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Support for those in Emotionally Abusive relationships: 17

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foolonthehill · 17/02/2013 13:51

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
a check list Use this site for some concise diagnostic lists and support
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
why financial abuse is domestic violenceAre you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
20 signs you're with a controlling and/or abusive partner Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans ? He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans - Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels - The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie - If you a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being Co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out ? You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.
heart to heart a wealth of information and personal experiences drawn together in one place

what couples therapy does for abusers

If you find that he really wants to change
should I stay or should I go bonus materials this is a site containing the material for men who want to change?please don?t give him the link?print out the content for him to work through.

The Bill of Rights
bill of rights here is what you should expect as a starting point for your treatment in a relationship, as you will of course be treating others!!

OP posts:
minkembra · 23/02/2013 03:23

hey all. re. experience of people in RL not understanding or believing. the shit thing is i told my mates and they all said either yes we know or we suspected. only one said i had no idea. and of course my mum who has been the one to consistently tell me to go back to him every time it has been on rocks.

made me feel both supported and when more of an idiot for being the last to know.

even members of his family have been either neutral or positive about my decision.
not that i mentioned the a word to them!

minkembra · 23/02/2013 03:24

when even more

minkembra · 23/02/2013 03:29

on a totally different note...i was out tonight...until 3! i even looked not half bad;-) and had a nice time.

weird about the snogging. this also my least kissing relationship. if i went to kiss him he would offer me his cheek more often than not. if he did kiss in bed it was either like a fifties film kiss or else poking his tongue into my mouth in a disturbing way. never thought about it before. maybe that is another bingo.

feel disloyal for saying it tho.

TisILeclerc · 23/02/2013 08:38

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Hissy · 23/02/2013 09:16

My ex refused to kiss me, as punishment for having had previous boyfriends.

I'd never realised this was a common trait!

Hissy · 23/02/2013 09:19

My lovely boyf is VERY kissy though! Grin

minkembra · 23/02/2013 10:13

it is like a syndrome. some of the common traits seem obvious, like shouting or moody. but where on earth does the kissing thing come from?!?

although from previous posts i seem to be the only one lucky enough to have one who did the word cyclical extremes thing - like no exercise or marathon running, either overheating smoking etc. or dieting giving up fags booze crisps cakes and anything else who could think of all at the same time.

any of yours completely useless at getting on with stuff? ex would fix something non essential very quickly like usually when we were trying to go out but has left hole in floor of his house for about 7 years now. funnily enough it is my fault of courseHmm

minkembra · 23/02/2013 10:13

word cyclica weird cyclical

minkembra · 23/02/2013 10:15

ex used to be great kisser of course...when we first met...

DoFuckOffDear · 23/02/2013 11:02

The kissing thing must be another of those compulsory lessons at the fw charm school.
Fw is the same, lots of kissing at first with the stabby tongue thing, now he just kind of puts his mouth on mine but doesn't move his lips at all.
I got quite freaked by it the first time and actually bit him to get him off Sad

EternalRose · 23/02/2013 11:42

I'm glad I am not the only one that feels wierded out by the kissing. It would be way too spitty and overwhelmingly intense 'shudder'. No, just no.

FairyFi · 23/02/2013 12:19

yy the stabby tongue eeeeuuuwww too spitty too yuuurrr

AliceDoesntLiveHereAnymore · 23/02/2013 13:05

Wow. Nothing guaranteed to make you feel even lower than to be invisible.

FairyFi · 23/02/2013 13:32

Alice ?

FairyFi · 23/02/2013 15:46

ARe you ok Alice?

AliceDoesntLiveHereAnymore · 23/02/2013 15:50

No, not okay. But cannot bear to feel invisible here as well. Support a bit thin on the ground in my neck of the woods.

TisILeclerc · 23/02/2013 16:04

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AliceDoesntLiveHereAnymore · 23/02/2013 16:15

I don't want to "shout" for help as I'm not getting physically beat up or financially abused. I'm not going to be killed. Just worn down daily by being shouted at and having to step in when he is shouting at the children. Not able to get down time at all and never able to leave the children with him because I can't trust him with them. Having to listen to him going off about everything under the sun, but being told that my negative attitude is going to ruin the day if I am stressed or upset. Knowing that I am going to be classed as the bad guy by H and his family as he has serious health concerns, and if I tell him to leave I'll be "kicking him when he's down." He'll lose his job(no transport, and quite honestly lately no initiative to keep going in his job), he'll stop going to counselling, and it'll be my fault (in their opinion).

He's over at SILs right now. The same woman that has been dreadfully unkind to me and my DC, and he says he doesn't want to be stuck in the middle. He says he is on my side regarding her, but still goes over to her house for family social events (even though I cannot go as it's always something that our children can't go to for various reasons).

I told him that his family treats me like I'm nobody, and he treats me like I'm nobody (when he is shouting at me and the DCs), and I cannot cope with it anymore.

So I'm not shouting... just slowly falling apart.

arthriticfingers · 23/02/2013 16:25

Alice :(
Keep posting.
Sometimes it feels like we have said more than we have because we are so used to keeping it all in.
But everyone here knows what falling apart feels like.

MaggieOnTheSofa · 23/02/2013 16:31

Hugs Alice please don't feel unwanted on here, we are always here for you. Stay strong, even though it may not feel like it you are doing an amazing job of coping. Millions of other women would have crumbled by now under the circumstances. Be kind to yourself. I know its hard when no resbite from kids and have inlaws and other in RL not having a clue what's going on. Last september this is how I felt. I started dropping hints to them all over the months and I think now when I do leave they won't be surprised. As for the others-the much older generation, there is nothing I can do to prepare them for their perfect grandson suddenly being alone so I know I will be the baddy but it sometimes gets to a point where you and your kids are worth it more than these other RL people. You will get to that point. Know the trapped feeling you have right now, keep going, keep planning...baby steps. Take care Alice and please do shout or just give us a reminder nudge on here Smile

AliceDoesntLiveHereAnymore · 23/02/2013 16:36

I was stupid. I had him out and let him back. He's out now, although just for the night. I want to tell him not to come back, but am terrified of the utter rain of shit that will then fall all around.

But I know I can't go on like this. Can't stop crying and just feel horrible. And feel like a complete lunatic because so many on here have it much much worse.

FairyFi · 23/02/2013 16:43

thanks for coming back and sharing all that.

Would so want to say that I get where you are coming from, as I know it can be difficult to carry the burden of everything and the huge emotions and then don't feel as if you don't have a voice here, where there is so much emotion coming out and at times postings get missed, when feeling desperate for some feedback.

I think its cool that you've said so! Really cool!

the biggest thing I wanted to say tho is that he is not your fault its a struggle to get past that sometimes but he is an adult, and him not being responsible doesn't make you responsible. He is responsible for his own health, and some 'families' reinforce the sexist so strongly that the male is to be looked after more by the female than the other way round. I can't believe the looks of scorn from other females when I hadn't conformed to expecations of what I 'should' do for mine (now Ex FW)!

but like Maggie says well, they probably don't have a clue whats going on really, and if they understood would maybe be moving him out for you! Wink well lets hope anyway!

take care xx

FairyFi · 23/02/2013 16:47

and its impossible to compare. You are in utter pain, we've all experienced that pain and despair and emotional meltdowns.

The 'utter rain of shit' is not of your making, but it can feel impossible to stand up to. It doesn't need to be answered tho, just ignored, knowing that YOU know best hun... you do, you know that you can't go on living like this, you might not be able to fully put it into words yet, but that doesn't matter, all that matters is you cannot tolerate him a moment longer.

Ladies do leave for far far 'less' you know, just that personalities don't match or the relationship is not fulfililng for them, etc.. .not that they've had to suffer years of abuse! Feel strong lovely, we here validate the way that you are feeling and support you completely in your struggles to understand and act. take care xxx

MatchsticksForMyEyes · 23/02/2013 16:50

YY Fi. My SILs are no longer speaking to me as they just see me as having abandoned their poor brother. When I left last year (went back) one of them excused him shoving me onto the kitchen floor by saying although I was a great mum, I could do a much better job of keeping the house clean, maybe that was what had stressed him out so much.
I was obviously still too under this control then as didn't think "Balls to that!" It infuriates me now just thinking about it.

FairyFi · 23/02/2013 17:04

Shock Shock Shock Match and very Sad that our sisters look on their fellow sisters in this way.