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Subtle EA? Or is it just me? Confused, please help

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WearingFuckMeSocks · 18/04/2013 12:04

I sincerely apologise in advance for the length of this post, feel free to skim bits if it makes it easier.

I have lurked here for sometime, have stumbled across the support thread for those in emotionally abusive relationships, have never thought of DH as abusive as he?s never hit me but I?ve been unhappy for a while and couldn't understand why, he?s not overtly abusive, doesn't call me names or put me down in any obvious way, but over the 15 years we?ve been together has done some pretty shitty things. (We?ve been together 15 years, married for 10 and have ds age 7 and dd age 5)

only months after we got together I discovered I was pregnant, I hoped to sit down & discuss it like adults with him; he burst into tears, wailed, sobbed, put his head in his hands and begged me to have an abortion. I would have done anyway but didn't feel like I had a choice. The very fact that I was considering keeping it seemed to offend him.

He once burned the book i was reading on our BBQ (when drunk) because it was called ?The Satanist? and as a Catholic it offended him, esp as his mum had cancer.

once during a heated argument he got so angry he punched the wall right next to my head so hard it left the imprint of his four knuckles in the plaster; he said that was ok, he was so angry he really wanted to punch me but punched the wall instead.

2-3 years ago he decided to get fit so was having sessions with a PT, he badgered me into going too, even though I wasn't keen; after 6 months when i?d lost 1 1/2 stone, and gone from a size 16 to a 12 (im 6ft) he told me one night as i was getting into bed that ?he didn?t fancy me anymore, my tits were all saggy and I?d ruined my body and he wanted me to have a boob job"

last year bought me some eye-wateringly expensive underwear, and despite me saying repeatedly that it didn't fit has proceeded to buy me another 4 sets of same size stuff. Gets upset when I tell him it doesn't fit (again) and says he is only doing it to spice things up and put the spark back.

once remotley wiped my iphone after an argument, and during same argument threatened to sell the car

demanded/coerced me into sex when I had recurring thrush (every month, over a period of four years), despite me telling him repeatedly how much it burned.

no help with kids - has never bathed kids, could count on fingers of one hand how many times he?s put them to bed, says he cant read bedtime stories because he?s dyslexic but manages to spend 2-3 hours on his ipad every night. I thought that was normal until an exchange student we had staying with us for the summer last year commented on how he did nothing with the kids and I did everything.

went on holiday last year, DS took the class ?holiday bear? & was soooo excited, DH said we couldn?t take bear on days out in case it got lost. I was too scared to say the bear could go in the back pack, DS was visibly crushed & in tears, i felt I had failed DS because i didn't stand up to DH.

a couple of years back he tried to persuade me to have my navel pierced, i said no, then during an argument said he just wanted a sign that I loved him, like - guess what - having my navel pierced. to my eternal shame i did it, hated it but thank god it rejected so i took it out.

says he wants me to wear sexy clothes so that when we go out he can show me off and other blokes will be jealous. i don?t really want to anyones trophy.

he wants me to be completely hairless between my legs, i?ve tried it a couple of times but frankly don't like it, thinks its degrading, don?t think im setting a good example to my dd (or ds for that matter, what will he think when sees a real bush?), (and god does it itch when it grows back in) he says I should do it for him to please him.

Says i should do things to please him even if i don't like doing it, as he would do the same for me. i have tried to explain to him that i don't understand how he can get pleasure from me doing something I clearly don't want to do, and that i wouldn't even ask him to do something that he was unhappy with, but he doesn't get it.

A few weeks ago DS was unhappy at school & with homework, after a discussion with the head teacher I was browsing the web looking at home schooling (something I considered before DS started school, not something I?d rush into but it?s always an option) he caught me looking at HE websites, didn't think to ask my opnion about it, just went straight into a tirade about how he disagreed and he was really upset that I was even thinking about it.

basically every argument turns into how he feels about it and how upset I have made him feel and how i need to change my behavior so that he doesn?t get upset and that he?s only happy when I?m happy.

I?ve stuck it this long because of what we?ve been through with his parents, his mum had cancer for years, with all the entailing chemo, radiotherapy etc, then 3 weeks after she died we found out his Dad had cancer, he died 6 months later (Feb 2009). For a long time I?ve made excuses for DH?s behavior because his parents were ill and then obv he was grieving.

Last year things seemed finally to be good, we had about 6 months where I thought we were finally coming out of the woods, but the last 6 months have been hell. We argue every week, he says its because I don't talk to him. I?ve tried to explain I feel afraid to talk to him because he raises his voice, interrupts me, and doesn't listen. He says its all down to me, only I can change it and I?m not normal.

I could go on but think even i'd lose the will to live reading it all.

In short (and thanks if you?ve stuck with me this far) is any of the above normal? would you have put up with this thus far? Am I over-reacting? And what are the chances of things ever being better? should I just cut my losses now and run?

I?ve just turned 40, have taken a long hard look at the last 15 years and don't want the next 15 to be the same.

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garlicyoni · 27/04/2013 17:51

All good :) Well, as good as may be hoped under the circs! Isn't it galling to see a fuckwit demonstrating the nice, thoughtful husband and father he could have been all along? Could have been if he wasn't such a fuckwit, that is.

ScarletWomanoftheVillage · 27/04/2013 18:21

Bingo! (FW) Grin

WearingFuckMeSocks · 27/04/2013 18:24

Ah, the inheritance is his parents flat; when they died he bought his siblings' share & rented it out. he recently sold it & paid the money off our mortgage. Apparently he should be allowed to keep that because it was his parents money so now it's his, not ours, and I'll be getting an inheritance when my mum dies Shock

And now he's reading kids a bedtime story! Grrrrrrrrr!

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cjel · 27/04/2013 18:30

Amazing one minute 'love you to bits I can change' and the nexr 'My money your not getting any?' Its so boring to hear isn't it.xx

JennyMackers · 27/04/2013 19:15

//Hard hat on wearing., or rather sick bag on your lap I think.

Tonight Matthew I'm going to be SuperDad, but I want a bloody medal for it.

Love the telliing comment "is this what you did your ex?' you're not entitled to end a relationship, ending a relationship is selfish, cold-hearted, wrong, misguided, cruel ..............not your decision?! Confused ???? Not, something that sometimes, often in fact, happens!

And just to be super charming he calls you a gold digger!? His devastation at losing you is not so extreme that the tally sheet isn't buzzing with money iin and money out thoughts. And he feels hard done by of course !

PoppyField · 27/04/2013 19:16

Wearing, I like your style. And your stock phrases are brill. He's still awful. I get the shivers reading your OP. Keep on going.

N.B. It may well turn out a good thing that he tipped that money into your jointly-owned house (me, cynical?).

Fluffymonster · 27/04/2013 19:38

Would it be worth getting a bank statement to show what is in the joint account now, in case he starts emptying it?

General question - once the other party realises that you're leaving, what's to stop them from basically clearing all the funds out?

Agree with jenny about the implied message that you can't possibly have the right to end the relationship. Let the feet-stamping begin!

Though that will mean letting the Super-Dad facade slip - which won't be that far off as he's probably far too self-absorbed to really want to look after them for extended periods.

WearingFuckMeSocks · 27/04/2013 20:36

Jenny - I think a hard hat and a sick bag are in order. And you're so right in your earlier post about having the insight while I'm actually going through this, it is a godsend. I would probably have cracked by now and given him just one more chance.

Fluffy - the box of goodies I packed while he was away has bank statements taken just last week, both personal, business & kids bank accounts. And it's at my mums house, nice & safe Grin

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JennyMackers · 27/04/2013 20:40

Yeh, I fell for the act. I left. I actually fucking left !! and then went back. (argh, so ashamed). He bought me a chomp and a dandelion and I wrote a list of changes that would have to be made... and for about three weeks, maybe he was changed. But then later he refered to my "tin pot parade" - when I left him. OMG. I only came back to him out of guilt. Leaving and staying gone was what I really wanted, but months later he refered to that as a tin pot parade.

EllaFitzgerald · 27/04/2013 21:03

The kitchen doors and the food shopping is for his benefit too. And yes, he might have applied for the tickets, but it's no good doing one nice thing when everything else he does is awful. Don't let it sway you, stay strong.

EllaFitzgerald · 27/04/2013 21:06

Am such a twit! I got to the end of the first page and completely didn't notice the remaining ten pages. Blush

LilyAmaryllis · 27/04/2013 21:43

arghh try not to get too wound up by the inheritance thing. (Petty?!) That one truly will be in the hands of the solicitors so you don't have to fight it face to face.

Sending you really best wishes, feeling for you as you have to stay strong and calm. It must be very hard to be in the house with him.

JennyMackers · 29/04/2013 11:37

Just wanted to say 'bon courage' for the week ahead.

WearingFuckMeSocks · 29/04/2013 13:40

Thanks Jenny, much appreciated Smile

Things have just been ticking over, no major dramas to report.

H still trying to be Superdad, built a lego ship with ds last night, read both dc bedtime story and actually sat in the bathroom with ds while he had a bath. He has never, ever, EVER done that in the whole almost 8 years of ds life.

and he's still trying to be nice to me, let me show you i can change, why wont you give it a try etc etc. thought he was going to be a twunt over the business premises (its in my name, not joint, and we're 6 months in to a 3 years lease - complicated) but then this morning he's been surprisingly calm and practical, sorting things out seeing solicitors etc.

he still says he wants 50/50 custody, but according to my solicitor friend that's falling out of favour and now normal practise is one parent has custody, so the kids have one home, and the other parent has access. still don't understand why he wants 50/50 custody of 2 kids he hasn't arsed himself with all their lives, other than a) to be spiteful, b) to try and convince me he's going to a better dad so i relent and welcome him back with open arms. or both

have appointment with local WA lady this week, and calling in to CAB this afternoon for some general advice, so things moving along.

Oh, and it's killing him not knowing what i spoke to the doctors about last week Grin, (which was his shitty, abusive behaviour, which obviously i'm not going to tell him that). he keeps saying there's something not right, there's something your not telling me, i'm really worried about you. ha ha ha!! i think he may be finding the power shift somewhat uncomfortable

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cjel · 29/04/2013 13:48

Love the idea of power shift, they really don't like it do they? mine got his ow after i started to get a life (only college and hobbies not om) and my daughter told me that he wouldn't like me going to college as he'd think I was going to grow away from him and leave him!! I think it was him raising the bullying steak - if you don't go back to how you were see what I can do!!
Glad you are keeping things moving forward and have no major dramas. Enjoy the control you are gaining over your life!!

WearingFuckMeSocks · 29/04/2013 17:06

Oh silly, silly me.

I've just had a thought about why he is pushing for 50/50 custody. (Apart from it being another example of him trying to force his wants onto me) Maybe he thinks that if he has some control over the children then he'll still have some control over me?

Or is that just me being too cynical?

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HansieMom · 29/04/2013 17:32

I think he thinks with 50/50 he will not have to pay any maintenance.

wordyBird · 29/04/2013 17:51

No, not cynical - you're spot on, Wearing.

They always want custody, because it's a way to control the partner through access to the children. Continued aggression, attempts to reclaim territory, using children to spy on mummy and report back to daddy, whatever you can think of - it's rarely about the children, usually about continuing control and intimidation in some form. Because men like this do next to nothing for their kids, so why would they want custody...they couldn't cope with it!

  • oh I see you have another line for FW bingo there - I'm worried about you
JennyMackers · 29/04/2013 18:46

iF HE says 'look how perfect i'm being why won't you give me a chance etc" you could say that now that you see he is capable of being half decent but chose not be for 15 years, it makes you even more certain it's over. He can be a good dad (sort of, to order, with a gun to his head). He can ACT half decent (although comments like 'is this what you 'did' to your x? spill out).

I agree with custody! they ALWAYS try it. If he got fifty fifty custody, he'd be busy his half of the week and yet you'd get only half the CA and no maintenance! oh he's such a devious article, and he thinks he deserves another chance!?

JennyMackers · 29/04/2013 18:47

Sorry, I mean, I agree with wordybird.

WearingFuckMeSocks · 29/04/2013 19:17

H has a new proposition.

He has suggested that he buys me out of my half of the house if he can get a mortgage.

Given that I don't trust him as far as I could throw him (and given that he's 19 stone that really isn't very far at all) I'm now racking my brains as to how this is in some way doing me over. Is he hoping that if he keeps the nice big house the kids will choose to live with him instead? Is he hoping that him being in the big house and me being a small house/flat will somehow give him some sort of status over me? And am I now just becoming really paranoid? Confused

And what's more annoying is he is being, on the surface, very calm and reasonable. It's really disturbing me because it is so out of character Hmm

And the bloody CAB was shut when I got there this afternoon, don't see solicitor til tomorrow and WA woman not til Thursday.

Aaaaaaaaaaaggggggghhhhh!

Think I will spend the evening drafting a financial/parental agreement type thingy as a starting point for discussion.

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WearingFuckMeSocks · 29/04/2013 19:27

Oh now I'm really pissed off

H just returned with ds from Beavers, " ds has something to say about our house, haven't you?" smirks H

" yes mummy, I said we wouldn't give our house away to anyone would we mummy? Not for anything, and we' ll never move away from here will we mummy"

What. A. Bastard.

Does anyone have a punchbag I can borrow? I feel a sudden and uncharacteristic urge to hit something Angry

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TheSilveryPussycat · 29/04/2013 19:31

Do not engage with him in discussion re settlement etc, instead talk to sol, and think hard about it. If pressed just say "I'm thinking about it". I know it's hard to wait till tomorrow, but stay strong there. Above all, focus on what you want, for you and DC.

TheSilveryPussycat · 29/04/2013 19:31

x-post. What a cunt

wordyBird · 29/04/2013 19:37

Don't let him unnerve you with his bright ideas and propositions.

He is trying to take control, and in the process push you off balance -which is inherent in his nature really. And now he's using the children to do it (see earlier posts :( )

How about another mantra: Thank you. I will discuss that with the solicitor.

To DS, what about thank you darling, but houses are for mummies and daddies to discuss, so don't you worry about it. or whatever works for you.