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Support thread for those in emotionally abusive relationships...coming of age:21

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foolonthehill · 04/05/2013 11:49

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
a check list Use this site for some concise diagnostic lists and support
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
why financial abuse is domestic violenceAre you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
20 signs you're with a controlling and/or abusive partner Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans ? He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans - Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels - The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie - If you a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being Co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out ? You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.
heart to heart a wealth of information and personal experiences drawn together in one place

what couples therapy does for abusers

If you find that he really wants to change
should I stay or should I go bonus materials this is a site containing the material for men who want to change?please don?t give him the link?print out the content for him to work through.

The Bill of Rights
bill of rights here is what you should expect as a starting point for your treatment in a relationship, as you will of course be treating others!!

OP posts:
WinnieFosterTether · 11/05/2013 21:48

Silvery as long as it's not Liam Neeson - if it is then put him down. He's mine.

FairyFi · 11/05/2013 22:08
FairyFi · 11/05/2013 22:11

uhuh.... I got him first Winne - did you see him in Chloe?

This means very little Alice If you need her to take notice, then write a letter, setting out specifics of abuse against your DC/him. She will have to sit up and take notice, its her job to.

ponygirlcurtis · 11/05/2013 22:13

tether - your first assumption is sadly correct!

Colin - go girl! Loving the thought of you glammed up and fierce.

FairyFi · 11/05/2013 22:15

that sounded decidedly dismissive Alice having read it back... I mean, as in its all too common sadly, and isn't significant of anything in itself, just a sad lack of understanding and inability to actually see it. I hope it doesn't stop you tho, persist with her, or others that may be able to influence her, or will the DC say something to her to change her mind? xx

ponygirlcurtis · 11/05/2013 22:19

oops, x-posted. Alice, I like Fi's idea of writing to her - then it's officially documented, and if she doesn't respond then surely she's at risk of not doing her job properly. Or speak to SS unofficially? Could you phone them up for a chat, or your health visitor? Your HV will have more training and more experience in this area than your paed doctor, so might have more advice.

ponygirlcurtis · 11/05/2013 22:20

Oh, and thanks Fi Wink.

FairyFi · 11/05/2013 22:25

always welcome Pony

butterflymeadow · 11/05/2013 22:42

Alice, I second suggestion re contacting health visitor, I am dismayed at what she wrote. Professionally, I cannot imagine her response was correct. Strength to you.

ponygirlcurtis · 11/05/2013 22:44

Cheers! Wine

I don't think saucy Silvery needs any help in getting anything raised!!! Grin

butterflymeadow · 11/05/2013 22:45

She/her refers to your paed, sorry if not clear.

butterflymeadow · 11/05/2013 22:50

Cheers, all, by the way, only poking head round the door, off to bed. Wishing you all strength and good wishes and undisturbed sleep.
pony FW did not know how I coped either. It is such a cop out, that statement.

ponygirlcurtis · 11/05/2013 22:56

butterfly - it is, because it's not really meant. It's just another manipulation. It's just something he's saying on this occasion to soft-soap me and excuse him handing him back early. So I end up feeling like I'm doing well, coping better, and he gets to go out early with his girlfriend. It's still about him getting what he wants. AS I imagine it was when it was said to you.
Goodnight, hope you sleep well.

FairyFi · 11/05/2013 23:00

Grin Grin Pony I think they have it covered for sure! (suspects SaucySilvery can overhear us Blush ) Grin Grin

minkembra · 11/05/2013 23:31

I just wrote a big long post that has disappeared somewhere. Confused

anyway the thrust of it was yyyy to the telling me I was better at coping to get out havin to bother. bollox. or men just aren't deisgned for looking after kids. bollox. and also the he has kids before so knows more than me and certainly enough to tell me I am a rubbish parent and that 'his' kids are better behaved than mine. as if my kids aren't his!!!

bollox.

but it never occurs to them to even think they ,might be bad parents. they should get a medal just for trying at all. whereas we constantly doubt our parenting because we set ourselves high standards because we actually care about and think that good parenting is important. FW has no such doubts.

colin yay to being out.

yuck to Liam N though. probable FW.

and also watching coupling episode about exs you can't dump. 'unflushables'
bounty nini charlotte keep flushing Grin they will disappear eventually Wink

bountyicecream · 11/05/2013 23:57

Ladies I need help. Have had the Talk round 2. I cried. He cried. He was so reasonable it's made me wonder if he really is a fw at all. He basically said that it's totally up to me. When I said I'd rent somewhere he said fine. Get the house valued and he'd give me half. Noone else's fw have been that easy have they?

I said that I just can't live forever feeling fat and ugly. He said that I've always known that looks were important to him. I said I'm fairly similar to pre preg weight and he said my body shape has totally changed. Honestly I'm less than half a stone more if that.

He says I'm being unfair as before we married he did say that one of his big worries about having kids was getting fat. I pointed out that to me this meant going from size 10 to 18 not just getting cellulite.

His solution is to do a new diet together.

But he's been so quiet and accepting and fair about it all. I just don't know. And can't stop crying

TisILeclerc · 12/05/2013 00:02

I am totally glammed up! Had a couple of pimms whilst out so I'm feeling all summery now Smile

Off to bed now cos I'm vey tired Wink

BibiBlocksberg · 12/05/2013 00:08

Lovely shoes there Dorothy, errm I mean lemon :)

The thing with that photo album is (imo) that those moments in the photos were real, created mostly by your ingenuity and strength but nevertheless real (for your son as much as anyone) and that's something to be very proud of.

Your husband at the time was able to smile and look happy because of all of the efforts and sacrifices you made.

Photos are strange really, aren't they, click goes the shutter and a fragment of time is captured forever.

Rambling on here as ever (Wine may have been consumed)

Did I mention how much I like the new shoes?? :)

Piemother · 12/05/2013 01:08

Exh complained about my body changing post dc. I used to get b upset about it to which his response was 'how do you think I feel - my wife had a perfect body and now she doesn't....' He also nagged in a nasty way about getting back in to shape soon after a crash section but made it very difficult for me to get to the gym. He always managed to go though.,,,

TheSilveryPussycat · 12/05/2013 01:26

bounty so long and short is he want you to change your body and all will be well???

[Am 3 stone overweight, not all my teeth are mine :), my hair is au naturelle everywhere including my chin Blush the irishman dosn't care and I look happy Grin )

(wrote this earlier, but MN went away - however I had the presence of mind to capture it with Ctrl C)

I have many happy memories made during my marriage, some of them even with FW Confused (not that I am confused - now)

butterflymeadow · 12/05/2013 06:32

bounty, can I be outraged on your behalf? You bore beautiful dc with him, I was going to say for him, but I am sure you did it for both of you, and to have dc in your life. That has changed your body shape. Age would have changed your body shape. Age will change his body shape. This is not about your body, it is about control and demeaning and dehumanising you. If you are worried about diet, you have less energy, emotionally and physically, to call him on his behaviour. And you won't win this, because you have lost weight, it is not good enough, you can try all the diets in the world, they will not be good enough, because you are not the problem. Your body is not the problem, your diet is not the problem, he, and his attitude, and his desire to control you, is.

Food and eating are one of our basic needs. Control that and you control someone's status as an equal human being.

That said, well done you for the Talk round 2. But can you read back and see that he was not being reasonable at all in what he said about your weight and this undermines any other claim to reasonableness. Nonetheless, from my perspective, if he is offering you a way out, take it. Be prepared for the reasonableness to stop if you do, but you can cross that bridge when you come to it. He will be nice because he does not really think you will go. If the conversation ended with the fact that he thinks you should try a new diet, he will think he has resolved the problem by turning it back on you.

I actually had similar conversations with FW and it always got turned round to something I did or did not do, and I got sidetracked into defending that.

butterflymeadow · 12/05/2013 06:41

lemon, the thing is children have their own reality and their own understanding of things. Your dc will have experienced the dynamic of your household and will develop an understanding of it, even if trouble was well-hidden and you say nothing. The photos show the good times, but your dc will know the whole story. And if those photos construct a false facade, your dc will know that too. Speaking from personal experience of growing up now. But they need to form their own understanding and they will do that with or without the photos.

butterflymeadow · 12/05/2013 06:47

Okay, maybe not the whole story, but they will have their own full story, iyswim.

bounty hope i did not sound too harsh. It is hard and too unfortunately, it is a process, of ending, I mean. Your post made me realise how long that process went on and why. Huge hugs and courage to you.

pony, yep, if I could cope, he did not have to change anything. But even when I said, actually, I am not coping, he just told me what to do differently. He did help some more, but it was just enough for him to be able to keep the parameters of his life the same whilst claiming to be supportive. And it was done with bad grace and accompanied by requests for sex.

FairyFi · 12/05/2013 09:32

oh Sad FF FW fail.

he's definitely stil the same FW Bounty and prepared to be very upfront about it!! FW. Please don't think this initial phase will last, make sure he signs to these 'agreements' as soon as humanly possible! This will change. Very Sad at this upset for you hun. Can't believe that he thought it even open for discussion about looks being so important and thats ok. Shame for him he can't see he with a real woman and not some stupid fantasy dolly figure. Some men, I hear, adore real women. You will be free to enjoy yourself with one of those, when you feel ready

like the 'keep flushing' ... do that

FairyFi · 12/05/2013 09:35

x-posted - MN went away, was too tired and I fell asleep, but had presence of mind to Ctrl C