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Support thread for those in Emotionally abusive relationships :15

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foolonthehill · 09/01/2013 18:20

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
a check list Use this site for some concise diagnostic lists and support
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
why financial abuse is domestic violenceAre you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
20 signs you're with a controlling and/or abusive partner Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans ? He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans - Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels - The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie - If you a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being Co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out ? You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.
heart to heart a wealth of information and personal experiences drawn together in one place

what couples therapy does for abusers

If you find that he really wants to change
should I stay or should I go bonus materials this is a site containing the material for men who want to change?please don?t give him the link?print out the content for him to work through.

The Bill of Rights
bill of rights here is what you should expect as a starting point for your treatment in a relationship, as you will of course be treating others!!

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HappyNewHissy · 13/01/2013 20:08

Fool, your words (as ever) have so much power. I will keep them in my mind and I will use them to remind me what I gave and what I am capable of.

I am sure boyf will find them useful too. Very constructive and healing words.

Thanks

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HappyNewHissy · 13/01/2013 20:41

No sweety, it's not low at all. It's not that at all, it's that we are SCARED to be happy. Being successful feels alien, cos we've been told we have no right to it.

So we are pushing for something we don't feel entitled to. Playing a game with rules we don't have any idea of. That game is what others simply refer to as 'Life'.

You have many epiphanies to come to you love, and many, many good things.

HissyPromise! Grin

CharlotteCollinsislost · 13/01/2013 21:05

Hi all you lovely people!

I've been a bit busy with FW the past few days (and three late-nighters, but guess who got up first each morning?), and am seeing his behaviour more clearly again, so feel I'm post-wobble!

Feared for my life this morning in the car: head back against the rest saying in my head, "No, H, don't overtake now! Fuck fuck fuck phew..." more than once on the journey. The reason he was driving dangerously? So we could get to church on time so that he could be SuperChristian leading the worship. He did better than last time... but I did wonder repeatedly who exactly we were supposed to be worshipping... Hmm :o

So glad we made it there in one piece - was -2 degrees so plenty of potential for ice on the road. Anyway, tonight is the final hurdle and then he's off early tomorrow morning, for aaaages. I'm getting all excited!

NoraLuca · 13/01/2013 21:09

happynewhissy yy to scared to be happy. I'm scared at the thought of being on my I'm scared at the thought of being on my own with the DC. Have been with H for 8 years, since I was 22. I feel like one of those poor battery hens who gets released from its cage and doesn't know what to do next.

H has been lovely all day, and I managed some sort of conversation with him tonight. He says that he only gets angry when I annoy him, if I could watch my behaviour then khalas! all would be fine between us. He genuinely thinks that he should decide everything for our family, and I can have an opinion, of course, but he doesn't have to take it into account. That is his last word on the matter, on a day when he is in a good mood and not trying to be nasty.

I hate it when he's calm and reasonable and nice, even when I profoundly disagree with what he's saying. It makes it even worse when he gets angry again (and he will, he always does).

foolonthehill · 13/01/2013 21:35

He's never calm and reasonable and nice Nora just the calm bit...and he was only calm because you didn't point out that that is a completely unreasonable and misogynistic point of view. and Sad at the angry man waiting round the corner.

At least you can "see" him now. it's not you, it's him so onwards and upwards ladies.

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HappyNewHissy · 13/01/2013 22:35

Nora.... Khalas? Stop, enough?

I used to live in Egypt with my Ex... are we dealing with the same mentality here?

If so, you really are fighting a losing battle, against millions of people who think they know more and better than you. He is (to them) totally justified in how he treats you. It's how everyone there lives.

I came home, agoraphobic from being indoors for literally weeks at a time, and on going out over there, I was watched, followed and photographed. To begin with I wanted to go out, but Ex wouldn't let me (10 weeks was the longest stretch, only broken when i was rushed to hospital with a MC haemorrhage)

In the end though, I didn't want to go out.

I still have days where I need to boot myself up the arse to go out and I stay home if I can get away with it. I know it's wrong. I'm trying hard.

Nora, if any of this resonates, please know that you are not the first, and will be very far from the last, but that you HAVE to get yourself out of there. It's literally soul destroying.

I'm 2 years on from him having come back to the UK, tried (apparently) but failed and left. I am better than I have ever been, and hearing arabic no longer has me paralysed by sickening fear.

Yalla beena?....

CharlotteCollinsislost · 13/01/2013 22:35

Nora - I have your H without the temper. He's always calm and reasonable. Nice, not so sure about that. What's nice about blaming you for his actions? What's nice about feeling he's superior to you, his opinions are superior to yours?

Actually, no, my H does have a temper, but it comes out in whines and grumps. So he can be the put-upon one, maybe, like Nini was describing.

HappyNewHissy · 13/01/2013 22:38

I was with my Ex for 10 years, left at 42. Imagine being stuck blinded in the lights in your 40s? doubting everything you ever knew?

That was me.

I'm starting again, working FT, getting on with raising my beautiful boy, and living a life I never knew could be so good.

If I can do it, as a decrepit old dear, so physically wasted after years of isolation and practical incarceration, you can do it as a young whippersnapper!

CharlotteCollinsislost · 13/01/2013 22:43

Ooh, Arabic! Don't hear that much these days. My H grew up in Arabic-speaking countries, with that mentality. He had to speak for his mother at the market age 6. Followed up by emotionally traumatic events later in childhood... oh, I can see it all now, how he turned into the FW he is today.

TeapotofDoom · 13/01/2013 23:04

charlotte my former FW found god after we split up, and ever since he did the Alpha Course, has gone absolutely apeshit. Apparently he is going to be the new avenger of poor ickle mistreated fathers, everywhere. Him and baby Jesus. He emaiked me a bible verse, Malachi IV which when I looked it up... Looks like a rather extreme threat. I do so love how he imagines that if he goes to church he will suddenly get a whole raft of readymade character witnesses, I'd imagine.

TheSilveryTinsellyPussycat · 13/01/2013 23:24

Oi hissy me and fingers are the decrepit ones round here Wink

TheSilveryTinsellyPussycat · 13/01/2013 23:26

Am enjoying myself hugely assembling an enormous Balance Sheet for the whole of my time financially entwined with FW. As this involves going back over old statements, I've enjoyed reliving things like visits to my DParents with the DC when they wer kids. And at last I can enjoy the FWittery of FW that it reveals...

TryBreatheTwinkleFly · 14/01/2013 00:17

Am OK. At hotel. Kids and cat safe...more later. Thanks for concern. xxxx

TryBreatheTwinkleFly · 14/01/2013 00:41

Kids homesick so me wandering deserved city streets to cabSmiler office middle of nowhere to get them from friends and return to hotel. I swear I will never get myself on this position again. Mine and kids' life will be normal and secure once we get put of this. Never again will I put trust in a fw.

PrincessFionne · 14/01/2013 00:59

Tell us how, if we can help Try, and so glad you out and safe. You shall have your peace now. It took me a while to recognise it! many ((hugs)) for you all together away from him xx

TheSilveryTinsellyPussycat · 14/01/2013 01:04

Can stay up for a little longer if hand-holding required...

TryBreatheTwinkleFly · 14/01/2013 01:36

Fi and silver thank you my loves. Never have I felt so grateful to the Internet than having all you thread mates in my life xxx

On phone sat on bathroom floor with Winewhile exhausted dcs and dm sleep in room. I'm too wired....

I don't know where to start except that fw kicked off at such a totally normal thing that we've done many times before- dcs and I went to meet another mum and dcs in park for an hour. Somehow- feck knows how or why- it triggered the big show down. Too complex for phone story telling but ended with him threatening suicide in front of dcs, me calling dm pretending in front of him to have normal convo on landline to try and defuse (failed) meanwhile kids crying in terror as he punched walls, banged his head on walls, threw clothes horses around room high in air. Meanwhile I texted dm whilst talking on landline and said 'can u come' then landline cut out- I thought he'd cut line to house, was terrified. I said to kids in low voice 'get to door now' - we all in pjs- and we drive off. Fw calls phone in car on broadcast and threatens to drive into brick wall at 100 miles per hour unless we back in 2 mins. Kids scream In Terror and beg me to go back. I drive back but ask blessed male neighbour to come round. Lots of doings after that but end of story (to date) is that kids cat me and dm all safe. Fw home alone. It's all kicked off. HmmHmmHmm

MaggieMay05 · 14/01/2013 01:39

Oh my darling darling Try I've just logged on Shock Are you ok? Are you safe back in hotel with DC now? Sending you lots of hugs and strength, let us know you are ok if you can xxxxxx

MaggieMay05 · 14/01/2013 01:44

Just x posted Try glad you are all safe in hotel. OMG OMG OMG about what happened Shock hope you are ok and those lovely DC and thank god for your DM. You are a good mummy, you will get through this stage xxx keep in touch xxxx

TryBreatheTwinkleFly · 14/01/2013 01:45

Thanks maggie lovely thread friend Smile tears in eyes at you lot xxxxx

TryBreatheTwinkleFly · 14/01/2013 01:47

I know mags thank god for dmSmile hope I'm not wearing her out!!!

MaggieMay05 · 14/01/2013 01:49

Ps-had logged on actually to say how my FW had been talking about killing himself all eve-not in front of kids though. They all have the same fecking script. Selfish twats. Surely if they wanted to really kill themselves they wouldn't shout and ball about it and would have done it by now. Stay strong Try you can make it xxx

TryBreatheTwinkleFly · 14/01/2013 01:50

Thanks darlin and so can you Smile

MaggieMay05 · 14/01/2013 01:51

We will always be here for you hun xxxxx night and day xx try and sleep if you can, tomorrow is another day x

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