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Am I being a mug - supporting him when he won't support me?

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Amykins35 · 23/03/2013 16:16

Hi, it's my first time here. Haven't got anyone to discuss this with and would appreciate some perspectives. It's complicated, but will try not to make it too long though you're welcome to ask anything you feel I've missed.
DP and I have been together for 4 years. I had a 2.5 year old when we met, we now have a 14 month old together. We were planning to move in together when I was pregnant as that's when our contracts on respective properties ran out. However, some extra debts from his marriage came to light and we couldn't afford to do so. When his contract ran out he moved into a room in a friends house which he doesn't pay for. He comes to visit for tea on work nights then sleeps at his friends, on nights off (generally 3 per week) he eats and sleeps here. He doesn't pay anything towards rent, food or bills here though he does pay maintenance towards our baby - though that's partly to reduce the CSA payment for his children from his marriage I suspect. All his money (around 40k salary) is going into paying off his debts.
He says that if he's being honest it'll be at least another 1.5/2 years before he can afford to move in with us. He would then like us to have another baby. I said that I wouldn't like a baby if I couldn't stay home with them for at least the first three years (personal preference) and he said that in that case we wouldn't be able to have another one as 'his wages wouldn't be enough to support us.' At the moment I do and pay for everything and think I'm being a mug for effectively supporting him to clear his debts when he isn't willing to support me in the future. Having another child isn't essential for me but it irritates me that I have far less money than 40k p/a yet it's ok for me to support him but he wouldn't do it for me.
Also, it's gone from having a baby together in a loving committed relationship where we were moving in together to him not living with us until our child is potentially almost 3.5 years old. Not to mention the fact this isn't good for either child, it means I do absolutely everything for them. I work from home and am also studying for a degree. Next year is my final year when I'll be doing my dissertation which is obviously a huge piece of work. Another student that's doing it this year said she's been in the library 4 days per week from 10am-11pm since September and still not finished. Youngest DD is difficult at night - she will only sleep if latched on so doing my university work is proving impossible. When I told DP how much work is involved next year he said he'd 'tell his mum to get DVD player fired up to entertain DD.' I just felt like screaming at him that it isn't his mums responsibility to have our DD (never mind the fact she never has, never offered and lives 1.5 hours away) that if he lived with us then he could do what normal partners do and help with the kids at night so I can work then. He's just done some work based exams which he got to study for every night interruption free as I have the kids yet I feel I could well fail the degree which I've invested my savings in and that is essential for my future career and for me to be able to provide for the kids. Not only that but if we reach the day where he moves in then things won't get easier for me as he won't know what to do with the kids/they'll want me.
I'm aware I'm ranting now so I'll stop there! Am I wrong to be feeling utterly pissed off at the situation?

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Thisisaeuphemism · 24/03/2013 11:36

Oh Amy. You surely don't need this twat in your life.

EggyFucker · 24/03/2013 11:36

We are all wasting our time.

NotSuchASmugMarriedNow · 24/03/2013 11:36

its just gets worse and worse doesn't it ladies Sad

Anniegetyourgun · 24/03/2013 11:37

He doesn't see his other children.

That, right there, says as much about him as the whole rest of the thread.

Amykins35 · 24/03/2013 11:41

Surfing - that sounds similar to us. I admit I like having time alone with the kids, I just had our baby thinking I'd have help with her at night. I was achieving a first up until now but just don't know how I'm going to maintain it with no time.

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AttilaTheMeerkat · 24/03/2013 11:42

Amy

You're never ever going to be content with this man so long as you live and breathe.

I also think you will mess up your degree chances and furthermore not complete the dissertation.

What is it that is stopping you from seeing this situation for what it really is?. Do you not think you deserve better from life?. Probably not so you were and remain the ideal person for this cocklodgers.

LapsedPacifist · 24/03/2013 11:44

Amykins, I don't need to add my comments re. your cocklodger of a 'boyfriend' to what's already been said by these very wise women on Mumsnet, but something from your OP did strike me as unnecessarily adding to your stress.

Next year is my final year when I'll be doing my dissertation which is obviously a huge piece of work. Another student that's doing it this year said she's been in the library 4 days per week from 10am-11pm since September and still not finished.

I'm a final year mature student currently working on my dissertation. You really really don't need to spend 4 days a week 10am-11pm working on an undergraduate dissertation, unless you are seriously punching above your weight - its usually 'only' Hmm 10,000 words long. This is the equivalent of 5 essays of 2,000 words over the course of around 8-9 months and is perfectly manageable. Please don't get into a panic about your 3rd year - its tough but you'll cope just fine! Smile Concentrate on getting this useless vampire of a man out of your life first.

surfingbabies · 24/03/2013 11:48

I agree with SundaysGirl
If its as bad as you say it is then I actually can't believe your allowing your children to witness such behaviour but more importantly if you have a 15 month old I take it your not working as you said you'd like to stay at home for 3 years if you have another one so I'm guessing your already claiming single parent benefits in which case you will have help with childcare but to be fair if your degree means that much to you then maybe you shouldn't have booked two holidays and paid for childcare with that money instead......I know you should be able to rely on the father but you know you can't and you knew that when you booked it.......where is the father of your other child, can he not help lighten the load for you? What about your parents? friends? Etc......
But like I said in my other post.....talk to him, tell him how your feeling and tell him things need to change and then see what happens! You clearly love him and are not going to tell him where to go otherwise you would have done it by now so the only way your going to get anywhere is by talking to him otherwise nothing will change!
Stay positive and be strong! Show your children this is not normal by changing it for the better......good luck Smile

tribpot · 24/03/2013 11:48

So of course he's using up your petrol driving his child around and/or texting you to prevent you from getting any work done. This man truly is worse than useless.

He doesn't see his other children.

Of course he doesn't.

Amykins35 · 24/03/2013 11:56

Thanks lapsed. Mine is much longer than 10000 words but still think she was exaggerating about how long it will take.
Surfing - I work from home at the moment, I don't claim benefits or have help with child care. I don't have family or friends to help me out. At the time I booked holidays DP had promised to help with DD and I hadn't realised that'd mean boring her to sleep! Ha. I will talk to him. Ideally I'd like to write a letter so I can say everything I want to without interruption but I don't even have time to do that.

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flippinada · 24/03/2013 12:01

Nothing really to add to the very sensible advice from others on this thread.

This man is a complete and utter waste of your physical and emotional energy. R

And he doesn't see his kids!

And he's not even 30 so god knows what he'll be like in a few years time.

TheCrackFox · 24/03/2013 12:03

"he doesn't see his other children"

I could have no respect for a man like that and it doesn't bode well for your and your DCs future with him.

Amykins35 · 24/03/2013 12:05

He was seeing them when I fell pregnant, in my defence. No defence for him though.

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SissySpacekAteMyHamster · 24/03/2013 12:06

He is absolutely taking you for a mug (and the friend who he lives with whilst paying nothing!).

He is a freeloader plain and simple and I'm sure if you decided not to fund him any longer he would find some other poor mug to move onto.

What exactly do you get out of the relationship? What do your children get out of it? You can't take them on holiday because he owes thousands of pounds? Their childhood doesn't include holidays, even though you could take them, because you will feel mean to him?

I'd be putting the kids first, he is doing a good enough job of putting himself first all on his own!

You really would be better on your own. As others have said, he is a cocklodger (the very definition of one).

Send him on his way please, you deserve so much better, as do your children.

Can't believe he'd happily have more kids when he doesn't even see the ones he does have, he sounds like an absolute prize, and not even 30! It just gets better.

Run.

flippinada · 24/03/2013 12:07

Why do you think he stopped seeing then when you got pregnant?

EggyFucker · 24/03/2013 12:08

Amy, what are you living off?

You claim no benefits, have no family support, are studying for a degree, paying for 2 holidays and
are supporting 4 people singlehandedly

How do you do it?

flippinada · 24/03/2013 12:10

I think Amy mentioned above that she works from home EF

EggyFucker · 24/03/2013 12:12

I'd like to know what that job is, so I can take it up myself

flippinada · 24/03/2013 12:16

Yes, must admit I'd love a job like that.

Actually, maybe not as I'd never get out of my pjs Grin.

LeChatRouge · 24/03/2013 12:16

So, after 56239 people think that this is not a happy, fulfilling, secure, caring, loving relationship with ideals and morals to pass onto your DDs as they grow, that this 'man' is having his gateaux and eating the whole thing........

......tell us, Amy, what are you going to do?

surfingbabies · 24/03/2013 12:19

Amykins35
that sounds similar to us. I admit I like having time alone with the kids, I just had our baby thinking I'd have help with her at night. I was achieving a first up until now but just don't know how I'm going to maintain it with no time.
So your saying he's changed since before you had his baby? Because if he was like this before then why did you have a baby knowing he was like it and knowing full well you were doing a degree? Why did you not wait till you qualified and wait until you knew things were 100% between you?
It's not your fault he's the way he is but it's your fault your now in a pickle because you knew what he was like......

surfingbabies · 24/03/2013 12:28

Yes EggyFucker I'd like that job too.......what do you do Amy? I now don't understand why your doing a degree to become a teacher because you won't get the money your on now......I have a friend who's a teacher and she's married to a teacher with one child and they can't afford one holiday let alone two, yet your single, working, studying, paying for your DP and you can afford two.......I'm intrigued now Smile

letseatgrandma · 24/03/2013 12:42

I agree-I seriously wouldn't give up the job you've got to go into teaching; what on earth do you do from home that pays so highly? Believe me, (as a teacher) if you can earn enough to pay all the bills, food and 2 holidays whilst looking after a baby from home-you are not going to want to give that up to be out of the house from 7.30-6 plus working weekends/evenings for £21k.

surfingbabies · 24/03/2013 12:58

Also DP on £45K but doesn't have a car? What does he do?

Why doesn't he have contact with his other DCs? Who decided this?

Why don't you have any friends to help? have you not lived there long? My friends and I help each other out all the time.......

showtunesgirl · 24/03/2013 13:05

I'm sorry but none of the figures on this thread add up at all! Both on your side and his side. Confused

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