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Support thread for those in emotionally abusive relationships...coming of age:21

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foolonthehill · 04/05/2013 11:49

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
a check list Use this site for some concise diagnostic lists and support
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
why financial abuse is domestic violenceAre you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
20 signs you're with a controlling and/or abusive partner Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans ? He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans - Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels - The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie - If you a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being Co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out ? You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.
heart to heart a wealth of information and personal experiences drawn together in one place

what couples therapy does for abusers

If you find that he really wants to change
should I stay or should I go bonus materials this is a site containing the material for men who want to change?please don?t give him the link?print out the content for him to work through.

The Bill of Rights
bill of rights here is what you should expect as a starting point for your treatment in a relationship, as you will of course be treating others!!

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bountyicecream · 11/05/2013 09:13

I'm dreading today. He's still in the spare room. Not sure how to get through. And we're meant to be on hols next week. Maybe he and dd go together (uk hol) and I sort out a rental?

I'll pop on when I can today. I actually slept ok so feel slightly stronger.

bountyicecream · 11/05/2013 09:16

Charlotte - I want a divorce because I'm unhappy is probably the way to go

TisILeclerc · 11/05/2013 09:20

Oh bounty I don't know what to suggest Sad Stay safe and well lovely.

Colin how do you feel now? perhaps you needed further proof of his utter reasonableness? don't be cross with yourself, just learn from this. Smile have a Brew because today is a new day!

FairyFi · 11/05/2013 09:25

well thats what I was thinking Mink about maybe I should get checked... ha I didn't know about crazy chlamydia crawling Koalas! I can't think where any of those resides in the trees round here. and the towels/from own hands things, would mean either of us had it... and if we didn't, well, what happened.

Hey Pie... a little validation goes a long long way! I think that continual way of living with one becomes a 'groove' (pattern) that we get stuck in the bastards force us into and its very tough to shake off. There is a re-patterning programme out there, thats v good for challenging those and breaking them, to get back toyou!

Well he just proved to you what a controlling nasty bastard he is, don't they just Colin all the time! Don't worry, no harm done and in fact good from the sounds of your updated view of him Wink

ColinCaterpillar · 11/05/2013 09:27

tis yes I just feel like its a new day and I haven't done anything, it's just an impossible situation. I'm just flabbergasted that he's being nastier than ever considering he was the one that wanted to talk and has been a complete shit. Honestly, I think he's got a screw loose, sending messages that say 'you better not have done anything with anyone' when he has a new girlfriend already. I thought hoovering involved being nice; he just seems to want to keep hurting me and controlling me.

FairyFi · 11/05/2013 09:32

Hey Bounty only concentrate on what you want to do, right now, you're the one that has to get through this. The more together and on top of it you are the better DD will travel with you. This is all about you now hun. Just do what you need to to get thro. Any chance you and DD can have the holiday and tell him to FOTTFSOFATFOSM? Pleased for you that you managed to get some good sleep in.

Today is a new day Tis and lives are be different now.

... and I x-posted [again] Blush big love to all xxx

TisILeclerc · 11/05/2013 09:34

So use that hurt colin. use it to fuel your anger at and power over the situation. he is a fw, we cannot be surprised at his fwittery. it would be more surprising if he was lovely, no? and so what that he doesn't quite follow the pattern of hoovering - it lessens his fwittery not a jot! take care lovely girl.

FairyFi · 11/05/2013 09:57

Hey Colin I don't think he wanted to 'talk', he only wanted to 'tell' you [that he is master and in charge and reinforce you are nothing and at his command the position hasn't changed-cos he was worried there for a moment that it actually had]

his words speak of getting back control only, especially to have finished up with 'i don't want to see you' (similar).

NiniLegsInTheAir · 11/05/2013 10:27

Quick post. Hes lurking. Laptop broken so am using my phone. Terrible night. Cat woke him at 5 so he pushed her off the bed and yelled at me. Its gone downhill from there. Give me strength today. Catch up later. [Wine]

ColinCaterpillar · 11/05/2013 10:28

I think you're right fi. Ah well. Off out with a friend for the day for lunch and retail therapy. Love to all xx

FairyFi · 11/05/2013 10:32

heart going out to you Nini hun... what a FW, how horrible for you.. can you be away from him today and get your and your centre back?

Wine by the Vat darling xx

FairyFi · 11/05/2013 10:33

have a great day out Colin and Forget the FW yay!

TisILeclerc · 11/05/2013 10:46

(((hugs))) for nini Sad

FairyFi · 11/05/2013 10:48

(((hugs)))) to Tis for your unspoken struggles, and strength for those.

minkembra · 11/05/2013 10:58

Colin he did stay true to form in that he did get in touch and also that he us still a FW. He won't change.

He wasn't nice to you because you didn't answer straight away. how really dare you!?!

and it is all designed to confuse and destabilize you. he is probably threatening current gf with how much better you are than her and how you would take him back.on a flash. or if he isn't he soon will be.

the reality is both of you deserve better.

sometimes it us a we with it exercise to realise that the idea of him in your head is much nicer anxious much less completely batshit irrational off his rocker controlling FW than the reality. FW true colours = nasty.

minkembra · 11/05/2013 11:01

sometimes it is a worthwhile exercise ...

ponygirlcurtis · 11/05/2013 13:24

Saturday again. How'd that happen?

bounty - you've made the first step, you've let him know you are unhappy. That took a lot of guts, I know. Now, after seeing how he reacted, it's time to regroup yourself and think about the next step. What will it be?

Piemother - I am nearly a year out, and I am in the same situation. All my waking thoughts - in the shower, doing the school run, lying in bed - get consumed with thoughts of FW and the things he did, and why did I put up with them, and imagining if I'd done things differently, etc. I don't know what the answer is. I'm trying to focus on something different at the moment (losing weight), it's kind of helping but still not stopping me thinking about it all.

butterfly my internal voice used to yell that too, sometimes I would whisper it to myself, but I couldn't say it to his face.

Oh Colin, I'm so sorry to hear that. I know it's hard, but it just confirms how abusive he is, and how he was doing exactly what you thought, just fishing to get your attention and reel you back in. My theory is he was nasty to you like before because it always used to work before, so why not now. The fact that he's trying to get you to meet him again suggests that all is not well in NW-land. Delete his number, or change it to something appropriate to remind you why not to get back into this.

Nini - sending you strength, and Wine.

TisILeclerc · 11/05/2013 13:56

My sanctuary is coming together nicely. The feature wall is now complete! I just have the other three to do...

In other news, whilst I am away in half term, my lovely dad is coming up with a tradesman friend to put a new shower tray and cubicle into my en suite. Mine has been out of action for nearly 2 years so I will be delighted to get it back! It will mean however that I will need to decide on a new home for a certain lodger... Wink

I'm hoping it stops raining soon. I was planning to wear suede shoes out later but I'm certainly not going to expose them to the torrents of water currently swishing around our pavements. And my frock won't look half as good with my gardening crocs Grin

Here's hoping that today is not too painful for anyone. A pointless wish in some cases I know, but thinking of you all (((hugs)))

FairyFi · 11/05/2013 14:15

I think tis time Tis Wink its very much time he symbolically moved on right? Location location location, where next?

ponygirlcurtis · 11/05/2013 14:23

Oooooo, can we make suggestions? Shot into space on a rocket? Buried in the woods? Sleeping with da fishes? Grin

FairyFi · 11/05/2013 14:37

thrown in the nearest sewage processing plant?

FairyFi · 11/05/2013 14:37

bloodied head of same left on pillow next to sleeping FW......

TisILeclerc · 11/05/2013 14:49

Grin Grin Grin

ponygirlcurtis · 11/05/2013 15:07

I have read a lot of Carl Hiaasen crime/comedy thriller books, and in them, the bad guy always gets his comeuppance in a satisfyingly appropriate way. (His website describes it as them getting it in a 'mordantly ingenious, diabolically entertaining fashion'. Grin) Like the animal rustler (with a penchant for animal cruelty) who gets romanced to death by a randy dolphin. I was thinking of something along these lines. Perhaps you have a neighborhood terrier who annoyingly humps the legs of all who pass (while biting out their crotches)?

ponygirlcurtis · 11/05/2013 16:01

Interesting.

FW has just dropped off DS2 early, because he's been poorly (although said he'd been going to drop him early anyway - he's now dropped him off even earlier). We talked a bit about how DS2 was - not eating, waking multiple times in the night, not wanting to be put down and howling you try. FW said several times 'don't know how you do it', ie he couldn't cope with all the crying, with being up so often in the night. And I know he couldn't. Hence one of the reasons why I'm reluctant for him to have overnights. His way of dealing with 5yo DS1 waking up at night because of nightmares was to shout at him for waking him up. His way of dealing with DS2 crying as a baby was to get stressed and a bit aggressive until I took him back.

He said to DS2 as he handed him back 'Daddy knows his limits, doesn't he. Daddy's rubbish.'

In some ways, I'm glad to have DS2 back early, because I feel happier having him safe and with me. But I can also see that FW is setting himself up as a Disney Dad. He's perfectly capable of dealing sensitively with poorly DS2, in the same way as he's perfectly capable of being nice and loving to me. He just chooses not to be the majority of the time. Hmm