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Marriage ended after 27 years. This is "My Death".

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mrsmciver · 12/05/2013 12:43

My husband left 4 weeks ago after I found some dubious e-mails to another woman he works with. I have posted about this on another thread, but still need the support from all you lovely ladies out there.
I asked him to go to his mum's after I went mad screaming and shouting and both of us crying. He went to his mum's, then round to my parents explaining himself and accepting all the blame.
I still let him in the house later that night and we both sat talking and crying about how we would get over this, then he collected some things and went back to his mothers.
I phoned him the next morning demanding the ow mob number but he would not give it to me as he said i would jeapardise his job if she went to his boss. We were both still crying and he asked what to get for his breakfast as his mum only has fried food and he likes to keep fit and eat well so he went to shop to buy that and washing powder for his clothes.
He also came up later that afternoon and we both talked some more. He said he had been very flattered by the attentions of this high powered business woman and had got carried away, swore there was nothing physical.
He told me he would give me her mob number once I had calmed down and to be careful what to say to her as it would cost him his job. he said he would give it to me the next morning whilst on the train as he was away for a few days on a business meeting.
Next morning he phoned and gave me her number, I put it in the drawer as after all the trauma I could not face calling her, was in no state to do so. later that evening after another sleepless night, he phoned sounding like his normal self, and I told him I had not contacted her, but he probably knew that as she would have phoned him if I had.
I then asked him when he was coming home and he said he wasn't. he said it was so out of character for him to do that and that the blinkers had been taken off his eyes and that he must have been very unhappy to have done it in the first place.
I got very upset, begged him to come home, but he won't. He is staying at his mum's. I ended up in hospital after trying to end it all. Can't imagine life without him. And now he wants to settle all our financial affairs and divorce. Am distraught. We have two daughters, one is sitting her Higher exams right now and the other is expecting a baby. They have been so wonderful, they are so strong, told me I am better without him. He had been treating me badly weeks before and I knew something was "off", that was why I had looked at his phone.
He has said he can't forgive me for looking at his phone and have now destroyed all trust. And that I would make his life hell as I would now be paranoid and forever questioning what he is doing.
He says he has no energy left, nothing to give, and that my health problems have drained him. I have anxiety and stress. But it is not as if he was a carer, I did most things for him! He doesn't know what he wants, but he knows he does not want "this.
I am devastated, cannot do this anymore. Have been a mess, shaking stuttering, he was over Frid night and said he is never coming back and that we will be divorcing.
How do I do this? How can I live without him? We have been married for 27 years, ever since we were 15 years old.
I always had a feeling I would die early, in my forties, and this is it, this is "my death", I will never get over this. It is getting worse.

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MumnGran · 01/06/2013 19:56

Owl makes a really good point Mrs M
Could you pop in to see Citizens Advice? this is just the sort of thing they are brilliant at sorting out for people, and you may well be entitled to more than you ever thought.
I know its not easy shifting into that position, but anything you can get at this stage is better than literally not knowing how to pay for the next meal.

English law is not much different on the financial side (it sucks that we can be just left in these situations) and is one of the reasons why Ske, Springy and I have all been suggesting going for divorce as quickly as you can, with a settlement, so that you stop having to depend on his handouts and can really sort your life out. I know it means you having to pay for it, but if you wait for him he could trundle on for ages .....because it costs him less.

Just as a thought ..... have you checked that he is still paying all the main bills? some of them just cancel those standing orders, and the first you know is an overdue account letter!
Also ....did you have any joint accounts? (maybe savings, rather than current). Usually they can't remove you from those without your signature. Just wondered if there might be some accessible funds there that you could dip into.
(actually given his behaviour, I would empty the account .... if there is one!)

3mum · 01/06/2013 19:59

Really suggest you try for second opinion from a different lawyer. In England once you have filed for divorce you can ask the court to award you maintenance whilst the divorce process in ongoing (a definite incentive to get on and file). Even if it is not exactly the same in Scotland there must be an equivalent. TBH your current lawyer sounds as if he could be a bit more proactive.

mrsmciver · 01/06/2013 20:08

Mumn, have done all that, citizens advice, women's aid. And the main bills? He has transferred all them over to my account and I have to pay them out of the money he gives me. He has opened up a separate account in his own name. ( He originally froze the joint current account), And he has set up a standing order for some money to be transferred over to my account every month and I have to pay the main billls out of that, but, it leaves me no money left over for anything. If anything breaks or we need clothes etc, I have no money for that.
I cannot believe my life is like this now.

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MumnGran · 01/06/2013 20:16

Wow Mrs M .... you have been far busier than you talked about (and absolutely no reason why you should be telling anyone anything you didn't want to Smile ) That will teach me to run my mouth so much!!

Part of me is pleased that you have been doing so much more than we thought .... because all that activity is positive, however shitty it is going through it,.
The biggest part is just so sorry for the lousy situation you are in, and that things are so tight. I lived that way for quite a while, and its tough.
Offering Wine and [hugs] .... because sadly, I don't have any other ideas on this one.

mrsmciver · 01/06/2013 20:24

No, I have not been that busy Mumn, This has been done over a period of time and with help from members of the family too. They have seen to a lot because I was a terrible mess. I have been taken places, at the start of exh leaving, and I couldn't tell you when or where I had been. The bank was awful, I had to keep going there as my signature didn't match up! It was because my handwriting was so shaky and I was in such a state. So honestly have not been that busy, I couldn't even speak on the phone the other day without getting hysterical with the child benefit people!

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TheOwlService · 01/06/2013 20:29

Do you have a Welfare Rights service in Scotland? They are pretty good at fighting your corner with DWP.

They are usually run by local councils. I did some temp work for them once in the Uni vacation. They really do try and help people. Here is the one in Leeds just for an example

www.leeds.gov.uk/residents/Pages/Welfare-Rights.aspx

badinage · 01/06/2013 20:30

You won't get spousal maintenance Mrs M, but as he's a high earner and you own property, you will get a settlement on divorce that reflects your time spent raising his children, the pension you haven't been able to pay into because of not working, a fair share of the marital assets and continuing child maintenance until your DD leaves education.

Please get some other legal advice.

The alternative is that you live in penury, dependent on this man forever. No woman has to do that - or should do that.

You need better advice - and fast.

springytate · 01/06/2013 20:40

yes, I wonder, too, if my intensive 'die' vibes brought it about further down the line Confused . You are not the only bitch on the planet Mumn

mrs , you are sounding fabulously glorious! How could you not hate with a profound hatred? Entirely appropriate in the circumstances imo.

The quicker you can get to a lawyer to at least start more appropriate payments from your vile ex, the better. Perhaps then you won't have to sell the family jewels! Family law lawyers usually offer the first half hour of a consultation for free, at which time they will assess your eligibility for a good settlement. It's surprising what you can get done in half an hour - lawyers work like the wind at such times (because they're not getting paid LOL).

Is your vile ex self-employed mrs ?

It looks like you have good access to his financial details - collect everything you can that gives an indication of his income and assets and present your findings to your lawyer.

mrsmciver · 01/06/2013 20:47

I have seen a couple of lawyers and they both say it is better if exh starts divorce proceedings as then I won't have to pay for it.
Now I am terrified! Your lawyers have given you different advice from mine.

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springytate · 01/06/2013 20:50

blimey, major x post there! You lot are quick! Grin

I second getting an advocate to liaise with DWP on your behalf. DWP are evil ime - you need someone to fight your corner who knows what they're doing and won't blow a gasket but will fight for you.

badinage · 01/06/2013 20:50

What are these lawyers advising you about what you'd get as a settlement on divorce?

springytate · 01/06/2013 20:54

And exactly what position will you be in while you wait for him to get on with it? TERRIBLE. He will muck about and muck about - he is calling all the shots here, you need to file so you can begin to get your settlement on track so you can live your own life without waiting for shitface. I truly can't understand why lawyers are feeding you to the lions like this Confused

As I said upthread, the expense of a divorce is an essential expense, worth its weight in gold. It buys you freedom, autonomy, power.

P-l-e-a-s-e tell me if he is self-employed!

mrsmciver · 01/06/2013 20:56

Hi Springy, Ooh Yes I know all about his financial assets, no, he is not self employed.
Do you know he cancelled the life insurance within 3 days of leaving? It is one that pays out on death, not a savings one. He could actually think like that - and I was a suicidal mess? Seriously something wrong with him to be thinking like that. This must have been on his mind a while before he left. He must have been thinking about this.

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TheOwlService · 01/06/2013 20:57

Dont make the same mistake as me.
My ExH started proceedings against me and I did nothing as I had no money and felt so rotten. When you are feeling very down they know you dont have the stomach for a fight and will just cave in and agree to stuff. Plus I had a job too so I was in a better position than you are. I know you probably dont want to hear it but you cant afford not to be economically independent within a marriage. You just never know what will happen.

Years down the line I know I should have taken the bull by the horns myself. I think I would have come out of it alot better financially and not struggled so much. Its hard, I know, to be brave and tough when you feel so awful. But you have to do it, for your own sake.

springytate · 01/06/2013 21:00

no, he is not self employed

HUGE sigh of relief then

my vile ex was s/e and managed to make all monies vanish into thin air.

Collect ALL evidence together re his financial assets, income etc. Leave no stone unturned. he is moving quickly so get in quickly before he shuts something else down and you have no access to it.

Don't tell him what you're doing. Pretend you're a spy Wink

mrsmciver · 01/06/2013 21:04

Owl, I always used to work, it was ill health that made me give up work, was not through choice. I trusted him such a lot too, never in a million years did I think he would do this to me. I have been very naive and stupid I know.
I have been very stupid and too trusting, I have been a fool.

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MumnGran · 01/06/2013 21:09

I filed very quickly!! he still managed to make a large chunk of assets disappear.
I have had a last laugh though, as he is unable to get them back into the country!!

badinage · 01/06/2013 21:11

It sounds a bit though that you're trusting the two lawyers too much too. Like all professionals, there are good and bad ones - and some don't specialise in divorce and family law. They are great at simple stuff like conveyancing, but you need a real specialist for this job.

Have they even given you any info on what you might achieve in settlement, or haven't you sat down with one yet with all the details you've amassed regarding his assets, pension, earnings, house value etc.?

MumnGran · 01/06/2013 21:15

also I am sure you can ask for the cost of divorce to be split 50/50/
It doesn't guarantee that it will happen (mine refused on the grounds that he didn't want the divorce anymore ......can you believe it!!) but its worth the shot.

mrsmciver · 01/06/2013 21:15

This one does specialise in family law, they are a very large company. And they seem to think if they can get the monthly allowance raised and he eventually files for divorce, then I will be better off in the long run.

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springytate · 01/06/2013 21:24

You will be in his power every month. Mine mucked about with the payments - back to lawyers - expense. He had me running around like a blue-arsed fly - the stress was unbelievable. And I was trying to bring up small kids Sad

Did you see male lawyers, or female? It shouldn't make a difference but it often does. Have you asked Womens Aid for a list of family law firms in your area who recognise and understand financial abuse?

mrsmciver · 01/06/2013 21:26

I cannot believe my marriage has come to this, I am exhausted, in pain, and the terror is overwhelming me, my future has gone. What on earth do I do now? I am getting stronger, but sometimes it all takes over and I feel like I could collapse with the grief of it all.
He has gone, he is never coming back, where do I go to now? The sorrow of it is too much.
Will need to get a grip.

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badinage · 01/06/2013 21:28

But surely you don't want to be so dependent on him Mrs M?

You're an adult woman. You shouldn't be dependent on a 'monthly allowance' from a bloke who's already trying to screw you financially.

It could be years before he gets around to divorcing you. If he ever does.

Please rethink this strategy. It really isn't in your best interests at all, emotionally or financially.

It won't harm you to get some alternative advice from another firm or two.

While you're waiting for those new appointments, you could also post on Legal here.

springytate · 01/06/2013 21:41

This will pass, mrs . Let it roll through, try not to take it seriously. It's saturday night, this can wait. Get through tonight and let tomorrow see to itself. I know that's easy to say, and when you're in a panic it seems so real. Keep an eye on your breathing - keep it deep and not shallow. This makes a huge difference - really.

Are you panicking because of the opposing legal advice? Please don't worry. It's like builders - one says one thing, another says another. You are the customer, the law isn't as unfathomable as it may appear, you can make your own choices about how you want things to pan out.

You can choose to go with the lawyers' advice - but it will mean you are at your husband's mercy and he will be calling all the shots. Perhaps you're feeling the pressure that you must act Right Now and it's freaking you out? You say you have a lot of people working with you - friends, family - perhaps get them to take over for you until you feel stronger?

Hold on sweetie xx

MumnGran · 01/06/2013 21:49

Mrs M, I realise we have all reacted quite strongly to the news about the financial situation, and that it may have made you feel a bit more wobbly.
We are here to support you, not dictate to you, and are totally on your side, We all understand that even supportive advice can feel overwhelming if it throws you off track a bit.
I hear that you feel confused and upset.

So ... I am going to take a slightly different tack and say that you should just take a deep breath and for the rest of the weekend try only to concentrate on what is a non-negative ( I am not saying good, or even OK, because none of it is either of those things ) because I think you need a bit of an emotional rest.

Read your dear sisters poem, have a few glasses of wine, and just let our input filter through your processing system, in the background.
Think about it all again on Monday, and I suspect that you will then have a firmer view of what you want to do next.
The mind is a funny thing.
Sometimes it needs a rest in order to find clarity.
x x x