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Support for those in Emotionally Abusive relationships: 17

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foolonthehill · 17/02/2013 13:51

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
a check list Use this site for some concise diagnostic lists and support
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
why financial abuse is domestic violenceAre you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
20 signs you're with a controlling and/or abusive partner Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans ? He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans - Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels - The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie - If you a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being Co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out ? You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.
heart to heart a wealth of information and personal experiences drawn together in one place

what couples therapy does for abusers

If you find that he really wants to change
should I stay or should I go bonus materials this is a site containing the material for men who want to change?please don?t give him the link?print out the content for him to work through.

The Bill of Rights
bill of rights here is what you should expect as a starting point for your treatment in a relationship, as you will of course be treating others!!

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MatchsticksForMyEyes · 21/02/2013 20:02

Yummy costs sounds about right. That's what I was quoted too, but we have come to an agreement between ourselves so won't be that much.
I could have written a lot of your post about the level of control over what seem like innocuous things. You will be a different woman once you are out, I promise you.

foolonthehill · 21/02/2013 20:16

I think that is a reasonable estimate for doing everything thru' solicitor. And worth every penny if your NSDH is not going to be helpful about anything

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ponygirlcurtis · 21/02/2013 20:44

I've been reading this thread www.mumsnet.com/Talk/_chat/a1687119-Which-posts-on-MN-do-you-think-will-always-stick-with-you for the last hour, and laughing hysterically. Only my laughing has quite often gone into hysterical crying - proper sobbing, rocking back and forth, gasping for breath. Anyone else get that? Or am i just really, really on the edge tonight?

NoraLuca · 21/02/2013 21:58

Night all Smile not been able to read all the posts since last time I was online but welcome to all the new people and keep on going! to all the oldies

Pony that thread is quite funny tbf. Maybe you were stressed anyway and it all came out when you relaxed enough to laugh? Fine line between laughing and crying sometimes.

I finally have my fridge! I got used to storing milk and butter on an outside windowsill like my great grandma used to...

H is being lovely, polite and kind since I left. He is how he used to be, way back when we first met. It's a bit unnerving to be honest.

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LemonDrizzled · 21/02/2013 22:10

Just catching up tonight and read the whole thread through with pride at how well so many of you are moving along. It is such a long journey from the first shocked posting that we, intelligent sparky ladies that we are, have fallen into such a trap and need to get out, to the relaxed meanderings of the escapee posting from her sofa with a glass of wine and a smile.

I saw KateDillington's post of page 2 belatedly, and I'm so glad things have moved on for you. He can't keep up the denial for ever. You need to get a bit annoyed with your solicitor if he has gone AWOL. You are paying him after all!

I am almost through the last hurdle. NearlyXFWH is pushing for the last mediation meeting to sort out finances and it is driving him crazy that the solicitors are taking so long to fix a date. Me, I am chilled and love watching him rant and blame everybody else for the delays when he tried to save money on the divorce and filled the forms out wrong

I still read the thread and post if i can think of something helpful to add. But three years on life is so different and I am in such a lovely relationship now with a man who cherishes me and adores me much to my surprise. I can wander off from the Relationships topic which has been my salvation and post about exercise and housekeeping and all sorts of normal stuff!

LemonDrizzled · 21/02/2013 22:14

Oh and Tis I think you are an amazing mum and your DS1 knows it and you have handled things perfectly! This is why you are being so strong, to give him a safe space to be himself and be happy and make mistakes without fear. Well done!

foolonthehill · 21/02/2013 22:28

lemon you give me hope! 16 months and counting since he went...maybe in another 16 I'll be sounding like you.
Cherish each FW free day....you more than deserve them my (virtual) friend!

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Lahti · 21/02/2013 22:36

Haven't read through since this morning but I spoke with the counsellor today which was really helpful. It gave me a bit if strength and this eve I told H that if he wanted any chance of me staying he needed to start counselling on his own and I wanted him to go to his mums for a few weeks to give me some space. He has agreed to counselling but not to go to his mums but has moved out of our bedroom. I told him the counselling for himself was non negotiable. I am still in shock that I just said it so matter of fact. We shall see what happens.

ponygirlcurtis · 21/02/2013 22:57

Lahti - well done. What was his reason for not moving out? Just plain stubbornness, or does he have some 'plan' for making things work?

Leclerc - you are fab. What a lovely time for DS1, and a lovely time for you to spend with him. Just perfect.

I saw counsellor yesterday - howled. Saw HV today - howled. Not in a great place right now. Will post at some point about it, but can't bring myself to right now. Haven't heard back from WA referral for DS1 yet, so HV going to refer him through education psychology at his school, because she's concerned about him. And really, I am too. How could he not be deeply, deeply hurt that FW doesn't want to see him any more? (Even though I've never explicitly said that, DS1 keeps asking 'tell me again why I'm not seeing FW any more', as if the answer I give doesn't fit right probably because it's a fudge )

Sending love and hugs to everyone out there dealing with FWs and the trail of destruction they leave in their wakes. We deserve better. (But I am struggling to believe that for me right now. Sad)

Lahti · 21/02/2013 23:04

pony he feels that if he moved out it would affect DD negatively and also his mum may be less likely to continue childcare for us. I am not altogether convinced about these reasons but we shall see.

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Noonelistens · 21/02/2013 23:53

Nora - yay for the fridge
Leclerc - you sound like you're handling ds perfectly
Pony - it's good to let it out. Hope you get the help for ds1. Can he see that fw is a fw? Is he old enough to understand that it's fws fault and not his?

I'm going away with h for the weekend. Couldn't think of a good reason not to. But no Internet so no mn for 3 days. I'm not taking my journal either cos I can't risk him finding it.

FairyFi · 22/02/2013 00:55

Pony yy to the crying for me, as things have come up and overwhelmed, and the crying can feel very overwhelming, including the rocking yes, its very basic and deep at your source of pain, comfort yourself hun; it s very draining, so expect to feel a bit shell shocked for some time, maybe the next day, and weary. Sometimes its hard to get to that release, and laughing hysterically can get to it, but its good, hun, and its the start of change deep within you. It wont hurt you and its very cleansing. just take care of yourself and it passes and you move on.

TheSilveryPussycat · 22/02/2013 10:24

Oh yes I often knew I needed a cry, I used to cry at the drop of a hat when younger, but had moved on from depressed to stressed after issuing divorce petition - which probably made it harder.

All the better when it did come though.

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arthriticfingers · 22/02/2013 10:59

Flippin' 'eck [anger]
and, yes, another FW letter all about (and there are no prizes for guessing this one) FW!
Particularly like the bit about 'triggering' and just how far from responsibility is that?
Mind you, also liked the bit about the psychotherapist; we all know how much FWs like the focus of attention to be entirely on them; what better place than in private psychotherapy?
The bit about 'permission' was pretty good, too, implying that he has been forbidded from doing so.
Why don't all FWs just f off to the far side of f?
Answer - they are probably having having such a good time they see absolutely no reason to stop now (sorry Freddy - no slurs meant)

arthriticfingers · 22/02/2013 11:00

That should be Angry
Here's another one for good measure Angry

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DoFuckOffDear · 22/02/2013 11:50

Day 6 of the sulk. Fw is still sleeping on the sofa, I am still camping out in the bedroom, which actually feels quite decadent, lazing in bed all evening puffing on my e-cig.

Making for plans for weekend, just me and Dd. Fw will have sd2 on sunday, not a bad kid, she's 16, but way too used to his outbursts!! It's his gd's birthday (sd1's dc) so he'll throw some money in that direction but not spend anytime with them.
He doesn't like sd1's partner (in fairness no-one else does either) because........ he's abusive, yep fw you did a good job lowering your dd's expectation of a normal relationship.

FairyFi · 22/02/2013 12:13

oh dear DFOD Sad for your SD1's relationship Sad the result of her father's grooming... mmm glad you're managing to enjoy his sulk! (revelling in your decadence) Wink

Leclerc its so obviously all about him and how's he miraculously all better in the last months! Your father seems to be his route to you and back into your relationship?! Its his only way of convincing everyone of his lack of responsibility and way of lying his way out balancing the story more in his favour in light of recent developments of his making. Trying to speak to SS, etc. Trying to do everything to prove hes just fine and the kids are lying!!??! awful pig. So scary that he still refuses to see his extreme and excess physical and mood over something requiring complete nonchalence, in his words 'a tap on the head' - what for FW???? Angry similar expletives shared with friend last night Grin Grin 'knob' was used to point of abuse (the word, you understand!!!) and 'bell-end' was another, and 'anker' lots too. Good words... tick oh so many more!

yummytummy · 22/02/2013 12:38

leclerc that is awful these fw's really are messed up in the head and they actually do believe all the crap they come out with.

as for me i am weakening again as he actually said bye to me this morning which is a big deal as he has been blanking me since the hairbrush incident which of course was my fault. its awful as anything which is vaguely normal feels like heaven after a bad few days so you lap it up. i feel bad that i will be hurting him by getting an injunction order etc even though i know what he does isnt right but you just get used to it so it becomes your normal.

any strength or empowerment i had yesterday is gone and i feel firmly in my place again am annoyed with myself for being so weak.