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Support thread for those in Emotionally Abusive relationships....can it be 18?

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foolonthehill · 08/03/2013 22:19

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
a check list Use this site for some concise diagnostic lists and support
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
why financial abuse is domestic violenceAre you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
20 signs you're with a controlling and/or abusive partner Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans ? He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans - Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels - The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie - If you a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being Co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out ? You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.
heart to heart a wealth of information and personal experiences drawn together in one place

what couples therapy does for abusers

If you find that he really wants to change
should I stay or should I go bonus materials this is a site containing the material for men who want to change?please don?t give him the link?print out the content for him to work through.

The Bill of Rights
bill of rights here is what you should expect as a starting point for your treatment in a relationship, as you will of course be treating others!!

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TisILeclerc · 18/03/2013 20:35

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minkembra · 18/03/2013 20:36

Tcm i used to get that if there was any gender based issue that came up.
Being a feminist is not the same as hating men and only insecure men who have a lot invested in an unfair system think that. It is not a race to the bottom...
If he does not want you to be a feminist that is the same as saying i don't want you to be my equalHmm

TieredConfusedMummy · 18/03/2013 20:37

Yeah, that's what I said to him, but no apparently I hate all men... but then of course I'm being difficult and proving that he is right...

TieredConfusedMummy · 18/03/2013 20:38

In fact if I ever disagree with him or have a different view the conversation ends and he withdraws and gets sullen.

MrsMorton · 18/03/2013 20:39

I don't know either mink [dim emoticon]

TisILeclerc · 18/03/2013 20:39

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minkembra · 18/03/2013 20:40

Failure to realise you are an actual real personHmm

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TieredConfusedMummy · 18/03/2013 20:41

Omg, that is his almost exact description of feminists TLL

TisILeclerc · 18/03/2013 20:42

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TieredConfusedMummy · 18/03/2013 20:43

It is a real eye-opener for me tbh

minkembra · 18/03/2013 20:43

That was the lightbulb moment for me. despite being the equal ops officer and despite having 3 DDs ex did not respect women. He thinks less of me because I am a woman and I will not stand for it.

I had thought of all kinds of reasons for his outbursts often some failure on my part but finally realised nope it is just hrs dies not see me as an actual real person just a woman.

minkembra · 18/03/2013 20:46

That is the kicker when you can tell someone divides the world into people and women

TieredConfusedMummy · 18/03/2013 20:47

I get that feeling often from H mink I honestly think he sees me in a similar lights as a child..

minkembra · 18/03/2013 20:51

So really Tcm you should know, people have opinions and women have menfolk to tell them what their opinions are.
Doh! I got so Angry there my bra spontaneously combusted and I have chewed my way through the rug whilst drinking from a furry slipper (flat soled slipper natch!) Grin

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TieredConfusedMummy · 18/03/2013 20:56

I know, how dare I have thoughts of mine own, and enjoy my own free time. The horror!

minkembra · 18/03/2013 20:57

I am apparently a rug muncher Wink

MatchsticksForMyEyes · 18/03/2013 20:57

FW definitely saw me as a child a lot of the time. I've been told: "You're on thin ice!" "You need to buck your ideas up!" things like that. But then when it suited I had to be the parent-getting him up for work, provider of all meals, clean laundry etc. Maddening.

TieredConfusedMummy · 18/03/2013 20:58

omg matchstick sounds just like H... it's nice actually to realise that it's not just me being too unaccommodating of how he is, but that actually I am justified to how I feel

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minkembra · 18/03/2013 21:00

And sadly no although it would be convenient.

That and 90 % of my friends are male. But of course secretly i hate them.

then again ex has a lot of female 'friends' but i have tried explaining to shaggyhim that liking someone because you might get to shag them is not the same as respecting them.

ponygirlcurtis · 18/03/2013 21:06

Matchsticks I got that kind of language too! I frequently felt like a child being chastised. FW's a teacher too, so that didn't help. He'd tell his DDs to 'straighten therr faces' and he's said it to me too.

mink, I've always had lots of male friends. FW hated that, so I stopped mentioning them/contacting them. And after we got engaged he insisted that I break off all contact with three male friends who I'd also previously had relationships with. That still hurts, and shames me that I actually did it, I went to my friends who I'd know for years (as opposed to the matter of months I'd known FW) and had to tell them I couldn't be in contact with them any more.

Fuckwit!!!!!

NoraLuca · 18/03/2013 21:09

Oh no missed the Welsh bit of the thread! I grew up within sight of the Welsh mountains and LLangollen was where you'd end up if you fell asleep on the train home Wink

WRT finding a new bloke, dating, kissing... I really really want to, but don't know where to start. What about flirting? I don't even have any male friends as H would have had a fit!

TCM , minkembra I think H divides the world into people and women, too. He definitely thinks that men should have the final say over things and gets sulky / silent / angry if challenged. He used to hate me wearing non-baggy jeans and forbade me to wear them, literally 'I forbid you to wear those again!' Grin and even now, I wore a skirt to work on Friday and got changed before I went to collect the DDs because I was worried about his reaction if he saw me (knee length black skirt with woolly tights. Nothing too wild. yet Grin )

pony you replied to my post way upthread saying that I bend over backwards to do what H wants WRT contact with the DCs. I guess you are right, but I do want H to maintain (build!) a relationship with the DDs. It would be so easy for them to grow apart because he is not always an easy person to get along with. I worry about how H will get on with his daughters when they are teenagers so I am hoping that if they have a strong relationship now that will help in the future.

NoraLuca · 18/03/2013 21:13

Leclerc yy to being allowed your own ideas so long as they were the same as his. Mine did this too! We sometimes argued about why his word was law while mine could be ignored.