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Support thread for those in Emotionally abusive relationships :15

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foolonthehill · 09/01/2013 18:20

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
a check list Use this site for some concise diagnostic lists and support
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
why financial abuse is domestic violenceAre you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
20 signs you're with a controlling and/or abusive partner Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans ? He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans - Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels - The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie - If you a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being Co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out ? You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.
heart to heart a wealth of information and personal experiences drawn together in one place

what couples therapy does for abusers

If you find that he really wants to change
should I stay or should I go bonus materials this is a site containing the material for men who want to change?please don?t give him the link?print out the content for him to work through.

The Bill of Rights
bill of rights here is what you should expect as a starting point for your treatment in a relationship, as you will of course be treating others!!

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FairyFi · 20/01/2013 19:36

go Fly GO!!!! Thats the way girl.. .power all the way, so impressed you were brave enough to throw it all back at him! Mine threatened, emailed to say he'd walked out of work, then refused to take any of my panics calls/mails for 48 hours then said - 'you know me better than that, thats not me is it' !!!WTF Like it was my fault too for believing him, glad you have seen the worst and its made the difference. yay yay - I wouldn't put the kids through his Fwittery again tho, and if he doesn't see you presume he wouldn't do that? (like if it was your mum supervising or another, as all the while its you he'll do it (has been my experience, dick!)

take care and whoa!! take someone in the house to get pictures of anything you are worried about being snaffled or just go in and collect stuff that is really treasured.

FairyFi · 20/01/2013 19:41

Leclerc toasting to you, just back from Les Mis (you mentioned it - did ou get there in the end?) Well.. .. cry.. some strange camera work at times but very powerfully done. Enjoy Sweeney Todd and eve.

FairyFi · 20/01/2013 19:43

backing Match on this Fly go for residency, sounds the right thing for you all. Get the FW out! and you all back in your home Smile

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foolonthehill · 20/01/2013 21:03

[Music video spoken part:]
I think--I think when it's all over,
It just comes back in flashes, you know?
It's like a kaleidoscope of memories.
It just all comes back. But he never does.
I think part of me knew the second I saw him that this would happen.
It's not really anything he said or anything he did,
It was the feeling that came along with it.
And the crazy thing is I don't know if I'm ever gonna feel that way again.
But I don't know if I should.
I knew his world moved too fast and burned too bright.
But I just thought, how can the devil be pulling you toward someone who looks so much like an angel when he smiles at you?
Maybe he knew that when he saw me.
I guess I just lost my balance.
I think that the worst part of it all wasn't losing him.
It was losing me.

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ponygirlcurtis · 20/01/2013 21:43

fool yy to the words in bold. It keeps coming back to me in bits, I remember stuff and realise just how abusive it was, when I didn't register it all at the time.

Try - I wonder if you should suspend contact for a week or two, till you get yourself and the kids settled? If he's only going to go out of his way to distress them every time he sees them, it's not good. I'm sure you are completely overwhelmed with everything right now, fit to burst. Make sure you are looking after yourself as well as the kids. ((hugs))

I've just had an email from FW's mum, after I contacted her to say thanks for DS1's birthday card (which she signed from 'Gran'). She says she didn't want to put money in the card but she'll give him something next time she sees him. Do I reply and say 'Your son has decided he doesn't want to see DS1 anymore, so I doubt you'll be seeing him any time soon unless I bring him over' (or words to that effect)? I'm not sure how I feel about her after stuff that FW disclosed to me about how she was towards him growing up. Not sure what to do.

Hissy · 20/01/2013 21:45

*fingngers

abandonment? Pmsl!

FairyFi · 20/01/2013 22:06

Just be cautious pony, and trust your instincts. You could just wait and see what further communications come. If you are dubious about her behaviour go slowly.

Hope peaceful night in your homes tonight x

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ponygirlcurtis · 20/01/2013 22:56

Leclerc, it's amazing the different manipulation tactics they will take. You'd think they'd be worried that people would spot their complete lack of consistency, but somehow they get away with it.
He doesn't love you (sorry), he's just saying he does because he thinks that's what he needs to say in order to get to you.
Sorry to sound so negative. I thought my FW loved me. But now, with how he's being in our separation and divorce, I see that he doesn't at all and possibly never did. It's still all about him and how he can get what he wants.

TisILeclerc · 20/01/2013 23:02

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ponygirlcurtis · 20/01/2013 23:07

Good! They can all feck aff. Grin

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ponygirlcurtis · 20/01/2013 23:12

Chuff the feckers!!!!

CharlotteCollinsislost · 20/01/2013 23:25

That Taylor Swift is a talented woman, ain't she? Even my dds love the "Never" song!

Difficult day with the dcs today. DD1 reminds me of FW in her inability to take blame for anything. DS has spent most of the day trying to hurt or annoy his sisters, or managing to while just being an erratic whirlwind. He also pauses for an expertly-judged amount of time before responding to any request from me, not so long that I feel I can do anything about it, but long enough to communicate, "What I'm doing is more important here." I've hated being a parent today.

But it hasn't all been bad. DD1 gave me a hug at one point, saying, "You look like you could do with this." Can't imagine FW would be capable of that! I guess we'll get there in the end.

MaggieMay05 · 20/01/2013 23:30

Feck feck feck feck feck the lot of the feckers all the way to feckersville! (A well know FW holiday resort) And when they arrive there on Feckers Airways and check into Feckwits hotel feck them some more and hope they all get the feckin delli belly holiday tummy shits!!

Ummm Blush sorry for random rant!! Grin

TisILeclerc · 20/01/2013 23:31

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MaggieMay05 · 20/01/2013 23:44

My phone just froze for the last 10mins after my feck post Hmm FW terrorist attack maybe?? Grin

TheSilveryTinsellyPussycat · 20/01/2013 23:50

You have a genteel phone and it is shocked to the core?

TryBreatheTwinkleFly · 20/01/2013 23:52

BTW how's the TOFeckingD, the fecker???!

TryBreatheTwinkleFly · 20/01/2013 23:56

I'm still feeling high after surviving the extreme feckery today and telling fw (albeit on the phone Grin): "you've got used to me being passive after all these years of undermining me, but I've grown a fucking pair of balls now and I will never be bullied by you again". However, the dcs have cried their little hearts out tonight Sad Angry Sad because they're "worried about daddy". I stifled the urge to say "fuck daddy, he's a fucker" and cuddled them and reassured them instead. OK on a brighter note, what's that song, "I feel free" - is it Cream?

TryBreatheTwinkleFly · 20/01/2013 23:59
TheSilveryTinsellyPussycat · 21/01/2013 00:05

Being a babyboomer I have listened many times to that song, when I didn't feel free, it made me feel free :)

Also The Who's I'm Free - 'I'm free, I'm free. And freedom tastes of reality'

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