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Support thread for those in Emotionally abusive relationships :15

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foolonthehill · 09/01/2013 18:20

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
a check list Use this site for some concise diagnostic lists and support
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
why financial abuse is domestic violenceAre you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
20 signs you're with a controlling and/or abusive partner Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans ? He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans - Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels - The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie - If you a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being Co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out ? You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.
heart to heart a wealth of information and personal experiences drawn together in one place

what couples therapy does for abusers

If you find that he really wants to change
should I stay or should I go bonus materials this is a site containing the material for men who want to change?please don?t give him the link?print out the content for him to work through.

The Bill of Rights
bill of rights here is what you should expect as a starting point for your treatment in a relationship, as you will of course be treating others!!

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TisILeclerc · 19/01/2013 10:23

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MatchsticksForMyEyes · 19/01/2013 10:23

Sorry, that was for Bertie

Bertiebassett · 19/01/2013 10:27

Yes I think DS might be putting on an act... But then he does seem to enjoy spending time with FW these days so I just don't know.

I'm tempted to hide a recording devise in DS's bedroom to find out what is really going on...do you think that's completely bonkers? Sometimes I think I'm losing touch with reality...

MatchsticksForMyEyes · 19/01/2013 10:36

But then, sometimes I enjoyed spending time with fw when he wasn't being a complete arse! Your ds is bound to have conflicted feelings towards him Bertie. I'm sure my dc do. They live their dad, but
he's still the person they saw shout and swear at their mum.

doingtwelvethingsatonce · 19/01/2013 10:52

that's it matchsticks. If I'm confused and stressed over the Jekyll/Hyde behaviour, I can only think that my children are as well. I think that's one of the things that makes it so difficult. I keep thinking "why can't he always be nice? he is obviously capable of it, just can't be bothered." Sad

MatchsticksForMyEyes · 19/01/2013 10:57

That's why it's futile to keep trying twelve. Because they never will just be nice. I would put so much energy into making sure he there was nothing to set him off and then get a load of VA because someone had annoyed him at work. I think of it as trying to fight several fires,at once and it was breaking me.
I've never been as unhappy as in those last few months, but I know I never will be again now I'm out.

ponygirlcurtis · 19/01/2013 11:01

Morning ladies. Bertie, that comment from DS put the hairs up the back of my neck too. It may be nothing, but I think DS needs to see that you believe him and are taking him seriously. Maybe run it past your solicitor for advice? Not sure what to advise re recording device - on the one hand, you could find out for sure. On the other, that way madness lies...

I would just like to say: My FW is a FW.
He turned up 30minutes late this morning, no apology. More bags for me (going to have to tell him to stop bringing stuff down, I have nowhere to put it all). Angry
I'd told him about the nits last night half hoping he'd not want to have DS2 today because of it, he texted saying he'd get something to put on it. I already have, I said not saying 'of course'. He replied - 'thanks for doing that'. GRRRRRRRR! Then this morning, he said he'd got some spray. I tried to say he mustn't put on any more chemicals like Headrin or Full Marks, because DS'd already been treated. Cue superior snotty face. 'I do know what I'm doing, you know. I have been through this before. There's not just him to think of treating.' (His standard answer for everything if I try to give advice re DS2 is to point out his parenting credentials - remind me that he has two children already, therefore he is better than me.)

And I dreamt last night that my solicitor had emailed me to say she thought his offer was reasonable and she didn't know why I was creating such a fuss. Had to go into my email account this morning and check that really wasn't what she'd said! Blush

Bertiebassett · 19/01/2013 11:01

Oh it's really confusing isn't it!

I keep think about my relationship with my own dear departed DF...he wasn't exactly EA but he did suffer from depression and was a difficult person to live with sometimes. When he was in a good frame of mind he was lovely...but when he was down I spent my time either avoiding him or trying to make him happy. It wasn't easy and he wasn't always very nice...but I did love him...

Isn't there a saying that we marry men like our fathers?! Wink

ponygirlcurtis · 19/01/2013 11:06

Twelve, I think part of the issue at the moment is that you have already asked him to leave, he did, but then he came back. You are now utterly utterly exhausted and worn down, it seems like too much to be able to get him to leave again, since you know that time was probably a fluke and a one-off. You sound defeated. Sad Will you be able to get out after the weekend and go speak to someone on your own?

I need to email FW later about not being able to make Wednesday. Any comments on my second draft? (with thanks to Fi, used some of your wording)

^Just to let you know that I cannot make this Wednesday for your contact
with DS2. Next contact will be Saturday, usual arrangement.^

That's basically all. I'm really resisting the urge to apologise and explain!!!!

I need to ask him to stop bringing bags down as well, but I think I'll say that to him face-to-face tonight, and then speak to the solicitor if he refuses.

arthriticfingers · 19/01/2013 11:34

bertie is there anyone your son could talk to? Even a private therapist expert in children dealing with an abuser?
Leclerc I am afraid I don't think matchsticks suggestion would work, unfortunately. I can just see the tears in my FW's eyes as he sobbed about what a wonderful father he was and how I thwarted him at every turn if I said that.
I find that 'that's nice, dear' works well in almost every situation Wink
to all: never apologize; never explain (to FWs, that is)

MatchsticksForMyEyes · 19/01/2013 11:39

Just going on what I said to my fw arthritic. I suppose we each know what works best in our situation. I find I'm getting quite assertive with him now I'm out.

arthriticfingers · 19/01/2013 11:43

Not challenging, matchsticks Blush just find that anything said to FWs is so much wasted energy.

MatchsticksForMyEyes · 19/01/2013 11:50

Yes, I agree. Sometimes I find myself ambushed and have no choice but to say things.

arthriticfingers · 19/01/2013 11:52

and I could see the conversation becoming 'if only mummy weren't so mad/deranged/unaccountably weird against the idea, we would all be living happily with three race horses and an elephant.
Agree, though, that we all have to find our own way.

MaggieMay05 · 19/01/2013 15:19

Hi all, thinking of you all, I've yet to see what FWerty awaits me today when he arrives home from work-cant wait.

Bertie myself and DBro grew up with an EA dad towards us and especially towards our DMum. We hate him for what he did to our childhoods. We always felt as though we were in the way and he hated us. We spent half the time hiding away from him and the other half trying to please him/play with him/gain his approval. Suspect this could be the case with your DS too, it is certainly starting to show too with my DD, she jumps everytime he puts the key in the door, if he is in a goodish mood she will jump on him, try and play etc, if he's grumpy she will sit stuck next to me Sad. Myself and Dbro were never really ourselves around our dad, only with DMum we could truely be ourselves, say what we wanted, joke, laugh etc. Always felt we had to think before speaking when it came to our dad. Is still the same now these days as we are both in our 30s for gods sake!!Angry Re the recording device, I would defo give it a go, sneak it in, I think you need to know what's going on, it may be nothing (fingers crossed) but I think you need to know the situation before taking the next step on this. My FW isn't ever rough with the kids (not yet) but he is naturally heavy handed and sometimes doesn't realise how rough he is. Thinking of you and DS.

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Lahti · 19/01/2013 17:34

Hi all, would you mind if I join you? I am fairly new to all this and haven't had chance to read too far back. I will put a link to my post on the relationships board so you can see my history. www.mumsnet.com/Talk/relationships/1662463-Am-I-being-unreasonable
Thanks for reading. Will check back later (DC bath time)

arthriticfingers · 19/01/2013 18:24

Welcome Lahti and :( you feel you need to be here.
Well done for getting Lundy. Read it first (as well as posting here, of course Wink.
If you can, have a look at:
www.amazon.co.uk/Should-Stay-Relationship-Can--Should-Be/dp/042523889X/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1358617537&sr=8-2
also by Lundy.
That is one great friend you have there :)

TheSilveryTinsellyPussycat · 19/01/2013 18:42

Hi Lahit Jump in where you are and don't be afraid to ask posters things if you can't remember or it is lost in the posts upthread. I get confused sometimes - who has flown, who is biding their time, their DC etc and have even contemplated doing a spreadsheet

Will take a look at your thread.

TheSilveryTinsellyPussycat · 19/01/2013 18:43

*Lahti

TisILeclerc · 19/01/2013 18:54

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TheSilveryTinsellyPussycat · 19/01/2013 19:18

LeClerc if I were you I would not go into detail justifying. If she is like my own DD she will have an answer for everything. Yes, they are different ages, but perhaps you should just take the line I did, eventually - that there are things she doesn't know about, grown up things between you and him (although I didn't use the word 'grown up' to DD - at 21 she is grown up, but doesn't yet have necessary life experience, and anyway it is really between us and our FW whatever our DC's ages.)

TryBreatheTwinkleFly · 19/01/2013 19:36

leclerc I sympathise, the fall out from dcs is very hard to handle, I am finding, too.

Lahit welcome, Sad you have to be here. I'll check your thread in a min Smile

Silver a spreadsheet, ha ha, a fwitsheet you mean Wink

Had a horrible couple of days, well good bits but the happiness has not hit yet because of the terrible, overbearing pressure and manipulation from fw. He's gone from pleading to anger (as predicted) and is accusing me of loads of things - too weary to explain. Sitting down with Wine and mum, watching Splash. I couldn't have got this far without you lovely ones xxx

arthriticfingers · 19/01/2013 19:40

leclerc :( for DD2 FWs leave shit in their wake which they leave others to clean up.
Fly may your mum live long and prosper (and decide to spend long holidays with me Wink )

TryBreatheTwinkleFly · 19/01/2013 19:45

she says, "where shall we go?" Wink