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support thread for those in emotionally abusive relationships: 20

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foolonthehill · 14/04/2013 17:02

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
a check list Use this site for some concise diagnostic lists and support
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
why financial abuse is domestic violenceAre you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
20 signs you're with a controlling and/or abusive partner Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans ? He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans - Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels - The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie - If you a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being Co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out ? You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.
heart to heart a wealth of information and personal experiences drawn together in one place

what couples therapy does for abusers

If you find that he really wants to change
should I stay or should I go bonus materials this is a site containing the material for men who want to change?please don?t give him the link?print out the content for him to work through.

The Bill of Rights
bill of rights here is what you should expect as a starting point for your treatment in a relationship, as you will of course be treating others!!

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bountyicecream · 20/04/2013 22:12

Well I've never particularly noticed SC's eyebrows. Teeth - yes, high trousers - yes, flat hair - yes. But not eyebrows. So I'm thinking yours must be fine pony .

I have another 'how can you lose control of yourself with drink' husband rather than a drinker. Probably the best of the 2 'flavours'. I had 2 Christmases without booze. Obviously I didn't drink when pregnant but H also did not believe any of the health professionals that one drink wouldn't hurt whilst BF. So I had to either stop or not drink on Christmas no 2. Rather than telling him to stick it I actually didn't drink Confused shows how far I've come now. He was anti-BF anyway (I think because he couldn't be in control of how much and how often DD fed, and cos it was important to me) so he used the no-drinking rule as another way to try to get me to stop.

In the early days (pre showing his true self) we used to have some fun boozy nights together - but no more. It's a single Wine and then cork back in. You vixens are far more fun Grin

butterflymeadow · 20/04/2013 22:18

Ah sorry, I was making unfounded assumptions there.
No, I already said it was fine, he said he could come over when he found out we separated if I needed anything, I said no, please don't, wait a while, I am okay. Somehow the while took us to next week. I could ask him not to come and he would respect that, I am sure. I am kind of worried I will fall into his arms in a sobbing mess, really, and I don't mean anything inappropriate with that. Oh I don't know.

ponygirlcurtis · 20/04/2013 22:39

bounty - Sad everything is by their rules.

butterfly Why not think on it, and decide in the morning. If you feel now is a bad time for the two of you to meet, then rearrange.

minkembra · 20/04/2013 22:41

Oh well pony you will just have to hoik your trousers up to your oxsters. Wink

Did anyone here the women's hour thing on WA youth ambassador this week. was on Saturday round up today. chilling but with a happy ending. Only listen if you are feeling strong as it might be tough going.

Also cannot remember did i mention the program on the life prolonging effects of writing about trauma? That was an interesting listen.

BreatheandFlyAway · 20/04/2013 22:50

mink in that case, it must be a given us viixens'll all live to see a telegram from the queen Grin

bounty I am pretty sure we're married to the same man Shock

LemonDrizzled · 20/04/2013 22:50

Just dropped by for a Wine

Last night I went to a local beer festival with DP and had two half pints.

My alcohol intake has plummeted since I left FW as I was drinking to numb the unacceptable feelings he induced. He was a disapprover too, but he likes his fine wines.

BreatheandFlyAway · 20/04/2013 22:52

lemon Smile I'm glad you're having a lovely time now, good on you!

minkembra · 20/04/2013 22:54

Grin slim as a pig. i am having that.

am totally wiped out tonight so quick bit of DW (current doctor is neither FW or FF) what about Christopher eccleston though, any takers? David tenant? Also on a Christopher theme Mr walken? Lovely mover but to my mind there is something menacing.

On the booze front ex was 'normal' drinker except at NY when he would get uptight that you had to have a drink from his bottle and that protocol was more important than not making people uncomfortable.
very superstitious and always rules rather than the spirit of an occasion.

His dad was an alcoholic. ex's vices were other things.

But on having a relaxing smoke Wink very disapproving to the point i would not dare because he did not like it even though he was allowed to smoke cigarettes, take all kind of medical and over counter pills that affected his mood.

minkembra · 20/04/2013 22:57

Ex also disapproved of BF. he thought it was middle class (as if he wasn't).

ponygirlcurtis · 20/04/2013 22:59

Just watched it on iPlayer, mink! Grin Have to admit to not watching a fair bit of it, as was too scared!!!! Any of the new doctors could be on my FF list - had a bit of a fancy for DT for a fair wee while. CW definitely has that menace factor, guess that's why he gets cast in so many baddie roles. But yet, loving his moves!

Hang on, he was allowed to smoke, but you were not? Shock

Lemon, love the fact that you are chilling at a beer festival with your DP - gives me such hope!!!!

ponygirlcurtis · 20/04/2013 23:03

FW publically trumpeted how great he thought I was for BF. But on several occasions (while drunk, natch) he revealed his true thoughts, that I was controlling DS2 through BF (and once threatened to snatch him away and start formula-feeding him). He was terribly conflicted, I think - wanted to look the supportive loving husband/father, but gnashing his teeth at the fact that with me BF I called all the shots in terms of DS2. Must have been awful for him!!!!

BreatheandFlyAway · 20/04/2013 23:03

Oh yes, "slim as a pig" - I loved that too mink Grin

Re DWs - hmmm not sure. Yes, they're very masterful but strip away the tardis and what do you have? However, if forced to choose between them or die Grin it'd be DT hands down Wink

bountyicecream · 20/04/2013 23:07

breathe - I'm sure we've said that we're married to the same man on more than one occasion Wink Wish we were - it would halve the time that each of us had to put up with him :) (not for much longer for either if us!)

lemon - it's so encouraging to hear of somebody who is through the other side and enjoying life.

mink - that's the first rule of being a FW. Different rules for both of you. I didn't hear the women's hour thing. Is it a positive story about reaching out and educating school kids, or more about the stories of young people affected by DA? I can't believe that there is not more taught in schools about EA. I cannot believe that I'd never even heard the term until a couple of years ago and into my 30's Shock

TheSilveryPussycat · 20/04/2013 23:08

DT is a possble FW I think but I would still do him Blush

BreatheandFlyAway · 20/04/2013 23:09

pony bf wasn't the issue for us, but the dcs wanting me more as babies was Confused bloody idiot.

DD had night horrors as a baby and no-one could comfort her but she was slightly less distraught if I held her and she screamed her head off if anyone fw tried to take her off me.

This resulted in him losing patience with her and chucking her onto bed (not a great distance but it was the principle that was shocking) and snapping "trash". This has just come back to me and I feel ashamed I am still with this man Sad for the dcs' sake. Yet they love him of course and need him. But remembering and writing that has solidified my resolve.

Sure, she couldn't understand. Sure, she just landed on a soft bed, unaware. But it's the fecking principle Angry can you imagine saying that to a helpless baby Angry

LemonDrizzled · 20/04/2013 23:09

That's a good pub game for the Vixens

If you had to snog a Doctor (WHO) which one would you choose first? And last?

I would struggle tbh. DT is too young for me, but none of them are chosen for sex appeal are they, more for quirkiness!

BreatheandFlyAway · 20/04/2013 23:11

Silver Grin easy, tiger Wink

BreatheandFlyAway · 20/04/2013 23:11

Yes, if all the DWs were the last men on the planet and we HAD to shag one in order to populate the world, it would have to be DT.

LemonDrizzled · 20/04/2013 23:12

Fly don't blame yourself. The person you were back then was doing her best. She wasn't aware of what was going on she was just getting by. The current you is self aware and can spot FW behaviour so much more quickly. These things have a season, and cannot be rushed!

TheSilveryPussycat · 20/04/2013 23:12

Lemon if they are younger, you just have to imagine yourself at the appropriate age relative to the person you fancy with all your bits firm like they used to be

ponygirlcurtis · 20/04/2013 23:13

Trash??? Shock oh Breathe, that's such a horrible thing for him to say (and do). Sad You are not still with him. You have left him, and it took such bravery and courage from you to do it.

ponygirlcurtis · 20/04/2013 23:15

And it would be DT, of course, followed by current doctor MS. I used to quite like Peter Davidson when I was watching it first time round. Shame John Sim was a baddie and not the Doctor, have always had a soft spot for him!

bountyicecream · 20/04/2013 23:18

I think I'd do MS over DT personally!

TheSilveryPussycat · 20/04/2013 23:19

No no no pony John Sim as mad master pm was a serious serious crush of mine, and got me through a not so good time.

Sorry I am being all me. Can you tell I'm missing someone?

LemonDrizzled · 20/04/2013 23:25

Silver my bits are still pretty firm thanks to all the sport I do! It just freaks me out when they look young enough to be my children... although I would only have been 11 when DT was born!

I always saw PD as vet James Herriot with the nice wife, pretending to be Dr Who. While Tom Baker and Colin Baker seem kind of asexual. And CE is scary and MS has rubbery lips... oh dear was Sylvester fanciable??

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