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To get annoyed at having to prompt dh for some money?

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WomanCalledAlice · 01/03/2013 15:57

I work FT and get paid monthly, dh gets paid weekly. My wage pays the bills/clothes the kids need etc. On a Friday when dh is paid he transfers money straight into my account for groceries. Today he transferred £100 so I went to Tesco and spent £70 on food for the week and put the other £30 in the meter for electric.

Now it's my friends birthday today and I'd like to buy her something nice and also my other friend had a baby on Monday so would have liked to buy her a little gift.

Every week it's more or less the same, he transfers money over but I just never have enough. When I ask him for more money he usually says "did you spent the whole £100"? But he always transfers more over its just the fact he questions me and I don't think I should have to ask.

I'm not out buying luxuries for myself (I wish) I'd just like a little bit of cash in my purse. AIBU?

I almost feel guilty for asking him Confused

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CremeEggThief · 03/03/2013 16:38

Go to the Talk button. You will find Relationships and Divorce/Separation in the Body and Soul section, and Legal Matters in Legal and Money.

You are more than entitled to feel sorry for yourself after all that's happened since Friday. Please look after yourself now.

WomanCalledAlice · 03/03/2013 16:46

I did report this last night and asked for it to be moved but I guess they are busy with idiot spammers ,

Thanks cremeegg :)

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MrsTerryPratchett · 03/03/2013 16:47

Sorry to scare you with information. olgaga has the most amazing advice.

Here it is...

Relationship Breakdown and Divorce ? Advice and Links

It is useful if you can get to grips with the language of family law and procedure, and get an understanding of your rights, BEFORE you see a solicitor. If you are well prepared you will save time and money.

Children

If there are children involved, their welfare, needs and interests are paramount. Parents have responsibilities, not rights, in this regard. Shared residence means both parties having an equal interest in the upbringing of the children. It does not mean equal (50/50) parenting time - children are not possessions to be ?fairly? divided between separating parents.

A divorce will not be granted where children are involved unless there are agreed arrangements for finance, and care of the children (?Statement of Arrangements for Children?). It is obviously quicker and cheaper if this can be agreed but if there is no agreement, the Court will make an Order - ?Residence and Contact? regarding children, ?Financial Order? or ?Ancillary Relief? in the case of Finance. Information and links to these can be found in the Directgov link below. Residence and Contact Orders are likely to be renamed Child Arrangements Orders in future.

Always see a specialist family lawyer!

Get word of mouth recommendations for family lawyers in your area if possible. If you have children at school, ask mums you are friendly with if they know of anyone who can make a recommendation in your area. These days there are few people who don?t know of anyone who has been through a divorce or separation ? there?s a lot of knowledge and support out there!

Many family lawyers will offer the first half hour consultation free. Make use of this. Don?t just stick with the first lawyer you find ? shop around and find someone you feel comfortable with. You may be in for a long haul, so it helps if you can find a solicitor you?re happy with.

If you can?t find any local recommendations, always see a solicitor who specialises in Family Law.

If you take legal action to protect yourself or your family from domestic violence, you may qualify for legal aid without having to meet the normal financial conditions. The income of an abusive partner will not be taken into account when deciding whether you qualify for legal aid.

You can also find out about Legal Aid and get advice on the Community Legal Advice Helpline on 08345 345 4 345
www.direct.gov.uk/en/Dl1/Directories/UsefulContactsByCategory/Governmentcitizensandrightscontacts/DG_195356

Or search in your area for Community Legal Advisors:
legaladviserfinder.justice.gov.uk/AdviserSearch.do

Co-operative Legal Services offer DIY/Self-Help Divorce packages, as well as a Managed Divorce service. Their fee structure is more transparent and they have a telephone advice line as well as offering really good advice on their website:
www.co-operative.coop/legalservices/family-and-relationships/

You can read advice and search by area for a family lawyer here:
www.resolution.org.uk/

You will also read good advice and find a family lawyer here:
www.divorceaid.co.uk/

Some family law solicitors publish online feedback from clients ? Google solicitors to see if you can find any recommendations or feedback.

Mediation

You will be encouraged to attend mediation. This can help by encouraging discussion about arrangements for children and finance in a structured way in a neutral setting. However, it only works if both parties are willing to reach agreement.

If there has been violence or emotional abuse, discuss this with your solicitor first. Always get legal advice, or at the very least make sure you are aware of your legal rights, before you begin mediation. This is important because while a Mediator should have knowledge of family law, and will often explain family law, they are not there to give tailored legal advice to either party - so it?s important to have that first.

Married or Living Together?

This is a key question, because if you are married, generally speaking you have greater protection when a relationship breaks down.

Legal Issues around marriage/cohabitation and relationship breakdown are explained here:
www.adviceguide.org.uk/england/relationships_e/relationships_living_together_marriage_and_civil_partnership_e/living_together_and_marriage_legal_differences.htm#Ending_a_relationship

www.advicenow.org.uk/living-together/

DirectGov advice on divorce, separation and relationship breakdown:
www.direct.gov.uk/en/Governmentcitizensandrights/Divorceseparationandrelationshipbreakdown/index.htm

Legal Rights and issues around contact are further explained here:
www.rightsofwomen.org.uk/legal.php#children_relationship_breakdown
www.maypole.org.uk/

I found these guides from law firms quite informative and easy to read ? there are others of course:

www.family-lawfirm.co.uk/uploaded/documents/Surviving-Family-Conflict-and-Divorce---2nd-edition.pdf

www.terry.co.uk/hindex.html

Finance

Before you see a family law solicitor, get hold of every single piece of financial information you have access to, and take copies or make notes. Wage slips, P60s, tax returns, employment contracts, pensions and other statements ? savings, current account and mortgages, deeds, rental leases, utility bills, council tax bills, credit statements. Are there joint assets such as a home, pensions, savings, shares?

If you have no access to financial information, or you are aware that assets are being hidden from you, then obviously you will not be able to reach agreement on finances. If there are children, as you cannot divorce without adequate arrangements being agreed on finance and children, you will have to apply for a financial order anyway. If there are no children, and you are unable to agree on finances, you will also have to apply for a financial order (follow the Direct.gov links below). This seeks financial information from both parties going back 12 months. So it is in your interests to act quickly once you have made the decision to divorce.

If you are married, the main considerations of the Family Courts where parties are unable to agree a settlement are (in no particular order of priority):

1.The welfare of any minor children from the marriage.
2.The value of jointly and individually owned property and other assets and the financial needs, obligation and responsibilities of each party.
3.Any debts or liabilities of the parties.
4.Pension arrangements for each of the parties, including future pension values and any value to each of the parties of any benefit they may lose as a result of the divorce.
5.The earnings and earning potential of each of the parties.
6.Standard of living enjoyed during the marriage.
7.The age of the parties and duration of the marriage.
8.Any physical or mental disability of either of the parties.
9.Contributions that each party may have made to the marriage, either financially or by looking after the house and/or caring for the family.

CSA maintenance calculator:
www.csacalculator.dsdni.gov.uk/calc.asp

Handy tax credits calculator:
www.hmrc.gov.uk/taxcredits/payments-entitlement/entitlement/question-how-much.htm#7

Handy 5 Minute benefit check, tax and housing benefit calculators:
www.moneysavingexpert.com/family/

CAB Benefits Check:
www.citizensadvice.co.uk/getadvice/benefit-calculator/A2B-Benefit-Calculator/#730

Parenting issues:
www.familylives.org.uk
www.theparentconnection.org.uk

Other Support for Women ? Children, Housing, Domestic Violence
www.womensaid.org.uk/ and refuge.org.uk/ - Helpline 0808 2000 247
www.ncdv.org.uk/ - Helpline 0844 8044 999
www.gingerbread.org.uk/ - Helpline 0808 802 0925
Housing www.england.shelter.org.uk/get_advice/families_and_relationships/relationship_breakdown
(Note that there is usually an appropriate link on these websites for England, Wales and Scotland where the law, advice and contact information may differ.

CremeEggThief · 03/03/2013 16:49

Aw great, thanks for posting this, MrsTP.

MrsTerryPratchett · 03/03/2013 16:51

It's all olgaga's work. Bloody amazing post she did.

WomanCalledAlice · 03/03/2013 16:55

Wow thank you, I have a night of reading ahead :)

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WomanCalledAlice · 03/03/2013 19:46

Just an update. He came for his bags, tried to talk me into giving things a go, fresh start blah blah blah. Told him no, all respect has gone and it will never work. Basically told him he's a controlling manipulative person and hell would freeze over brfore i took him back which he didn't take kindly to. This conversation took place in the garden as I had been out with the dog.

Anyway upshot is he assaulted me, thankfully my neighbour was in garden and witnessed it. Police have just left with my statement. My neighbour is giving a statement just now. I'm going to my parents for a few days.

Thank you again for all advice and providing info and links. Posting here has kept me sane the past 2 days. Hopefully this thread will be moved to relationships soon.

x

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Reality · 03/03/2013 19:47

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MrsMangoBiscuit · 03/03/2013 19:49

What an arse, arse, arse! I hope you're ok, and I'm glad the police got round there this time. Stay strong.

MrsTerryPratchett · 03/03/2013 19:51

Oh Alice, so sorry that happened to you. He's really descended into the shit in the last few days. It's like there was a thin veneer of pretending over this pit of abuse. So glad he's getting out of your life. The only good thing is that you have a witness, the Police are finally doing the right thing and you can keep him away now.

Look after yourself.

MrsDeVere · 03/03/2013 19:52

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ClimbingPenguin · 03/03/2013 19:53

I have been following but wasn't sure what to say.

I am sorry that so much has happened to you in a short space of time, but also thankful that he has clearly showed himself to abusive fuckwit so that you can finish/leave the relationship with clarity that is the right thing to do.

Good luck over the upcoming weeks.

pigletmania · 03/03/2013 19:55

Omg he assaulted you again Shock, what did he do? I am glad you broke free of this arse, you are finding out how he is really like

Dededum · 03/03/2013 19:55

Alice, that's horrible. Let your parents look after you and the kids for a few days. Take one day at a time, remind yourself that you and your lovely kids deserve better.

Take care

IneedAsockamnesty · 03/03/2013 19:58

I'm really very sorry that happened.

From a purely practicle perspective tho its quite handy that it did and that you had witnesses.

Its normally one persons word against another but yours isant. This makes it easier for you for several reasons if your income is such that legal aid may be required even if you don't divorce for a few months because of that you will be able to get it and the new rules won't apply to you.

It will be easier for you to get court orders,any contact disputes should be easier as well as a few other things.

It won't be easy but it will be easier

CremeEggThief · 03/03/2013 20:03

What a nasty piece of work! Thank goodness the neighbour witnessed it, although obviously, we would all prefer if he had kept his hands to himself in the first place Angry. He really doesn't do himself any favours, does he?

I am glad you are going to stay with your parents now. Take care of yourself over the next few days. Thanks

MooMooSkit · 03/03/2013 20:04

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TheDoctrineOfSnatch · 03/03/2013 20:16

What an arse! Glad the police have been x

expatinscotland · 03/03/2013 20:18

Like most abusers, he got angry when his victim finally sussed him out. Git.

WomanCalledAlice · 03/03/2013 20:34

Thank you everyone.

Piglet, swift backhander to the face. Then I heard the neighbour shout at him to stop it. So he grabbed my hair and tried to pull me inside. I think I'm in shock, how quickly things have changed in 2 days. Just want to see the kids now. Waiting on my dad picking me and the dog up.

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SolidGoldBrass · 03/03/2013 20:37

Oh you poor girl, what a total shit this man is. Still, he's a stupid one who has made it blindingly obvious to other people what he's like, so it will be a simple process to get rid of him.

blackcurrants · 03/03/2013 20:38

I have been lurking, but had to post and say how impressed i am by how you have dealt with all this. So very sorry he assaulted you again, but how handy the bastard did out in front of a witness.
Wishing you a restful few days with your parents.x

SquinkiesRule · 03/03/2013 20:38

Aww Alice thats just awful, stay safe and know that you have lots of love and support right here. I'm so glad the neighbor was outside and is giving a statement. Very un MN hugs to you. It all went downhill so fast It must have left you reeling.

Catmint · 03/03/2013 20:49

Have no advice for you Alice but want to say I think you are doing amazingly well. I admire you so much, what a woman. Well done, I hope you feel able to let your family look after you a bit.

pigletmania · 03/03/2013 20:52

Wow Alice that is bloody awful Sad. There are some great advice on here good luck