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Support thread for those in Emotionally abusive relationships :15

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foolonthehill · 09/01/2013 18:20

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
a check list Use this site for some concise diagnostic lists and support
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
why financial abuse is domestic violenceAre you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
20 signs you're with a controlling and/or abusive partner Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans ? He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans - Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels - The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie - If you a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being Co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out ? You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.
heart to heart a wealth of information and personal experiences drawn together in one place

what couples therapy does for abusers

If you find that he really wants to change
should I stay or should I go bonus materials this is a site containing the material for men who want to change?please don?t give him the link?print out the content for him to work through.

The Bill of Rights
bill of rights here is what you should expect as a starting point for your treatment in a relationship, as you will of course be treating others!!

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TryBreatheTwinkleFly · 21/01/2013 00:07

God sorry for manic rambling. Blame it on the Wine and relief. But anyway, further rambling alert: two years ago, after one of my sad Relate sessions (by myself) came on the radio and somehow it affected me so bloody much, I drove along with sheets of tears on my face, with my hand on my heart, rubbing it like it was broken, it actually hurt from all those years of stifling, ignoring and pain. Since then I've felt afraid to listen to that song because if I do I remember I've betrayed my heart, but now I can listen to it again. Told you I was mad rambling Grin

TryBreatheTwinkleFly · 21/01/2013 00:08

Silver Smile

BreatheandFlyAway · 21/01/2013 00:13

Hello, how you doin!

TheSilveryTinsellyPussycat · 21/01/2013 00:15

Celebratory nc??

BreatheandFlyAway · 21/01/2013 00:28

yy Wink

TheSilveryTinsellyPussycat · 21/01/2013 00:34

Am doing well, thanks, though had a bit of a non-day today - couldn't seem to get going on anything except MN.

On the subject of Who songs there is one that goes

Our love was famine
frustration
we only acted out of imitation
of what we thought love should have been

then suddenly

our love was flying
our love was soaring
our love was shining
like a summer morning

This was my marriage, this was the renewed hope that was always dashed and that then renewed itself every time something happened that I thought would get us on course this time. Fwiw I don't think he felt similarly, actually I no longer have any idea what he did feel.

BreatheandFlyAway · 21/01/2013 00:44

Yy silver to us projecting our dreams onto an undeserving fw Sad

BreatheandFlyAway · 21/01/2013 00:45

Never mind, we'll always have the Commune Smile

TheSilveryTinsellyPussycat · 21/01/2013 01:34

Oh yes :)

MaggieMay05 · 21/01/2013 02:18

Fly love the new name! You sound so strong and happy Grin despite what FW has put you through today. Keep going lovely lady!!

In other news....just to log it down...FW just arrived home 7 hours after "just popping out for a quick pint" Hmm I don't give a shit as this is now normal practise for him but after I told him that DD had been asking for him when she woke a few hours ago, he proceeded to tell me I should just hang myself and put everyone out of their misery. NICE. I told him why would I leave my lovely DC without a mum and my parents without a daughter. He told me everyone hates me, I am a nasty piece of work and a horrible b1tch c**t. Then doddled off up to bed, banging the bathroom and bedroom doors. Hmm He is now snoring away not a care in the world and I am sat up trying so hard not to cry as crying just leads to that muddy slide that takes me right back down to the black hole. Please whoever is up there and if you are listening please melt the fecking snow so I can take the next escape step this week and then send through an available house/flat that will take a single mum on benefits asap Thanks

Wishing you all a FW free week. Mine is off work tomorrow Sad but then away for a few days so will have a bed at least to sleep in Smile and only FWerty via the phone calls. ET phone home? FW fcuk off!

MaggieMay05 · 21/01/2013 05:13

So here it is...the back ache, the kidney aching thing, muscle pain, insomnia and general feeling of shitiness....all following a FWerty episode HmmHmmHmm what a surprise Sad

Hissy · 21/01/2013 07:16

Sweety, this will soon be over, I know this is harder than anything you've ever done, but when you're the other side of this, you'll see it was all worth it.

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foolonthehill · 21/01/2013 08:10

It is like walking through fire and ice the last days, once you know you've got to go.

You will get there.

((((((((((hugs))))))))))

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arthriticfingers · 21/01/2013 08:11

Adding this:

to the songs. Posted this before, too, but I don't care Wink thought it could stand another airing. Also wanted to say that one of the most insidious long term effects of an abusive relationship is not the physical or verbal violence. Once we have come to our senses, these are clearly unacceptable behaviours. The fact that, when we look back, we can see how they escalated is also a big sign to remind us of what went on. However, it is, also, the 'little' things that have to be dealt with. Like my boring reading story or the story Lundy tells of the woman sitting in her car in a petrol station crying because she could not decide whether to go to the self-service pump or the one with a pump attendant. Her abusive partner had screamed at her that she was wrong and stupid whichever choice she had made while they were together. Yesterday, I was in the car and I remembered, again, that FW used to physically lean over me when I was driving and 'fiddle' - turn the windscreen wipers off and on 'for me', indicate 'for me' ... All this was on top of a constant running commentary of what gear I should be in, how fast I should be driving, exactly what route I should take including 'turn here, now' All to 'help' me because I was 'not a very good driver' Confused 30 years without an accident and without a single point taken from my licence obviously did not count. And, so, yes ... Feck the Feckers! Grin
MaggieMay05 · 21/01/2013 08:52

Can I add a song to our playlist? I can't add a link from my phone but its 'The show must go on' by Queen. I sing this everyday in my head Sad

Looks like plans are halted for wednesday, there is a fecking blizzard outside which has been non-stop since 5am :-( just hope they don't cancel FWs work course and he has to stay here. Grrr, we will have to make a snow man with him instead of me and DC doing it having fun Hmm

Lahti · 21/01/2013 09:04

ARTHRITIC that is so true. I was thinking back this morning and it all started before we got engaged. I used to live with a couple of girls but we decided that I would move out of there and into his single room student residence complete with only 1 single bed. The girls and I had an agreement that I would continue to pay rent for 2 months as it was short notice. H found my bank statement and saw the rent had continued to go out. He rang me at work RAGING, I said I would discuss it when I got home at 9.30pm. He was really MAD and made me sleep on the floor and that I should be glad he didn't just kick me out! I only went and effing got engaged 3 months later. I "knew" it was crazy at the time but I though I was being too picky.

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fiveaddwhat · 21/01/2013 11:25

Gosh Leclerc what a nightmare that he was prepared to take such risks with his own family, and what a terrible experience for you.

Fw here offered to teach me to drive. It went well for the 1st hour, then he got bored and said instead of him actually teaching me I could just drive whenever we needed to go somewhere, with then v small children in car. Here where we live that is illegal, and I pointed out it was illegal and unsafe. His answer: "So you're never going to learn to drive".

They don't think they need to observe safety rules. I think the problem is either - they think accidents would never dare to happen to them, or (worse) if their family had an accident it wouldn't matter as they (fw) would get lots of attention and sympathy and could always blame it on their spouse.

Incidentally is this thread visible to anyone at all via google? Would there be a way to make it only visible to mumsnet members - or is that a bad idea?

TisILeclerc · 21/01/2013 11:36

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arthriticfingers · 21/01/2013 11:37

So much we are ashamed of :( Angry
I think we should start shouting from the rooftops. It would not even register with FWs, but it would get a whole load of shit off our chests.
Leclerc I had removed forgotten the beeping, but, yes, we were set up again and again.
And what is it with FWs and breastfeeding Confused? the fact that they are not the centre of attention, presumably. Angry

arthriticfingers · 21/01/2013 11:38

wankers all

arthriticfingers · 21/01/2013 11:41

Just to repeat, Leclerc you were set up and your FW nearly killed you and the children.
It was him, not you.
It is not normal, which is why you (because you are normal) could not get your head round it.
No-one can think straight around a FW, no-one

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