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The Brave Babes Battle Bus - Boinging Into Spring, With A Dance And A Sing!

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Mouseface · 16/02/2013 20:58

Hello, tis me, Mouse and I'm one of the regular travellers on this Bus!

This is a Bus for drinkers, the completely sober, those fighting to stay sober and everyone in between! No matter what, you're welcome here if you feel you don't like the way you drink anymore, or you're worried for someone else.

Take a seat.

You'll be listened to, looked after and maybe (if you're lucky), slapped with our resident Squid, Barry Grin whom I'm sure you'll meet in time!

So, what have you got to lose by posting? What have you got to lose by coming to say hello and telling us why you don't like the way you drink anymore?

And, if you'd like to see where we've been so far HERE IS THE LAST THREAD

And the reason we're ALL here in the first place, the first ever thread is ALL HERE

See you soon Smile xx

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obrigada · 09/03/2013 10:42

One week alcohol free completed:) thats 7 days since I overindulged last friday night. Go me:)

Ladame · 09/03/2013 12:10

Hi brave babes, I just read this and it's brilliant www.guardian.co.uk/culture/2013/mar/09/russell-brand-life-without-drugs (sorry not sure how to do clever link thingy). Very well written and will speak to us all, I'm sure. Still on the bus, on the roof-rack of controlled (mostly) drinking and fairly happy with things. Still got an empty nest and raging menopause, but the three or four nights off is so much better than my usual bottle-a-night habit. Have a good weekend brave girls xxxx

LibertineLover · 09/03/2013 12:12

Oh got drunk last night :( had forgotten that last weekend had promised a friend we would go out this Friday, she was so excited when she rang I couldn't say no, so didn't jsut have a couple, had far too many. Feel like crap today :(

Mouseface · 09/03/2013 15:39

Afternoon, tis me, Mouse

Libs - I'm sorry you are feeling ill and rough, you've managed 3+ AF days before, you can do it again if you want to. Water, paracetamol and peace and quiet if you can? Try to eat something stodgy and not drink anymore alcohol or am I too late in asking that? Hair of the dog and all? Or Mouse in my case..... ;)

Do you think you wanted an excuse last night to drink? If you're totally honest? Is everything okay in RL?

Dame - well done on cutting down as much as you have! What an achievement :)

Obrigada - well done you! Soon racks up doesn't it? The days will be under your belt but you know it!!

Nemo is getting another cold, I'm still going into school with him because of major separation issues...... no doubt I will home edding him at this rate. Mind you school SENCO is brilliant and new DD for a year, as her normal class teacher, she is spot on for him. :)

Ooops, jobs to do, back later lovely Brave babes xx

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Ladame · 09/03/2013 16:46

Mouse Thanks! It is so much better for me to have several days off. I admit that I never wanted to stop completely, esp now that it's just me and himself at home and we have always had the end of the day glass of wine thing going on. But, he is also having the same days off as me and we are both feeling much better. In a way, I am enjoying my nights 'on' so much more as I don't feel so guilty. I have found it easier than I thought and usually have four nights off with no problem. I haven't got my smarty/smug pants on, please believe me when I say that through the years I have had long wearying battles with the Wine Witch - also my Dad was an alcoholic and it made me ashamed to be so like him - and I feel (and admire) all brave babes in whatever stage they are for making the effort to do something about it. It is the hardest thing to beat (whether stopping or significantly cutting down), that all of you deserve to know how great you are to make your fists and to square up to a considerable battle, some of you have young kids, money problems, health problems and relationship problems and if you can still fight your corner, I admire each and every one of you.

I remember Koala Kube posting just about the time that I made my first post and I am so impressed by her achievement. But every story, right from the beginning has helped me to get to this point. xx Thank you all.

Mouseface · 09/03/2013 17:00

Good on you Libertine!! You too will get there, wherever there is for YOU. Keep fighting, keep trying, keep getting back up when you get knocked down...... it's worth it, it really is. :) xx

I'm having a cider and some crisps. DH is cooking tonight (after cutting the rest of a dead tree up and then doing everything tomorrow so I plan not have to clean tomorrow at all, trying to get it all sorted today, bedding, uniforms, homework, tidying etc....

I will be chilling tomorrow! Make me! If I post that I'm off to do anything like cleaning someone has to shout at me! Grin

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determinedma · 09/03/2013 17:23

Dd2 home and dh ignoring her. Blood will be spilt this night and it won't be hers.....
Her best friends family have been sheltering her and have been lovely. She can stay as long as she likes. She has a long talk with them as she was upset and crying Sad and the mum said " is there anything going on between your mum and dad because it sounds like he's projecting his frustration and anger on to you". God, now I feel so guilty. I can carry on standing my ground and refusing to be browbeaten by him and refusing to be pressured into having sex with him and then dd gets the backlash, or I can roll over - literally and metaphorically- and then things are better for her?

Mouseface · 09/03/2013 17:50

Ma - NONONONONONONONONO!!! Don't you dare give into that misogynistic twat. He's a fucking bully. An absolute nasty piece of work. He should NOT be taking ANYTHING out on his own DD. What a bastard. You stand and you fight for your DD Ma

Yes, your marriage is over and has been for some time in your life but he thinks that if he pushes you hard enough, hurting DD and using her to get to you he'll get what he wants. WRONG!

Jeff on a bike I could swing for him. He is pathetic and childish. What kind of a father does that to his own flesh and blood. He's bang out of order and if others (okay they know your DD well) are picking this up then it's time for action.

You have to tell him that this stops and it stops NOW.

Is DD2 staying at home tonight or going back out again later? You poor bloody woman, you are in the firing line as per. I'm so so so sorry. You don;t deserve this shit.

I have to bath Nemo but will be back. Lots of love to you Ma - please don't engage with any mind games or blackmail. Leave him alone and concentrate on the DCs.

Take care of you tonight and take it an hour at a time if need be.... back later xx

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Silver66 · 09/03/2013 17:57

ma i just wanted you to know that I am thinking of you xxx

determinedma · 09/03/2013 18:28

She is going back out to see her best friend Nick, who came home from uni this week specially to see her to cheer her up. They will bring her back home later tonight. Nick is very special to her although they are not dating. She said "Everything feels all right when Nick is there". He sounds lovely. Dh is on a sleepover tomorrow night at work so tomorrow will be OK. He will probably try it on with me. When he gets nowhere, we will get the tears, and maybe the full mental breakdown as before. Meh.
silver good to hear from you. Come and drive this bloody bus somewhere. I fancy a windswept beach where I can walk and be at peace.

ohcluttergotme · 09/03/2013 19:20

Ladame, great post & amazing well done for all that you have achieved.
MA life sounds unbearably hard for you. Your poor dd must not know what's going on. I hope you find the strength to keep going & to find a way that means you are happy.
I popped into my dm's this afternoon, she was quite hungover then pouring herself a drink & I just saw in her my alcoholic grandfather. Twas rather depressing :(
Day 28, no wine tonight
Love & strength babes xx

aliasjoey · 09/03/2013 19:49

ma aww sounds terrible to be stuck in the middle between the 2 of them, mouse is right, he is acting like an idiot.

Yesterday I had one small bottle of wine (250ml) which I managed by leaving the other one in the car. I can't remember the last time I deliberately had such a small amount. Not sleeping too well, fatigue has returned, and I just thought it would be best to only have that. Amazing, but I didn't actually crave any more, it really was enough. Smile

determinedma · 09/03/2013 20:01

I am making a book of things. Cutting and sticking and writing. So far I have a picture of Driftwood on Camusdarach Beach on Arisaig, and a very bad drawing of the green glass lantern which hangs in the sitting room. It is keeping me occupied and amused. I am also drinking.

PurpleWolfe · 09/03/2013 21:34

Ma Just popping in to send love and hugs and to say I'm thinking of you. xx

determinedma · 09/03/2013 22:13

Off to bed. Hopefully both clinging to opposite sides with a chasm between us. Prefer that to his idea of "making up"

Mouseface · 09/03/2013 22:22

Ma - I'm going to bed now my lovely. I can imagine you sat there with your book, glue and picture memories. You are a woman with the right to be safe in your own home, as is DD. This has to stop, your DH making you feel insignificant the whole time.

You have a right to be safe, happy and free from this abuse, mental or otherwise. You are strong. Use that strength to fight this bump in the road to your freedom.

I can't blame you for drinking, I've been in your shoes. Abuse is a strong word..... yes, but we both know that this is abuse of many kinds.

Please Ma - for tonight, fill your book up, and hold those images close to your heart. Know that we're all here for you, not judging, just hoping that you will sleep once DH goes to bed and sleeps too.

Goodnight BraveBabe - you will be loved and safe, one day xxxxxxxxx

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PurpleWolfe · 09/03/2013 22:26

Yup Ma, what Mouse says Sweetpea. (( ))

aliasjoey · 09/03/2013 23:00

lovely mouse so kind and thoughtful of others.

ma just know that there are lots of caring people who are thinking about you tonight.

ohcluttergotme · 10/03/2013 08:36

Happy Mothers day to all the lovely, brave Mums.
I'm in bed with a cup of tea reading Allen Carr, very interesting & want to keep reading but probably not being a very good mummy to my 3 year old so 'sigh' suppose I better get up! Smile x

PurpleWolfe · 10/03/2013 09:05

Russell Brand's article from the Guardian. The last paragraph made me cry.

Happy Mother's Day Babes

The last time I thought about taking heroin was yesterday. I had received "an inconvenient truth" from a beautiful woman. It wasn't about climate change ? I'm not that ecologically switched on ? she told me she was pregnant and it wasn't mine.

I had to take immediate action. I put Morrissey on in my car as an external conduit for the surging melancholy, and as I wound my way through the neurotic Hollywood hills, the narrow lanes and tight bends were a material echo of the synaptic tangle where my thoughts stalled and jammed.

Morrissey, as ever, conducted a symphony, within and without and the tidal misery burgeoned. I am becoming possessed. The part of me that experienced the negative data, the self, is becoming overwhelmed, I can no longer see where I end and the pain begins. So now I have a choice.

I cannot accurately convey to you the efficiency of heroin in neutralising pain. It transforms a tight, white fist into a gentle, brown wave. From my first inhalation 15 years ago, it fumigated my private hell and lay me down in its hazy pastures and a bathroom floor in Hackney embraced me like a womb.

This shadow is darkly cast on the retina of my soul and whenever I am dislodged from comfort my focus falls there.

It is 10 years since I used drugs or drank alcohol and my life has improved immeasurably. I have a job, a house, a cat, good friendships and generally a bright outlook.

The price of this is constant vigilance because the disease of addiction is not rational. Recently for the purposes of a documentary on this subject I reviewed some footage of myself smoking heroin that my friend had shot as part of a typically exhibitionist attempt of mine to get clean.

I sit wasted and slumped with an unacceptable haircut against a wall in another Hackney flat (Hackney is starting to seem like part of the problem) inhaling fizzy, black snakes of smack off a scrap of crumpled foil. When I saw the tape a month or so ago, what is surprising is that my reaction is not one of gratitude for the positive changes I've experienced but envy at witnessing an earlier version of myself unencumbered by the burden of abstinence. I sat in a suite at the Savoy hotel, in privilege, resenting the woeful ratbag I once was, who, for all his problems, had drugs. That is obviously irrational.

The mentality and behaviour of drug addicts and alcoholics is wholly irrational until you understand that they are completely powerless over their addiction and unless they have structured help they have no hope.

This is the reason I have started a fund within Comic Relief, Give It Up. I want to raise awareness of, and money for, abstinence-based recovery. It was Kevin Cahill's idea, he is the bloke who runs Comic Relief. He called me when he read an article I wrote after Amy Winehouse died. Her death had a powerful impact on me I suppose because it was such an obvious shock, like watching someone for hours through a telescope, seeing them advance towards you, fist extended with the intention of punching you in the face. Even though I saw it coming, it still hurt when it eventually hit me.

What was so painful about Amy's death is that I know that there is something I could have done. I could have passed on to her the solution that was freely given to me. Don't pick up a drink or drug, one day at a time. It sounds so simple. It actually is simple but it isn't easy: it requires incredible support and fastidious structuring. Not to mention that the whole infrastructure of abstinence based recovery is shrouded in necessary secrecy. There are support fellowships that are easy to find and open to anyone who needs them but they eschew promotion of any kind in order to preserve the purity of their purpose, which is for people with alcoholism and addiction to help one another stay clean and sober.

Without these fellowships I would take drugs. Because, even now, the condition persists. Drugs and alcohol are not my problem, reality is my problem, drugs and alcohol are my solution.

If this seems odd to you it is because you are not an alcoholic or a drug addict. You are likely one of the 90% of people who can drink and use drugs safely. I have friends who can smoke weed, swill gin, even do crack and then merrily get on with their lives. For me, this is not an option. I will relinquish all else to ride that buzz to oblivion. Even if it began as a timid glass of chardonnay on a ponce's yacht, it would end with me necking the bottle, swimming to shore and sprinting to Bethnal Green in search of a crack house. I look to drugs and booze to fill up a hole in me; unchecked, the call of the wild is too strong. I still survey streets for signs of the subterranean escapes that used to provide my sanctuary. I still eye the shuffling subclass of junkies and dealers, invisibly gliding between doorways through the gutters. I see that dereliction can survive in opulence; the abundantly wealthy with destitution in their stare.

Spurred by Amy's death, I've tried to salvage unwilling victims from the mayhem of the internal storm and I am always, always, just pulled inside myself. I have a friend so beautiful, so haunted by talent that you can barely look away from her, whose smile is such a treasure that I have often squandered my sanity for a moment in its glow. Her story is so galling that no one would condemn her for her dependency on illegal anesthesia, but now, even though her life is trying to turn around despite her, even though she has genuine opportunities for a new start, the gutter will not release its prey. The gutter is within. It is frustrating to watch. It is frustrating to love someone with this disease.

A friend of mine's brother cannot stop drinking. He gets a few months of sobriety and his inner beauty, with the obstacles of his horrible drunken behaviour pushed aside by the presence of a programme, begins to radiate. His family bask relieved, in the joy of their returned loved one, his life gathers momentum but then he somehow forgets the price of this freedom, returns to his old way of thinking, picks up a drink and Mr Hyde is back in the saddle. Once more his brother's face is gaunt and hopeless. His family blame themselves and wonder what they could have done differently, racking their minds for a perfect sentiment; wrapped up in the perfect sentence, a magic bullet to sear right through the toxic fortress that has incarcerated the person they love and restore them to sanity. The fact is, though, that they can't, the sufferer must, of course, be a willing participant in their own recovery. They must not pick up a drink or drug, one day at a time. Just don't pick up, that's all.

It is difficult to feel sympathy for these people. It is difficult to regard some bawdy drunk and see them as sick and powerless. It is difficult to suffer the selfishness of a drug addict who will lie to you and steal from you and forgive them and offer them help. Can there be any other disease that renders its victims so unappealing? Would Great Ormond Street be so attractive a cause if its beds were riddled with obnoxious little criminals that had "brought it on themselves"?

Peter Hitchens is a vocal adversary of mine on this matter. He sees this condition as a matter of choice and the culprits as criminals who should go to prison. I know how he feels. I bet I have to deal with a lot more drug addicts than he does, let's face it. I share my brain with one, and I can tell you firsthand, they are total fucking wankers. Where I differ from Peter is in my belief that if you regard alcoholics and drug addicts not as bad people but as sick people then we can help them to get better. By we, I mean other people who have the same problem but have found a way to live drug-and-alcohol-free lives. Guided by principles and traditions a programme has been founded that has worked miracles in millions of lives. Not just the alcoholics and addicts themselves but their families, their friends and of course society as a whole.

What we want to do with Give It Up is popularise a compassionate perception of drunks and addicts, and provide funding for places at treatment centres where they can get clean using these principles. Then, once they are drug-and-alcohol-free, to make sure they retain contact with the support that is available to keep them clean. I know that as you read this you either identify with it yourself or are reminded of someone who you love who cannot exercise control over substances. I want you to know that the help that was available to me, the help upon which my recovery still depends is available.

I wound down the hill in an alien land, Morrissey chanted lonely mantras, the pain quickly accumulated incalculably, and I began to weave the familiar tapestry that tells an old, old story. I think of places I could score. Off Santa Monica there's a homeless man who I know uses gear. I could find him, buy him a bag if he takes me to score.

I leave him on the corner, a couple of rocks, a couple of $20 bags pressed into my sweaty palm. I get home, I pull out the foil, neatly torn. I break the bottom off a Martell miniature. I have cigarettes, using makes me need fags. I make a pipe for the rocks with the bottle. I lay a strip of foil on the counter to chase the brown. I pause to reflect and regret that I don't know how to fix, only smoke, feeling inferior even in the manner of my using. I see the foil scorch. I hear the crackle from which crack gets it's name. I feel the plastic fog hit the back of my yawning throat. Eyes up. Back relaxing, the bottle drops and the greedy bliss eats my pain. There is no girl, there is no tomorrow, there is nothing but the bilious kiss of the greedy bliss.

Even as I spin this beautifully dreaded web, I am reaching for my phone. I call someone: not a doctor or a sage, not a mystic or a physician, just a bloke like me, another alcoholic, who I know knows how I feel. The phone rings and I half hope he'll just let it ring out. It's 4am in London. He's asleep, he can't hear the phone, he won't pick up. I indicate left, heading to Santa Monica. The ringing stops, then the dry mouthed nocturnal mumble: "Hello. You all right mate?"

He picks up.

And for another day, thank God, I don't have to.

determinedma · 10/03/2013 09:46

Oh what a fabulous article. Where can I can I find a link to it so I can send it to my brother?
Thank you all for your kind thoughts. Please be assured i am safe. I tried to make conversation this morning, was snapped at so just said " I really can't be arsed with you any more". He has gone to work now and won't be home until tomorrow. Snowing heavily here too so there goes plans for a walk on the beach...

PurpleWolfe · 10/03/2013 09:53

Ma It's on The Guardian on-line web page. So much of what he says is relevant to me - especially the last bit. Hope your day goes well Lovely. xxxx

Ladame · 10/03/2013 10:37

Ma I sent the link a couple of posts back x Hope you are in a better place today xx

fullofhopefullness · 10/03/2013 11:04

Good luck ma! Clutter acarr def helped me. Im now down to couple glasses 1 day a week and feeling great. Going to try the 5 2 diet. I think it may be like when I gave up smoking ie I took up major exercise routines at same time and psychologically linked all the benefits to lack of smoking. Heres hoping anyway!!!

jesuswhatnext · 10/03/2013 11:44

morning!

MA - what mouse said!! take care my friend. love you very much you stranger in far off scotland! Smile

i have admired russell brand and his honest writing fro a long time - there is something within aa that talks about 'seeking low company' when we are actively drinking, i find this a very true and accurate disscription of how i behaved, i do seek out the nasty spit and sawdust pubs, i can spend hours in one, drinking to get drunk with the people who spend all day in there Sad me! i generally live a high ole life, nice cars, nice clothes, nice friends, posh hotels.. - i dont know what it is, why i miss it Sad but like russell i can 'feel' a need to just go and do it sometimes, i feel resentful and angry that i cant go back in my 'favourite' shitty pub and and reach oblivion, it really pisses me off some days and tb totally honest some days it is almost an agony and no amount of fucking wonderful soberity can actually make up for the fact that i cant, i want to scream and shout and rip my hair and just fucking die, i dont often talk about those days, it dosent help me, just compounds the feelings really, so i just keep on with another day and hope i make it! blimey that sounds miserable! Grin its not all bad! i reckon that 98% of the time i just bowl along nicely thank you - i just wish i could loose the addict in me though!

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