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support thread for those in emotionally abusive relationships: 20

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foolonthehill · 14/04/2013 17:02

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
a check list Use this site for some concise diagnostic lists and support
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
why financial abuse is domestic violenceAre you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
20 signs you're with a controlling and/or abusive partner Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans ? He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans - Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels - The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie - If you a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being Co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out ? You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.
heart to heart a wealth of information and personal experiences drawn together in one place

what couples therapy does for abusers

If you find that he really wants to change
should I stay or should I go bonus materials this is a site containing the material for men who want to change?please don?t give him the link?print out the content for him to work through.

The Bill of Rights
bill of rights here is what you should expect as a starting point for your treatment in a relationship, as you will of course be treating others!!

OP posts:
butterflymeadow · 20/04/2013 23:28

Okay, that's me out. Never watched Dr Who, no idea who these people are and I am never, ever snogging again. They are all yours.
Night all.

LemonDrizzled · 20/04/2013 23:36

Sorry Fly! Didnt mean to become a pub bore Smile

Sleep well.

BreatheandFlyAway · 20/04/2013 23:36

butter Grin I wish you sweet dreams, NOT filled with snoggin DWs Grin Nighty night xx

butterflymeadow · 20/04/2013 23:38

Not filled with snogging anyone! No worries lemon it was a comment on my lack of knowledge re DW and any famous people really

minkembra · 20/04/2013 23:38

pony not that kind of smoking. cigarettes are not my thing. but ex used to 'give up' smoking at least 3 times a year. cue wailing and gnashing of teeth.

breath Shock it did not maybe test she did not understand as it was you he was getting at same as when ex used to shout they are your fucking kids i never wanted them at me. he went fucking mental though when i repeated it in front if one of his family. that us the bonkers thing. they count on us keeping their secrets.

Have given up.on DW for tonight but if i had to choose maybe CE or DT but it defends on my mood. Tis funny now though how DW is meant to be a wee bit cheeky/flirty as he was completely sexless before. there was no suggestive with tom baker. no no no.

R4 thing was about jahmene Douglas from x factor (no idea who he is) being youth ambassador but also about he spent most of his childhood fleeing from one refuge to another. horrific past. hopeful present for him and his mum.

ponygirlcurtis · 20/04/2013 23:38

No, that's all for me, Breathe! Although my dreams don't really need any extra encouragement at the mo...

Think that's me done in now too. Night all. xx

BreatheandFlyAway · 20/04/2013 23:39

pony thank you Smile Like many of us, I'm apt to beat myself up and had kind of forgotten if that's possible that I have managed to separate and have come a long way. Your words made me feel better Thanks

minkembra · 20/04/2013 23:41

No lemon Hmm.he was not! Cross post re tb and asexual though. and yy to pd being a vet pretending to be DW. (think you and i must very of v similar generation)

BreatheandFlyAway · 20/04/2013 23:44

mink - "they count on us to keep their secrets" - yyyyy. Very well put and VERY bloody true and to the point Angry That's why fw here was so angry about court order, school knowing etc. His shitty behaviour is acceptable when unleashed on the people he's supposed to love and protect but God forbid the outside world see how he behaves - even though in his mind he doesn't behave badly Confused

BreatheandFlyAway · 20/04/2013 23:45

Oh and yy to PD being a vet pretending to be DW Grin I've always loved PD in a cuddly way Smile I am very sure he's not a fw!

BreatheandFlyAway · 20/04/2013 23:47

(cue some poor birthing bovine coming on here to say that actually, she thought he was very intrusive Grin)

LemonDrizzled · 20/04/2013 23:49

Haha Mink did you grow up when the pop idols were a choice of Donny or Michael? Or David Essex and Leo Sayer? And if you were really desperate there were a dozen Bay City Rollers to choose from... and they all wore frilly shirts!

LemonDrizzled · 20/04/2013 23:53

Agreed PD is not a FW. He seems like he was probably bullied at school.

Time for bed here. DP is organising a sporting event tomorrow so we have an early start. Night all

FairyFi · 20/04/2013 23:53

I'm with you Bounty definitely MS over potential FW DT!

Hilarious Silvery

FW threw DD across room onto bed too fly and was one time I was thumping him with every ounce of strength to stop him - don't think he even noticed me Sad

mmm Pony very with you on Peter Davidson FF do we think FW? I think no there.

BreatheandFlyAway · 20/04/2013 23:55

fi Sad xxx

minkembra · 21/04/2013 00:00

Pd shagging Stevie in.Miranda was a bit disturbing tho! (well cast as it was meant to be)

Something finally clicked with me the other day. between some of my reactions to online dating and the incident with DD being laughed at at school. Could not track down what it was that had made me vulnerable to an EA relationship.
Think I know now.

childhood was not perfect but pretty normal for the era. (everyone i knew got smacked). Realised it has a lot to do with being teased at school and made to feel like a freak. I got laughed at a lot and hated it.
That and men tend to either see me as a mate liked(i have lots of male friends) and about as sexy as Tom Baker or they find me intimidating. whatever i don't find it as easy to form relationships as lots of my friends seem to. I have never been any good at approaching the men i like and tended to end up with the ones that picked me. (also rubbish at noticing the nice guys that liked me)

so basically that is the cause of my low self esteem. i am quite contented. socially confident. fine at work. but i just feel very unattractive and like the person girl that is always left standing by the wall at the dance. So if anyone pays me attention i am far too grateful iyswim and i used to be afraid of ending up on my on forever.

FairyFi · 21/04/2013 00:00

btw chris timothy was James 'erriott

x-posted loads that turned up after I posted! Blush

Night to all ladies that have retired already, sweet dreams.

I am having horrific dreams atm Pony Not sure how much my heart can take! Sad

FairyFi · 21/04/2013 00:01

OMG Mink just watched that and thought same! but FF is Steve the chef! He's not FW atall.. he's just luvleeee xxx

minkembra · 21/04/2013 00:05

Bay city rollers were a wee bit before my time but David Essex i remember. Possible FW.

BCR as just associated with child abuse in my head though. not them their manager. nasty nasty FW.

Anyway boing time for bed said zebedee.

Zebedee- possible FW Grin

minkembra · 21/04/2013 00:07

No. Stevie is her tiny friend..Gary is the chef. tom Ellis definite FF (as mentioned in previous threads in the jacuzee with the Welsh rugby team. Wink)

FairyFi · 21/04/2013 00:08

zebedee defo FW!!! boiing... Mink

I could have written that post Fly about protecting FW, and his rage unleashed at being betrayed - but nothing to betray apparently as he done nothing wrong Hmm

FairyFi · 21/04/2013 00:09

oh yes!Q Gary... dreaming of Gary

FairyFi · 21/04/2013 00:10

Feel its only right to also mention M, to not leave any out Confused ??!

minkembra · 21/04/2013 00:12

fi as do i often Wink

Just realised I have sunburn. Its the curse of being Scottish. Wink off to find some after sun.

ponygirlcurtis · 21/04/2013 09:24

mink, as they say on here, are you me??

Your post last night at midnight, about childhood being ok but not perfect, having lots of male friends not so many any more after FW made me stop contact with some, sometimes people finding me intimidating (I'm only 5ft 2, but in my binge drinking years, I was feeling pretty depressed and hated myself and could get a bit aggressively maudlin, if that's possible, when v v drunk). I too would always be the one left standing at the wall - I felt awful if i was not picked, and if I was then i felt utterly embarrassed and panicking with no idea what to do (and ultimately ended up self-sabotaging so I could return to the safety of the wall), so I could never win!
I have always been in a prison of my own making - hating the wall (figuratively), but it being the only place where I felt safe and in control of myself.

Actually, that's quite a revelation. I've never really thought of it like that before...