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Mumsnet has not checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. If you need help urgently or expert advice, please see our domestic violence webguide and/or relationships webguide. Many Mumsnetters experiencing domestic abuse have found this thread helpful: Listen up, everybody

Support thread for those in Emotionally abusive relationships :15

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foolonthehill · 09/01/2013 18:20

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
a check list Use this site for some concise diagnostic lists and support
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
why financial abuse is domestic violenceAre you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
20 signs you're with a controlling and/or abusive partner Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans ? He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans - Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels - The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie - If you a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being Co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out ? You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.
heart to heart a wealth of information and personal experiences drawn together in one place

what couples therapy does for abusers

If you find that he really wants to change
should I stay or should I go bonus materials this is a site containing the material for men who want to change?please don?t give him the link?print out the content for him to work through.

The Bill of Rights
bill of rights here is what you should expect as a starting point for your treatment in a relationship, as you will of course be treating others!!

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TryBreatheTwinkleFly · 14/01/2013 02:02

Thank you I feel calmer and much more ok every time I read a supportive msg on here. Xxxx

TryBreatheTwinkleFly · 14/01/2013 02:05

Tomorrow= explaining to job and school why we're not there, sol, ss but worst of all facing up to enraged and abandoned (in his fw mind) fw Hmm plus where do we go. Feck. Flat not avail till feb. but mum here and strangely I feel more secure than I have for years even tho am temp out on street!

MaggieMay05 · 14/01/2013 02:20

Oh lovely, try and make a list of everything you need to do and just take it step by step. You really don't need to see FW tomorrow if you're not ready to. Is it possible to stay with DM for a few weeks? Thank god you had secured the flat and have somewhere to go in feb. DC will need lots of hugs in the morn, hope they will be ok, sending hugs for them, your wonderful DM and a massive massive hug for you-you are now not just trying but flying lovely lady and soon it won't be so windy up there and you will glide along to happiness Smile. Apologies for the last sentence this shite sofa has turned me into a right cheeseball! Try and sleep if you can, we are behind you every single step of the way xxx

TryBreatheTwinkleFly · 14/01/2013 02:30

Mags that wasn't cheese at all it was luffly it stretched my cheeks out smiling hugely xxxxx thank you. God knows what next eh. I need my job but will call boss in am and ask for unpaid leave maybe. School can hang for s few weeks, they're only young. Oh the thought of being safe and loved at my dm's cosy house Smile yy I think you're right there! Xxx

MaggieMay05 · 14/01/2013 02:57

Hope work will be ok with you, if you don't want to go into detail you could say a family emergency or even a death in family situation so could give you that extra time off without having to explain yourself. Re school they should be fine too, you could even use same excuse, ask if you can collect any work they will miss out on. You will be safe at DMs house and will be able to make that transition calmly and safly to new flat from there. In some ways he has given you the opening to leave by kicking off, his timing was a few weeks early but hey! He now can't turn around and play the victim to all in RL saying you just up and left out of the blue so has basically shot himself in the foot Smile. I'm going to try and sleep now with my broken back on this bloody sofa! I am defo leaving this behind when I escape! Hope you are already sleeping, tomorrow is the first day of the rest of your life, the happy life you and DC truly deserve ((hugs)) x

MatchsticksForMyEyes · 14/01/2013 06:52

Try, your exit sounds very much like mine. I told school that the marriage had been bad for a while, but that we were out and safe.
Don't see him alone. You have done such a brave thing. I didn't get my house until 2wks after we left. Can you stay with family?
Get to the solicitor ASAP so he knows you're serious. It took my fw took weeks to realise I hadn't just had a big strop. You are going to be fine and so much more relaxes living apart from him!

TisILeclerc · 14/01/2013 07:35

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HappyNewHissy · 14/01/2013 07:41

It is a good thing Try, it's a beginning.

Stay strong, don't go back, no matter what.

TryBreatheTwinkleFly · 14/01/2013 08:45

Thank Leclerc and hissy for support and encouragement. Waking this morning in a strange hotel bed in room with dcs and dm was a shock. And i gad huge wave of wobbly fear The first thing I did was come on here to feel validated and boosted by you lovely lot, I knew it would set me right and it has xxx

MatchsticksForMyEyes · 14/01/2013 09:01

You've done the hardest part. Now steel yourself for the classic tears then anger that are sure to follow. Stay strong. I know it is scary as hell right now, but it does get better I promise.

arthriticfingers · 14/01/2013 09:07

Try just sending support this morning.Well done! and have a and one for you DM who came to get you and take you to safety and a new start.

doingtwelvethingsatonce · 14/01/2013 09:14

Try Oh my word I am so sorry! I wanted so badly to come on and post a message of support earlier but couldn't as H was around and couldn't risk logging on until now when he's out for a short time.

You're bound to feel a bit wobbly here and there but as it sinks in that you've taken the biggest step, I think you will just feel stronger and stronger. I'm so glad that you are safe.

Don't go to face him or see him alone! It's not safe and it leaves you open to manipulation (and threats). Well done on you for getting you and your children out safely! for you all!

Must go for now but will try to come on again later today. I can lurk now and again but not post unless H is occupied or out.

TeapotofDoom · 14/01/2013 09:35

try you have done the right thing. Just wanted to give you my support. You will have a whole new and wonderful life, soon. Don't let the FW talk you into going back into a dangerous situation. Get advice and help and focus on the practical. X

PrincessFionne · 14/01/2013 10:16

This is the first day of the rest of your life, and you have saved you all! so glad you managed to sleep, I remember my night like that too, and I only managed a very few hours as had been so wired from all the tension. You will get it all in order now and everyone can help. HUGE HUGS BRAVE LADY!!!
Welling up here at your amazingness. You can comfort and care for your DC's and yourself all the way back to peace and happpiness now. agree tpot v dangerous to go back into that. ((more hugs for you all))

MaggieMay05 · 14/01/2013 10:19

Remember honey, work through that list one step at a time this morning, you can do it, you are strong xx

Everyone I don't think we should call this lovely lady Try anymore, it should be Fly now! Grin

ponygirlcurtis · 14/01/2013 11:11

try, I haven't read all, have just come online for first time and seen that you are out. My heart is in my mouth for you, but am relieved you are safe. And glad. So, so glad that you are out, because even though I know you were planning to go, he's a FW and leaving earlier can only be a good thing. Hope you and DCs are ok after your horrible, scary experience, sending you hugs, much love and a special 'ohhhhhhhm' from the commune, to be accessed when you feel ready. Will go back now and read through, but just wanted to send you support and let you know I'm thinking of you.

TheSilveryTinsellyPussycat · 14/01/2013 11:21

try/fly sorry had gone to bed before your later night postings. Thank goodness you are out, you stayed resourceful (ringing your DM, getting kids to door etc) and did it.

should he happen to make more suicide threats please don't hesitate to report these to the police - it is their job to worry about these things, not yours.

TisILeclerc · 14/01/2013 11:30

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foolonthehill · 14/01/2013 12:40

(((((((((((hug)))))))))))try

no matter what you do these FWs always make it worse. sorry for you/your DCs but he brought this on himself and you are now safe.

Stay away from him...that level of violence is terrifying and it takes nothing for them to turn it from themselves and onto you/DCs.

much love

PS tempted to suggest Breatheflytwinklefree

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CharlotteCollinsislost · 14/01/2013 14:16

Wow, fly, well done for getting your kids and yourself out safely. It must've been horrific, but you're out now and will never have to live with him again!

NoraLuca · 14/01/2013 20:11

Try well done! How are you and your DC now? As everyone else has said, at least now you're free and you can be sure that leaving was the right thing to do.

Hissy aywa, zouji min bled 3arabi, lakin mashi Misr Grin We have never lived in his home country, though I sometimes wonder if it would have been easier if we did - he would have have had his support network, and would not have had to worry about the DC "losing" his religion and culture.

I know that he is not a bad person, it's just that life is not easy and I think that deep down he is frightened and trying to reassure himself by attempting to control every last thing that the DC and I do. I have tried talking to him about this, and he told me to fuck off and that he didn't need to be analysed by an amateur psychologist who learnt all they know from Google Grin I cannot bear the thought of being bullied by him for another X number of years, but he still makes me laugh.

arthriticfingers · 14/01/2013 20:20

Nora Actually, I think his reply is aggressive, rude and offensive, not funny. :(

NoraLuca · 14/01/2013 20:22

Hissy I'm sure that you posted on one of my previous threads (and gave sensible advice, along the lines of "leave, it isn't going to get any better!) but you'd only recently left your ex at that point. I'm glad that things are going better for you now Smile

NoraLuca · 14/01/2013 20:25

Arthriticfingers I know, it's not funny. Life with him isn't funny at all. Some days, I'm so down I feel like I need to be scraped up off the floor. But, I must carry on going to work, caring for the DC... and so I try to see the funny side in order to keep going.

foolonthehill · 14/01/2013 22:03

Nora at least he doesn't know you actually learned it all on MN!!!Grin!

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