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Support thread for those in Emotionally abusive relationships :15

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foolonthehill · 09/01/2013 18:20

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
a check list Use this site for some concise diagnostic lists and support
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
why financial abuse is domestic violenceAre you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
20 signs you're with a controlling and/or abusive partner Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans ? He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans - Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels - The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie - If you a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being Co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out ? You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.
heart to heart a wealth of information and personal experiences drawn together in one place

what couples therapy does for abusers

If you find that he really wants to change
should I stay or should I go bonus materials this is a site containing the material for men who want to change?please don?t give him the link?print out the content for him to work through.

The Bill of Rights
bill of rights here is what you should expect as a starting point for your treatment in a relationship, as you will of course be treating others!!

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MrsMorton · 17/01/2013 08:08

Nervous about getting a reply ref alternative accommodation. I think it's because if they say no then I will be stumped and have no idea where to go. Fingers crossed for when I open my emails.

leclerc that email is textbook. Did he manage to think it up all by himself?

FairyFi · 17/01/2013 08:58

try hilarious Fwitter site! excellent addition Graham's red chair.

Cut this: I find it difficult to know how to advise you. This is not out of prejudice or bias; it is simply that I am aware that there is so much scope for misunderstanding and, frankly, mistrust. poor Papa L doesn't need to explain FW has tried to put him right in the middle and he needs to state how he's not and you are the centre of your own power! - replace with 'I cannot advise on how to manage my daugther, only she can do that.' The rest of the letter is nice and congenial. and completely Papa L should be able to advise absolutely out of prejudice, loyalty and all those wonderfully supportive things to have them on our side.

Thanks for NN info, hmm. What does that mean for ppl to PM me tho, will all historical ones be available still if someone only knows me by say the first one I used and tried to pm, doesit get to me?

Hairy BF and I spooned all night, the snogging not so good as her tongue far too long (and a bit sloppy frankly)

FairyFi · 17/01/2013 09:00

MrsM fingers crossed fo you too

FairyFi · 17/01/2013 09:14

and tbh this is all about him coming up with his own answers and working things out for himself, not running round recruiting your family /others to get on side and do his dirty work to add pressure to you - another script I recognise

FairyFi · 17/01/2013 09:15

oops that to leclerc

doingtwelvethingsatonce · 17/01/2013 09:15

leclerc that letter is good. I agree with Fi about cutting that one line. Although I would avoid saying "cannot advise on how to manage my daughter" as it basically says you must be "managed" IYSWIM. Is there another way to say that? Something along the lines of "I cannot speak for my daughter, she is an adult and makes her own decisions, which I will support 100 percent" Grin or something like that?

I am reading one of the books on the first page that was recommended. The Lundy Bancroft one didn't come in Kindle version, and that's the only way I can read it without things kicking off here tbh. Everything just "off" here, so it's "eggshell" flooring for the moment. Hmm

CharlotteCollinsislost · 17/01/2013 10:28

I have retained the rights to MrsLundyBancroft for future use Shock But I want it!

twelve - if he seems at all narcissistic, I recommend Alexandra Nouri's book "So you're in love with a narcissist?" from her website - it's available on kindle, is short and therefore relatively cheap, and is bitchy and very cathartic! :o

NiniLegsInTheAir · 17/01/2013 11:20

Hey ladies. Apologies for my disappearance. Exam has been done, it went ok but its hard to say for definate until I get the result. I've been very tired, it took more out of me than I thought. A few weeks break I think before starting for the next one.

Trying to catch up on some recent posts - Try, how are you?

Leclerc, I'm very Shock at the extent of your FW's manipulativeness. Thank God you have your Dad on side. Hopw the Freedomg prog goes well for you today.

I had a friend come over last night to drop off some stuff for DD - she couldn't stay so we stood in the doorway chatting. NSDH stomped over from the kitchen and told Dfriend (talking to me but aimed at her) to close the door in a rude and arsey way, then stomped off again. She pulled a face after he'd gone and I was very Blush. Then she left sharpish. When she'd gone I asked him why he was so rude to her and he said "I wasn't having a go at Dfriend." So I say "You were having a go at me then?". He gave me some waffley response about it being cold and losing the heat blah de blah.

It made me very Sad. And reminded me why I don't have many friends and why so few of them ever come to see me. It's been months since I had a friend round, even for 5 minutes.

MrsMorton · 17/01/2013 12:41

Nini, what was your exam? I'm new to the sisterhood, sorry.

Good news on the housing front but for some reason it's made my resolve waver a bit. Still, the momentum builds more every day b

doingtwelvethingsatonce · 17/01/2013 13:03

nini best of luck with your exam. Hope you get good news soon for the result. Those little things just add up though. I hate having to deal with those types of things and explain them to friends.

FWery is rampant today. Just when you're having a quiet day, then it's kicking off over petty things again. I could just scream. Sometimes when he is being nice, I think "honestly, how difficult is it just to be pleasant like this all the time?" but it just doesn't last. And as I said before, when he's nice, I'm just waiting for it all to kick off again. I don't even like to make conversation anymore, then he's asking me what's wrong and why I'm so quiet. Maybe because I'm just waiting for it all to go spectacularly to shit again, that's why. Of course, that kind of answer would guarantee that it would. Hmm

ponygirlcurtis · 17/01/2013 13:19

Fly - that's v v funny about Fwitter!!!! Grin Love it. And glad to hear you sounding so resolute - I was going to suggest you said to him that is he really was serious about changing then he needs to back off and give you space to see whether he can or not, but there's no need because you are just going for it and that's fab fab fab!

Mine also said very similar stuff, Matchsticks - you've broken my heart, yadda yadda, I can change, I can see what needs to be done now, etc etc.

Nini, fingers crossed for you.

MrsM - does that mean you have alternative accommodation now?

twelve - been there, done it. It doesn't get any better, no matter how much they 'try' don't bother their arses cos they really don't actually believe they are doing anything wrong. What's the plan from here on in, can you ask him to leave again?

doingtwelvethingsatonce · 17/01/2013 13:39

Yes, I liked the Fwitter idea, made me Grin.

pony Not sure. Definitely not without it all kicking off again. I'm frankly getting very stabby when he tells the DCs they need to stop shouting and control their tempers when they get upset over something. They're young (under 8) and see him shouting and kicking off all the time. Is it any wonder they try the same behaviour? Hmm

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MrsMorton · 17/01/2013 14:16

leclerc what is minimising? Can you explain it for me please?

pony I have access to somewhere I can afford and it's open ended. It's like work accommodation so that's good. I didn't think I would be eligible.

I feel like I've had the wind taken out of my sails, someone who has clearly (unwittingly) become an absolute rock for me has to go away and I won't be able to stay in touch for a while. I didn't realise how much I'd come to rely on them until they phoned at lunchtime. I could cry. I probably will on the way home.

FairyFi · 17/01/2013 14:18

oh fuckity FW Nini boo him Sad She will begin to get an idea of what you live with tho, no? good to hear exam managed now. hoope for good result for you, I failed to meet my deadline Sad

this leclerc 'I cannot advise on how to manage my daugther, only she can do that.' ooops, yes twelve could be read as in 'advise you [fw] on how to manager her [leclerc] which is no good!

yy to speak for herself and make own decisions ... all that better said.

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CharlotteCollinsislost · 17/01/2013 14:45

How awful, Leclerc. There are just no words...

Bertiebassett · 17/01/2013 15:30

Warning...selfish offload coming...

Yesterday had a whole load of self pitying texts saying how much he loves me, how he wishes I'd given him more time to change, how sad it all is, how poor he's going to be now unfuckingbelieveable considering he's on on a salary of £45k and will receive a lump sump of £26k from me

Whereas today I've just texted him about a letter I'll need to transfer the house into my name and he's told me if I text him again about it, he will consider it harassment.

I'm fucking furious. How dare he accuse me of harassment?

What do I do ladies? I'm in serious danger of doing something I might regret....

TheSilveryTinsellyPussycat · 17/01/2013 15:36

Is it worth paying sol to correspond with him about house transfer? (My sol's conveyancing dept did my transfer)

NiniLegsInTheAir · 17/01/2013 15:45

Bertie - ignore ignore ignore! Don't rise to it, that's what he wants. Silver's suggestion is a good one, sorry I don't know enough about how house transfers work to be able to give you actual advice. Just grit your teeth and stay strong.

Big hugs Leclerc, that sounds awful. Sad When DD was 6 months old and I went back to work, having to do all the rushing around on foot with no help from NSDH caused me to get a clot in my leg (suspected DVT) and my leg swelled to three times its normal size. I could barely walk and NSDH refused to take DD to nursery or me to hospital during the whole 2 week ordeal. I had to beg a friend (who is disabled) to drive me everywhere. I was so hurt and embarrassed. Sad So I know how utterly destroying it is when the one person you need to help you at that time just doesn't care. Sad

Fi unfortunately this friend is very shy and not very sociable, so I communicate mostly on FB. This will make her even less inclined to visit me. Sad Sorry to hear about your deadline - can you get it extended?

Hi MrsM, my exam was for a diploma I'm doing at work. A long haul effort. Smile. Sorry to hear your friend is going away, is there anyone else you can confide in? If not, there's always us! Smile

Bertiebassett · 17/01/2013 15:51

Hi Silver how are you? Smile

Yes I will get solicitor to sort it out now...I feel stupid to have mentioned it to him now...

I'm jut really annoyed because he started off the whole goddam text conversation about houses. He texted me last night and again this morning to ask a load of information about a previous property we jointly owned...and then I reply and say while we're on the subject of houses, I will need this letter soon...

He's always saying that he wants me to warn him about things that are happening so I thought I was doing the right thing Hmm