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support thread for those in emotionally abusive relationships: 20

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foolonthehill · 14/04/2013 17:02

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
a check list Use this site for some concise diagnostic lists and support
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
why financial abuse is domestic violenceAre you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
20 signs you're with a controlling and/or abusive partner Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans ? He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans - Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels - The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie - If you a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being Co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out ? You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.
heart to heart a wealth of information and personal experiences drawn together in one place

what couples therapy does for abusers

If you find that he really wants to change
should I stay or should I go bonus materials this is a site containing the material for men who want to change?please don?t give him the link?print out the content for him to work through.

The Bill of Rights
bill of rights here is what you should expect as a starting point for your treatment in a relationship, as you will of course be treating others!!

OP posts:
LemonDrizzled · 23/04/2013 10:11

Morning all! It's lovely here...
The link on Angry attachment reminded me of This book on Men who Hate Women which explained a lot of my FW's conflict having an abusive DF and a narc DM. Poor sod! He is amazingly normal when you consider his childhood.
I'm off out to plant some seeds Smile

betterthanever · 23/04/2013 10:49

The reviews of the book make it sounds very interesting.

LemonDrizzled · 23/04/2013 11:29

Seeds in and watered, now having coffee and cake. I love my day off!

better I find each of these books has a theme and illustrations that shed a ray of light on my situation while not quite fitting. Nobody ever fits a theory exactly, as you would expect.
So with a pinch of Lundy, a spoonful of Susan Forward, and a sprinkling of John Gottman you get to an understanding of the dynamics of your relationship and why it doesn't work. At least with mine which was as twisted and complicated as can be.

Now that is all the headspace I am giving past misery. The Power of Now says live in the moment, so I'm off back into the garden to weed the flowerbed while it is sunny x

ColinCaterpillar · 23/04/2013 11:46

Well Fi, I haven't got in touch since last night. This is quite good going for me. Pathetic as it sounds. I'm really going to try and keep going with it. This feels like it's the worst thing he's ever done to be honest, just dropping me like he has. Worse than the infidelity, worse than taking money, worse than insulting my appearance...The gaslighting and the abandonment. I miss him like mad but I cannot forgive this.

Better, yes he is making me feel like the abusive one. Works out well for him. To my shame, I have lashed out at him. He has very specific examples. He would never acknowledge that he has verbally abused me consistently. But two wrongs don't make a right and I digress. We are no good for each other. Like you, I need to retain my cool. The very difficult thing has been retaining my cool and I get accused of being passive aggressive.

I'm actually really struggling right now. I want to go and stakeout his house to see who comes out. I want to text. You'd never believe the kind of person I was before this, and who I am away from this. I'm going slightly mad.

Going to have to go for a walk shortly.

TheSilveryPussycat · 23/04/2013 11:46

Lemon you are right :) But sometimes something comes along which means you have to do a bit more processing (I'm speaking for myself here)

Like getting my notes. And reading about people's stuff on here. It's been a v insightful weekend for me, but hope it doesn't come across that I'm obsessed, cos I ain't :)

The garden is a mess, but so is the house - and an old friend is coming to stay tomorrow and I need to focus on the house - clean bed linen in particular!

TheSilveryPussycat · 23/04/2013 11:50

OTOH you are obsessed Colin. I so understand that. Walking is good, so is writing - either stream of consciousness, or what you would write if you wrote a letter to him - which of course you Must Not Send.

CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 23/04/2013 11:52

That was the surprising thing about the holiday - I realised I did still love him. I'd been Ice Queen the previous year: couldn't wait to get away from him and start living life in freedom, but all it took was a bit of kindness and for him to seem to find me attractive. Now THAT's the thing I really can't get my head around, but I'm trying not to overthink it, because at the moment it's lovely.

I started the FP last week, which was all stuff I've read about last week, but I'm hoping it'll still be useful. I've been in this destructive relationship for so long, I'm hopeless at spotting unreasonable behaviour in relationships, so hopefully it'll help me with that.

ColinCaterpillar · 23/04/2013 11:52

I really am obsessed Sad

I am properly going through withdrawal. Can't wait for it to pass.

CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 23/04/2013 11:54

You're not going to walk past his house, are you, Colin?

ColinCaterpillar · 23/04/2013 11:55

No, I'm too scared Charlotte

FairyFi · 23/04/2013 12:24

tis the only way Colin it seems. the longer you can stay away (including ignoring texts/emails requests for information, agreements/discussions/pleadings/begging/crying....

Cold turkey is the only painful way to ditch these blasted addictions!

betterthanever · 23/04/2013 13:50

Keep strong colin she says quivering

ColinCaterpillar · 23/04/2013 14:32

I'm trying very hard - concentrating on work for the first time today. Feels good. Unfortunately, this isn't going down well either. After being told off for texting too much yesterday and not to text again, my attempt not to has been met with a 'why aren't you texting?' barrage which I'm currently ignoring

TheSilveryPussycat · 23/04/2013 14:35

The boot is on the other foot now, eh? Keep up the good work ie focus on your work, and note with detached interest the way his texts are worded.

FairyFi · 23/04/2013 14:37

Wink hmm .. thats the way..x

ponygirlcurtis · 23/04/2013 15:11

Colin - sorry, but that did make me laugh! The idea that you are actually not texting him, actually have the audacity to do what he told you, and he's mad about it! Just shows you how what he's saying to you is all designed to twist and manipulate you into how he wants things to be. Which is you texting, begging for him back, so you can be responsible for all the bad in his life and therefore need to be at his back and call to make it up to him!

Charlotte- glad you are enjoying some nice attention, but also glad you are starting the FP. I still have many conflicting feelings for FW, and in truth I could find myself swaying if he started a 'be lovely and loving towards pony' campaign. It takes me back to what I was saying yesterday about wanting the fantasy. Just keep your eyes and ears open, my lovely, while enjoying the new niceness!

ColinCaterpillar · 23/04/2013 15:26

I know pony you couldn't make him up. There's no wonder I'm confused all the time.

Dillie · 23/04/2013 16:02

Keep strong Colin

My fw would also tell me off for texting too much, and then when I did as I was told, I got told off for giving him the cold shoulder! Honestly it feels like you are constantly chasing your tail!

Things here have been interesting to say the least.

I told him I was moving out over bank holiday and initially he took it OK. However the following night after I got back from my best friend for a cuppa and chat, he properly started having a go.

It got quiet sinister at one point as he threatened me with his bil coming around to "chat" to me and sort it all out. He also said so who is your boyfriend then and when is he moving in? When I told him there is no one, he said so you are a lesbian then? And I bet its your best friend too!!

After laughing at him (to cover my nerves that were shaking to my core) I told him there was no girl either!

He can't quiet get to grips that this is my decision, I have no one in the wings and no one is making me leave him!

As it happened bil did not visit so I worried myself sick over nothing! Angry

Anyway, we told dd. Fw surprised me by actually being OK and not the ass he said he would. She took it really well. Don't think it was a huge shock tbh. I sold her on a princess bed and a pink bedroom! Really should give her more credit. She is not daft!

So starting packing. I haven't that much, its all dd's stuff!!

I am feeling ok about it all now. The hypnotherapy and counseling I have been having over the weeks is starting to take effect.

I highly recommend it! I think I would be giving my marriage yet another go and not have the strength to do what I need without.

TheSilveryPussycat · 23/04/2013 16:45

Brilliant :) - you will be two Princesses together, Dillie.

ColinCaterpillar · 23/04/2013 16:51

Thanks Dillie - tail chasing exactly what it is.

Am reading everything on the links and making a shitlist. It's my homework for the night.

FairyFi · 23/04/2013 17:54

re: the can't do right for doing wrong, vis-a-vis texting! Crazy making.

Dillie brilliant news! Especially that your DD has taken it so in her stride (and hes showing only fairly mild FWittery). Speeding you on your way with the packing and dday. xxx

MatchsticksForMyEyes · 23/04/2013 19:12

My FW's idea to drive me crazy was. To rant about the heating. If I'd turned it off the house was freezing, if it was on he was "sweating to death" and bleating about the bills.

Had an email from my solicitor. She's heard back from court and I can fill in the paperwork to apply for the Decree Nisi on Friday. That makes me feel very sad, although the rational side of me knows why. I'm getting the good side of him mostly now as I walked away from the exhausting, unreasonable side. It is good for the dc that we aren't at each other's throats. There is still FWery every now and then involving them though.

TheSilveryPussycat · 23/04/2013 19:33

For any Archers listeners , it seems Paul is revealing his true colours as a controlling FW.

Matchsticks I am sorry you are feeling sad, rather different from how I felt when applying for nisi. Is the practical side sorted?

MatchsticksForMyEyes · 23/04/2013 19:37

Yeah, draft consent order will be ready for me to check soon. I know it's the right thing to do and I am infinitely happier now, but still.
It will be nice to start looking at places to buy once I have the Absolute and try and look to the future.
With my counsellor we established that I seem to be terrified by the thought of having a relationship. I was like that even before FW. Who knows what that's about.

CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 23/04/2013 20:22

Someone asked if my FW (force of habit :o) could go on an abuser programme, which reminded me I wanted to tell you this:

He says he rang Respect (on my suggestion, just after the split) and told them I'd said he was abusive and he didn't understand that, so wanted their perspective.

Their reply, according to him, was to ask if he'd ever been arrested; if the police had ever been called to the house; if he had ever hit me; questions like that. Confused Does that sound likely? It was so unexpected it really destabilised me - this was just as we were leaving on holiday he told me this, and I so wanted to talk to you all about it, as it left me wondering yet again if it really was EA!

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