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Support thread for those in Emotionally Abusive Relationships - number 19

999 replies

CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 21/03/2013 20:56

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
A check list Use this site for some concise diagnostic lists and support
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
Why financial abuse is domestic violence Are you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
Warning signs you're dating a loser Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans - He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans - Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels - The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie - If you a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being Co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out - You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.
Heart to heart a wealth of information and personal experiences drawn together in one place

What couples therapy does for abusers

If you find that he really wants to change
Should I Stay or Should I Go bonus materials this is a site containing the material for men who want to change - please don't give him the link - print out the content for him to work through.

The Bill of Rights
What you should expect as a starting point for your treatment in a relationship, as you will of course be treating others!!

OP posts:
bountyicecream · 01/04/2013 23:11

Sorry fi. Have been really selfish tonight. Hope tomorrow goes ok. Will be thinking of you.

BreatheandFlyAway · 01/04/2013 23:16

Fi I will be handholding all the way with you tomorrow xxxxx Everything crossed for you. Lots of thoughts and strength winging over the ether to you from me.

Bounty re your dd rarely crying with your H - that is very telling and sad, as you say. And the huffing and "do whatever you want" is VERY familiar to me from my fw too. It's the same old script again, isn't it Sad

snowshapes · 01/04/2013 23:18

What, he gave the example that his dc does not cry with him if she falls over as an example of his superior parenting, in an argument which generally implied that nursery would be better than being cared for by you?

He is also making up the spare bed because you are refusing to put a 2 year old in nursery when you do not have to.

FW. Sorry,too tired to be more constructive, but seriously, get it in writing and ignore the fwittery. You do not need his permission to look after your own child.

Fi, all the best for tomorrow.

TisILeclerc · 01/04/2013 23:24

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BreatheandFlyAway · 01/04/2013 23:37

leclerc [bushock] re "we can replace the dcs"!

snowshapes · 01/04/2013 23:38

You could always replace the dcs?? Yes, you are right, total FW. Though am I allowed a wry smile at the fact you have the dcs and will hopefully one day be replacing him with that lovely guy who will bring you tea in bed etc?

Night all.

bountyicecream · 01/04/2013 23:39

Replace the dcs!?!?! Thank god there's only one of him

TheSilveryPussycat · 02/04/2013 00:58

Tis Shock Shock Shock

For those speculating about alternatives, I have experience of this and will try to write a resume of what worked and what didn't. Escape did eventually succeed. PM me if you'd be interested.

foolonthehill · 02/04/2013 08:58
Sad I am sorry snow and anyone else feeling fragile about my earlier post re day care...it was entirely meant to bolster Bounty and not to condemn or make any one else feel bad...as I said in my post...we all do what we have to do to survive and build lives for our DC, we make the best of what we have to do.

There are plenty of places to feel guilty, and I would hate here to be one of them Sad

maybe time for me to take a break.

foolonthehill · 02/04/2013 09:16

If it makes you feel better...I work 48 hours per week, and have 4 primary school aged children, I have worked since DC1 was 8 weeks old Sad

TisILeclerc · 02/04/2013 09:36

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ponygirlcurtis · 02/04/2013 09:40

Don't you dare take a break from posting, fool. You need it, we need you. Thanks Your foolish wisdom is the backbone of this thread.

My nephew was in nursery several days a week from when he was 3 months old. 14 years ago there wasn't much maternity leave at all, my sister didn't have a choice except go back to work. I had to go back to work when DS1 was a year. We all do what we have to do. But we are all good people and good mothers, and that's what makes the difference to our DCs. If it was a choice between DS2 being looked after all week by FW at home or being in nursery all week... I know which one I'd choose!

Sorry, don't mean to keep this issue alive, just want to say - stay, fool.

And thinking of you today Fi. xx

snowshapes · 02/04/2013 10:01

Oh fool nobody should be feeling bad about posting to be supportive and I did realise I was being oversensitive. I think it is the issue where womn ties themselves in knots where men just get on with it, unless as in bounty's case, it is a way of trying to exercise control. No inequalities in the world will be solved if we just argue with each other. So shall we move on?

foolonthehill · 02/04/2013 10:03

absolutely

foolonthehill · 02/04/2013 11:34

But I will be away for a few days and as I am a luddite and only have a rubbish phone will not be able to post...I have not stormed off!

FairyFi · 02/04/2013 12:26

enjoy the break Fool - agreed entirely we all do the best with the knowledge we have at the time (and against FWs!)

I called the hospital this morning and tried to get an answer,b ut been told results will take 10-14 days. [bugrim] seems such a loooong time, and thanks for all your wishes ladies xxx

ponygirlcurtis · 02/04/2013 13:17

That's ages Fi. Sad [bugrim] indeed. Will still be thinking of you throughout. Keep your pecker up!

bountyicecream · 02/04/2013 18:18

I've just had an OMG moment. Have been flicking through some of the links at the start and listened to the recording of verbal abuse on the You Are Not Crazy site. I never thought my relationship was verbally abusive as H never raises his voice or swears at me. But that recording (minus the american accents) is one of our 'discussions' to the tee.

fi [busad] at a longer wait. It's horribel waiting but try to stay positive.

There are lots of EA threads running at the moment. So many FWs out there Angry

BreatheandFlyAway · 02/04/2013 20:14

Fi my love, I am very sorry that you have to wait longer for results [busad] thinking of you all the way.

Fool your wisdom and this thread and our mutual support is what's kept many many women going and led us out of terrible dark times. Have a lovely few days away (holiday I hope?) and missin' you already [busmile]

BreatheandFlyAway · 02/04/2013 20:17

I saw my new counsellor today and had a really good chat. I am going to have several weeks of counselling with her to get me through the biggie that's coming up (D papers being prepared [bushitscared])

I have to do a couple of hours' work this evening but hoping there may be a lock in at the Vixens later tonight [bugrin]

Greengrassandfreedom · 02/04/2013 20:22

This thread has been a great help to me over the past months although I can't always get on the internet enough to keep up with it. My H cheated on me last summer. Until then I didn't realise I was in a EA relationship, it was quite subtle over the years and it was only when he started cheating and discovered i didnt want to take him back that he became really horrible and also I started looking for help on the Internet. Until then I thought domestic abuse was only violence.

Since then I endured months of sexual and verbal abuse until he finally moved out, things were better but he was still very much in control of me.
Then he made death threats and I had to leave my home with my teenage DS and have not been back except with a police escort to collect some things.

I am now living in a safe place without fear and with lots of support. But I miss my home dreadfully. WA recomended no contact. I have some questions I hope some of you can help with if you have been in a similar situation. Is it normal to feel that what you are doing is very wrong even though you know in your head you have no choice? Is that the result of many years bending to his will? Is it normal to wake up every morning thinking you should go back to him even though you know in your head you would be scared and unhappy and in danger? Perhaps it is my home I am missing or maybe the person he used to be when he was nice (not nice all the time but was nice some of the time).

Don't worry I won't go back and I am divorcing him but the feeling of loss is sometimes overwhelming and all I can do at those times is follow my head and talk to family and friends so they can talk some sense into me. Will these feelings pass in time? Does the no contact help?

Sorry about all the questions, I have more but will save those for another time.

bountyicecream · 02/04/2013 20:40

Hi greengrass congratulations on getting out. That is a huge step and I'm not (quite) there yet. Hopefully soon though...

I will try to answer your questions, but please do bear in mind that I've not left yet. But yes I do feel guilty about even planning on leaving. I'm having to do things behind his back to prepare that feels just wrong and underhand. I am having very much to listen to my head over heart. I think that some if it is conditioning. The other part may be that we are genuinely nice people who like to keep people happy and the expense of ourselves in the extreme. Sadly the only way to escape our EA H's is to put ourselves first for once and it does not feel right.

Not sure about whether it's normal to wake up thinking about going back. Probably. In my situation (not left yet) I guess it's the equivalent of thinking maybe I should stay, maybe he's not that bad and I'm overreacting on the days when he treats us ok. I do think it is normal to grieve and feel sad for the relationship we should have had, thought we were going to have and wish we did have. I think a lot of the sadness comes from that.

Keep listening to your family and friends too.

foolonthehill · 02/04/2013 20:42

Green so glad you are safe and out. Welcome.

  1. It is completely normal to feel like you are doing something wrong...we are conditioned to try to PLEASE them, not to make our own decisions

  2. It is normal to think you should go back...more of trying to please him, also possibly traumatic bonding and definitely a skewed view of love and care and nurture

  3. Most probably you are missing the view of him you had, the hopes and dreams you had of the future and the "what might have been" if only he had been a good man. In order to stay in the relationship for so long we also con ourselves and minimise everything...IME it was quite scary beign"out" and realising just how bad everything really was...I am a coper you see...so many of us are.

  4. No contact helps, it is a period of grieving...ups and downs (look out for the 6 month dip). Counselling, taqlking and establishing a new life will all help...so will the occasional day when you just curl up and cry your eyes out. Glad you have friends and family to support you.

  5. the further away you stay from him the clearer your vision will be and the less traumatic the passage.

Have a wonderful new life...the best is yet to come. How is your DS??

Greengrassandfreedom · 02/04/2013 20:48

Yes I am very much the type of person who always wants to keep every one else happy. People keep saying to me this isn't your fault. I know I had no choice and I know I can never go back, my head knows it but my heart can't seem to catch up. The whole no contact thing is weird and makes me feel guilty, I hadnt heard of it before. I naively thought we could be friends but he took advantage of that.

foolonthehill · 02/04/2013 20:53

3 months of contact as and when he felt like it nearly sent me to the loony bin!! and ended with him being removed...not a good idea!!

let the blame rest where it belongs, with him, do not give in to the lies he told you that it was "all because you....." (fill in the gap with inappropriate example)

Your heart will catch up

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