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Support thread for those in Emotionally abusive relationships :15

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foolonthehill · 09/01/2013 18:20

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
a check list Use this site for some concise diagnostic lists and support
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
why financial abuse is domestic violenceAre you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
20 signs you're with a controlling and/or abusive partner Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans ? He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans - Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels - The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie - If you a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being Co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out ? You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.
heart to heart a wealth of information and personal experiences drawn together in one place

what couples therapy does for abusers

If you find that he really wants to change
should I stay or should I go bonus materials this is a site containing the material for men who want to change?please don?t give him the link?print out the content for him to work through.

The Bill of Rights
bill of rights here is what you should expect as a starting point for your treatment in a relationship, as you will of course be treating others!!

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FairyFi · 24/01/2013 00:36

thank you ladies. x Sick of living like this

seekingsomething · 24/01/2013 00:56

Hi there, thanks for the welcome I still can't sleep.

There is now way I can lift money from under the bed believe me I have been tempted. It is all counted, and re-counted, put into £1000 groups and secured with elastic band whenever he adds to it it is all re-counted. Like he is checking none has been taken by me, he won't admit it but we both know thats why.

I would take it and run but I know there is no way he would allow me to get away with that and I don't want to be forever wondering if he will find me. Plus as we are not recognised as being married here I suppose its not technically my money as well as his and I don't want any legal trouble. I can't risk prison or crossing him with money like that as I am scared he would then take DD to his family in ME and I will have next to no chance getting her back.

Its like money is the most important thing to him, I admit that he does spend on DD, she has all she needs but we have to shop together and on the rare times I shop alone every penny has to be accounted for by way of receipts.

A few months back DD needed some milk which we usually buy on the weekly shop but she had been ill and off food and drinking more milk so was needed a day earlier. I told him the monday night, he said we will get it tomorrow, tomorrow came and I couldn't wait for him to get up to I woke him saying DD need the milk he told me go and get it then take £10, bring the receipt, I got the milk and got DD a lolly pop, fine no problem but I also spent 60p on a twix for myself, anybody would have thought I had our last £100 on a handbag or something the way he spoke to me. Things like this is why I can't be trusted with HIS money.

Also we were housed by the council when DD was 4 months old and it is in both our names so I can't really leave as I would probably have little chance of being housed again if I willingly leave. I need to find out where I stand with this to enable me to start a plan but I am worried if I talk to the council he will find out or it will trigger other agencies to become involved which will out my plan to leave him.

Thanks for the welcome

must get to sleep x

BreatheandFlyAway · 24/01/2013 01:04

seeking would Women's Aid and CAB be a good starting point? If you're leaving ea, would that be understood as reasonable by the council, rather than "willingly leaving"? I'm fairly lost myself, but these are just some thoughts... Smile

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seekingsomething · 24/01/2013 09:02

Leclerc I also had a bad night. I know we have not 'spoken' before and I feel a bit odd to be trying to advise someone who is already so much further along than myself but I was wondering that as SW has agreed it is not appropriate for DS2 to stay overnight if it could be worth a call to said SW who may be able to contact your FW and communicate as such. Then eliminating the risk of you being painted as unreasonable to others by him, in particular to your DD2 with whom he has, as we all know, a habit for inappropriate sharing of info with?

however I am sure you will as many other things I have read from you over the last few months you will take it all in your stride no matter how difficult.

Fly am going to look for WA website as a starting point thanks for the suggestion.
I am presuming it can be confidential as I don't want my Fw to find out I am planning to leave.

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foolonthehill · 24/01/2013 10:27

seeking you can walk out of the house, into WA or a police station and straight into a hostel. if you are scared of being found they can arrange a refuge away from your local area.

Would your community be in any way supportive or would you be worried about the "Aunties" giving your location away?

What about your family?

As you are a British national if you separate you will be entitled to all those things that your FW husband is suggesting you claim for him...and you won't have to let him have it. As a legally unmarried mother I assume that you are paid the child benefit...even if it is into his account; If you open an online account (need a basic account so no credit checking) without paperwork so as soon as you leave you can arrange to transfer it into your account and there will be no delay so you will at least have access to some money quite quickly.

keep writing
keep planning.
Don't let him steal your life

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Chocberry · 24/01/2013 10:41

Hello, hope its ok to join this thread. I could really do with some support at the moment. I am still not sure if oh is an emotional abuser.
Been together 13 years, 2 dc. He has cheated on me twice that I know of. Once when I was pregnant, a one night stand, gave me chlamydia. I found out when baby was 6 weeks old and I very stupidly took him back, needless to say 3 years later he cheated again.
He has let me down countless times by going out on the piss without saying and staying out all night on occasion. Or coming back and pissing bed. Knowing how much I hated it and was upset by it.
He hated my friends coming around, so they now don't bother. He has done all of this but is not verbally abusive or violent, so do you think this is emotional abuse?
Just before xmas I had reached the final straw, when he let me and kids down and came back xmas eve drunk.
I have now found a place to rent and should hopefully be getting keys next few weeks. He hates that I am leaving him and keeps going on about how I'm taking dc away from their dad etc.
Last night was bad and he provoked me into a argument with ds within ear shot. He is saying I'm not taking any of the furniture and I am saying I am. He keeps making snide comments and I cannot stand to be around him. I said last night I was tired and wanted to get to sleep so he purposely watched tv in living room until late so I couldnt get to sleep on sofa. I've been sleeping on sofa since xmas and have a constant neck ache where its so uncomfortable.
How on earth do I get through these next few weeks living in this situation. We live in a very small house, so no escaping him whilst in the house.
One minute hes being civilised the next he turns and starts being difficult.
Oh and what does fw mean??!!
Thanks for reading x

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foolonthehill · 24/01/2013 11:35

I love your mum too.

Support like that is without price!

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arthriticfingers · 24/01/2013 11:42

Leclerc I was going to add something, but, between you and Fool, you have all my comments covered :)

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CharlotteCollinsislost · 24/01/2013 12:36

Leclerc, I am finding you particularly inspirational today! Thanks

seeking - I just want to be NORMAL - I am SOOOO with you there! Making a plan in my experience is a slow business - some days I can't cope with thinking about it at all; other days I have a little idea and think, "That might work; I'll look into it." Currently I seem to be back to square one and starting to think about, ooh, plan D I think we're now on! Never mind, we'll get there eventually!

choc - welcome. So as well as the 2 affairs, he's isolated you from your friends and shown scant regard for your feelings and wishes? Definitely a FW!

I am feeling stronger again today. Thanks for your support, particularly the cover letter idea, fool; I think something does need to be explained, although I'm not yet sure how! I have restarted counselling today, so am pleased about that. Might as well use FW's money while I still have free access to it!!

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betterthanever · 24/01/2013 17:39

Hi seeking and choc I am new here too and the others have already been so kind and their support is wonderful.
I was feeling emotional last night and then today have been feeling so strong and ready' to deal with everything and then BAM. My sols secretary asks me to give my doctors details to them to pass onto the other side!!! It is for a DNA test they are requesting that they think will help their case look real' CAFCASS already think otherwise luckily. But I shouldn't have to do that should I? surely they don't set up the appointment, I don't want my ex to know when and where I will be with my DS and I don't want him to have this personal information. My sol if off until Monday. They tried pushing me saying the other side needs it urgently to which I said - then they should have asked for it sooner. Anyone any experience of this? I just feel he wants info all the time about me and I some how always have to be compliant and he seems to be able to do what he wants and he tells me nothing about him.

yummytummy · 24/01/2013 18:55

hi all and welcome to the new ladies i am still so shocked and saddened that there are so many nasty men out there its awful. anyway luckily he seems to be calmer its that cycle again where a nasty incident tension then him trying to be nice and get back to normal whatever that is. the thing is after all thats happened it wont ever be normal ever again even if he never hit or punched again that fear will never leave.

i am really at end of my tether now but dont have strength to ring solicitors etc any more as things now calmer.

but then last night as he was calm i was allowed in the bed as long as i waited till he wanted to sleep and didnt touch him (withholding sex is what he likes as he knows that hurts me) but even though i miss the feeling of being loved for a few moments even if it is a lie its now at the point where the thought of it makes me feel a bit ill.

and also the fact he is enjoying the fact that i am suffering with it. usually i would give in and just initiate it, he never did as i am too fat apparantly but if that was the case he wouldnt be able to do it anyway would he? and he seems surprised that i just havent bothered to ask but he wont either. aaaargh its so messed up. and i hate myself for feeling frustrated and missing sex as thats the only time i feel he loves me.

i have no idea how sex would work in a normal relationship, do men actually hug and kiss partners enthusiastically and initiate things or what? i have no clue whats normal anymore and tbh wouldnt know how to respond.

anyway its so nice to let it out i have no-one in rl as i dont think people realise how deep seated and messed up it is and how every day is such a struggle.

also past few days i just havent been able to sleep at all and thoughts constantly inhead and of course he falls asleep in a few minutes and i just felt like punching him and waking him up and screaming at him. its so damn unfair they feel none of the pain of it and we will suffer forever even if we leave.

ok must stop rambling am sorry am not ina place to be able to help anyone but maybe at least it may help to hear that someone else has also experienced similar.

thanks for listening

seekingsomething · 24/01/2013 18:55

Leclerc him leaving things such as medicating up to a teenager is beyond stupid. He should not be reliant on older kids for care of younger ones in that way at all. I am sure that if DS2 did stay over night your lovely DD would be taking on a bigger role than she should with him whist in his care. hopefully you will find J helpful she sound great- everyone with a FW should have someone like her, and bertie's super mediator lady!

fool I don't fear the 'Aunties' giving me away. My Fw Is only acquaintances with men who have such wives and standards and we probably wouldn't recognise one another in the street. He has a group of idiots friends whom are the same as him really, men with european girlfriends or single or married in the mosque in UK so to really married and able to fiddle system for all they can get.

I know if he spent less time with these men and more with the others he would be better. He was when another cousin of his lived in the UK he made sure he guided him and put him straight, anything I had a prob with if I said I would speak to said cousin it would all be resolved pretty sharpish with me only needing to actually speak to him once. This cousin went back to ME and married a girl there was planning to bring her here however she failed english exam and has to wait to re-sit.

betterthan No experience but why would they need Docs details for DNA test? surely you can request one via your GP (or they can tell you where to contact to sort out) and no details need be exchanged. Is there even a question of paternity? I am sure that you would not put up with the crap you have, for as long as you have from someone who can easily be removed from your life by you saying from the start he is not yours, had DNA done years ago and thats that. Bye bye

have been unable to call WA as FW been around and even though he was asleep till after lunch (get back from work at 3am) I didn't want to risk him hearing even though a bomb could go off next to him and not wake him he is out earlier tomorrow as friday is busy and he has to go to collect stock so will be alone most of the day and plan to call when DD napping in afternoon

betterthanever · 24/01/2013 19:29

Thanks seeking you got it in one - I have never denied paternity he says I have and that it is reason for turning up now... he just found out he may be? but refuses to say how other than via the CSA who contacted him years ago and when he said he wasn't the Dad asked him to take a DNA test - he refused - now he takes me to court for one and the system allows this... I have just emailed my sol. and said I can't find a point in law that says I have to give this information. My DS is sad because a friend was due to come round and hasn't, he then got cross with me no matter how gently and cuddly to him I was and the timing is bad - just had a bath and a weep. Thought about running away again but it would catch up with me and I have done nothing wrong and it will come out - I need strength to get to that point.
I hope you manage to ring WA tomorrow. Are they not 24 hours? could you not ring when he is out at night?

arthriticfingers · 24/01/2013 19:33

Just sending support, better hang on in there

Hissy · 24/01/2013 19:40

seeker, that money you are sleeping on doesnt exist.

its not gone through any books/tills etc, he'd never actually be able to prove you have it. and if you went far, and hid it, he never would.

he'll take it all and bugger off one day.

getbyourself to the cab, ask about prohibitive steps orders and safeguarding your dd.

get all your ducks lined up, benefits etc and take everything you can carry and run.

he won't ever change, he's bee raised that way.

get out now, use the money to leave.

i promise you, he'd have done the same to you for less, if it were your money.

its not like you are leaving him destitute, he has the same again in the bank.

you could slways leave the door open, mess the place up....

Hissy · 24/01/2013 19:45

leclerc, switch your phone/email off, your day is done, you've said all that needs to be said.

put up your boundaries.

betterthanever · 24/01/2013 20:06

Thanks arthritic
Great advice Hissy.