the soul of propriety and there's nothing to hide - except what's in my head!

So tell me, MN: am I in la-la land? Is this an emotional affair, even though we're just friends and have never said how we feel? Is there any harm in this friendship continuing, or am I playing with fire in some way? Is it bonkers/irrelevant for me to wonder endlessly how he feels about me? I need some perspective here!

OP posts:
AnyFucker · 05/06/2013 15:44

< psst > Jess, did you miss the part where Op said she "wouldn't push him away" ?

ButtercupsAreFlowers · 05/06/2013 15:52

All opinions welcome and reflected on! I think experience shows that all kinds of people make bad decisions and have affairs. Not sure the world is easily divided between adulterous and non-adulterous types. But maybe I'm wrong. I'm trying to be honest about myself and my own shortcomings AF.

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ButtercupsAreFlowers · 05/06/2013 15:53

I was being brutally honest with myself, AF. Not saying it would be the right thing to do - clearly it wouldn't!

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AnyFucker · 05/06/2013 15:57

Where did I say the world was divided into adulterous and non adulterous types ?

I am shining a light on some of the rationalisations that you are already indulging in

We all have it within us to act out of character for a whole range of circumstancial justifications

but that is merely what they are ...justifications

I once surprised some people on here by saying that I don't trsut anybody 100%, and that includes myself

the trick is to analyse your own behaviour mercilessly, because you better believe someone else will do it for you if you carry on down this path

AnyFucker · 05/06/2013 15:59

cross posted

ok then..are you going to reduce your contact with this man, without the rather embarassing "big reveal" ?

ButtercupsAreFlowers · 05/06/2013 16:04

The 'big reveal' isn't on the agenda! I haven't decided what I'm going to do about our friendship, other than try to think less about him and more about DH.

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AnyFucker · 05/06/2013 16:10

Eliza how did you end up sharing your feelings with each other? (If you don't mind me asking.) Did you initiate it, and find that he felt the same way? What happened then? Sorry for all the questions - feel free to ignore or give broad-brush answers.

Why so interested ?

ButtercupsAreFlowers · 05/06/2013 16:19

Because Eliza's situation sounded similar to mine in some ways - that's what she said. And so I was curious about how it had ended. Vulgar curiosity.

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Windingdown · 05/06/2013 16:47

What do you like about this man OP?

Would any seemingly interested man who looks at you in a crowd do, or does it really have to be this lady's husband?

KatieScarlett2833 · 05/06/2013 16:51

AF is essentially asking you the same question your counsellor has, ie " why do you need to know how he feels"
Think about it.
Why do you need to know?
Why is your friendship not enough?
Is it purely an ego boost?
You don't want to leave your DH, so is it an affair you are hoping for?
Are you trying to excuse yourselves with the " if we met before...." implying its fate being a bastard?
All these sorts of questions because if you know what he feels then you have to decide what to do with this information. No good will come from the big reveal if you consider the options you have Hmm

AnyFucker · 05/06/2013 16:54

you think I am attacking you, OP, which is another rationalisation

ButtercupsAreFlowers · 05/06/2013 16:58

No, Windingdown, it's definitely him! We are friends, first and foremost - not even especially flirty friends. There's nothing going on anywhere but my head. (And his? Who knows.) I think if something 'more' were to present itself, it would have happened by now. I do think men and women can be friends - I have lots of male friends I'm not attracted to. Question is just whether it's a bad idea to be 'just friends' with someone I'm so attracted to.

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ButtercupsAreFlowers · 05/06/2013 16:59

I don't, AF!

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Windingdown · 05/06/2013 17:02

I do hope my point was only wasted on the OP.

Spree · 05/06/2013 17:03

Can I suggest that you would "think less of him and more of" your DH if you actually came clean and just told your DH.

Just because we are married doesn't mean we will never ever be attracted to anyone else.

However, by giving voice to what's going on in our heads, sometimes saying it aloud, we see it for what it is and it is not such a big thing.

By sharing with your DH that you feel vulnerable and attracted to this person, it allows both of you to do look at your marriage and see what is missing from it, and work on how things could be improved.

It also keeps you safe, by telling him, you are unlikely to act on your feelings, and more likely to cut contact out of respect for your DH (and he may well demand it of you too, as a means of keeping your marriage safe).

I read somewhere that marriage is like a marathon, a journey where there are ebbs and flows and it's during the low times that we need to remember our commitment to our marriage vows, even if commitment to our partner seems difficult.

EhricLovesTeamQhuay · 05/06/2013 17:05

You aren't just friends with him if you have feelings for him. That changes the game. You have another, stronger agenda than friendship. So does he. So it's an affair, yes.

meditrina · 05/06/2013 17:07

I get what AF is saying. When a post is from the betrayed partner, there is always a strong message from a number of posters pointing out that there is nothing wrong with the faithful partner, the fault lies with the flaws and weaknesses of the betrayer and their terrible decision to act on them, not work on the marriage. AF's message is the same as theirs, the only difference being that it is the person acting in a flawed way who is being addressed.

ButtercupsAreFlowers · 05/06/2013 17:50

Windingdown I'm sorry, I do get your point about him having a wife. Not being deliberately obtuse.

Spree, sharing with my DH that I fancy someone else - not appealing!

Meditrina, yes I get that and I expect I deserve it. I am being honest about how I feel and trying to work out whether it's a problem (everyone thinks it is) and what I should do about it (everyone thinks I should stop contact). And it's helpful to have that.

Am trying not to justify but any explanation or additional info sounds like I am! The 'if we'd met when we were single' comment I made earlier wasn't meant to mean 'it's fate!' but that's how we might both be feeling. (One of my stupid issues is trying to work out how he feels about me. I know I need to stop.)

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KatieScarlett2833 · 05/06/2013 17:54

If your friend was to come to you right now, sit you down and say how much he loves you, what would you say/do?
Honestly.

ButtercupsAreFlowers · 05/06/2013 17:58

Probably have a very tortured and intense conversation about how we can't act on it and how complicated life is.

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AnyFucker · 05/06/2013 18:06

God, what a cliche !

KatieScarlett2833 · 05/06/2013 18:10

Then what?
Cut contact?

Sparrowlegs248 · 05/06/2013 18:16

Would you say to your friend that your feelings for him.have crossed the line and as you are happily married you will have to cut contact with him?

ButtercupsAreFlowers · 05/06/2013 18:24

Too right, AF. I am a sad cliché of a middle-aged woman.

KatieScarlett, I honestly don't know. It's very hard to imagine it happening.

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AnyFucker · 05/06/2013 18:26

Love, you could be if you don't sort your act out Smile

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