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Support thread for those in Emotionally abusive relationships :15

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foolonthehill · 09/01/2013 18:20

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
a check list Use this site for some concise diagnostic lists and support
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
why financial abuse is domestic violenceAre you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
20 signs you're with a controlling and/or abusive partner Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans ? He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans - Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels - The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie - If you a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being Co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out ? You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.
heart to heart a wealth of information and personal experiences drawn together in one place

what couples therapy does for abusers

If you find that he really wants to change
should I stay or should I go bonus materials this is a site containing the material for men who want to change?please don?t give him the link?print out the content for him to work through.

The Bill of Rights
bill of rights here is what you should expect as a starting point for your treatment in a relationship, as you will of course be treating others!!

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MaggieMay05 · 16/01/2013 20:33

Oh god-xpost-sorry-meant lol at the song Charlotte not lovely little Ponys DS1 situation with FW Angry at that!

CharlotteCollinsislost · 16/01/2013 21:48

Leclerc, what a weird conversation with your friend. Is she married herself? How sad for her to seemingly assume that his return would have nothing to do with your wishes. Confused

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ponygirlcurtis · 16/01/2013 22:15

Oooooh, Maggie, I am a bit of a 90s indie chick too, am a big fan of the Soup Dragon's 'Majestic Head' (as it were...). I even appeared in the NME, the band I was in at uni got mentioned in their weekly gig listing! Still have it somewhere, although if FW had found it he would have made me chuck it out because my boyf at the time was in the band as well.

Fi, that's awful that supposed 'SM' sent nothing at all. I wonder who these people are sometimes, do they have brains and hearts?

Charlotte, isn't that the David Byrne song (can't remember who he did it with)? And you are right, I would have been a bit [grr] if he'd tried to give him a present. But I'd have at least appreciated that he was trying, while probably not giving to DS1. But nowt.

Had a nice evening with DS1 while DS2 was with his dad poor DS2. We played Moshi Monsters Top Trumps!!!! But he was pleased to have some time with me, maybe I need to make Wednesday eves 'our time' for an hour.
On the way to pick up DS2:
DS1: Are you going to stand and chat again?
Me: No, I hope not.
DS1: Can you not? I don't like it when you do. I'm left on my own in the car with DS2 for ages. Can you say to that he's not to stand and chat, because you have to get me and DS2 to bed because we are cold and tired?
Me: Yes.
DS1: Promise you'll say that if he tries to chat.
Me: I will.

So got DS2, FW started saying... 'So, I'll bring down more of DS1's stuff on Saturday...' but I more or less ran off, saying 'Yep fine with me, see you Saturday!'
DS1 was v pleased!!!!!!!

CharlotteCollinsislost · 16/01/2013 22:19

How revolting, Leclerc! Trying to come across as ever so reasonable, eh? I presume dear Papa Leclerc saw straight through it?

FW here tried a conversation along these lines with my dps over Christmas; they were temporarily slightly swayed and wondering if we could work things out. I sent a ranty email (ranty about his actions since their conversation, not ranty about them!) last night and they are now right behind me again! :o They're great.

ponygirlcurtis · 16/01/2013 22:20

Oh Leclerc. That's a truly boak-some email. but the good thing is that your dad is probably clued-up enough to be able to reply to FW (whatever his lovely name is) without any input from you! Your dad sounds ace.

ponygirlcurtis · 16/01/2013 22:21

Good stuff Charlotte. Is he gone on next set of travels now?

CharlotteCollinsislost · 16/01/2013 22:25

He is indeed gone. Do you know, I haven't noticed any palpitations or headaches since he went yesterday morning. Strange...

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CharlotteCollinsislost · 16/01/2013 22:29

Good idea to hold off. He'd just try to up the acting skills, wouldn't he? Could he not just say, "Prepare yourself for the likelihood that she's not coming back."? Or would that not help either?

ponygirlcurtis · 16/01/2013 22:29

Yeah, funny that Charlotte.

Leclerc - is Julie your counsellor not wanting you to have to delete any more posts?
That's not a bad idea, just sending him an email saying 'thanks for your email'. Would really piss him off if nothing else!

ponygirlcurtis · 16/01/2013 22:32

I think, Leclerc, that a general acknowledgement is best. He's just wanting a reaction, to engage with someone about all this. If he gets a positive email back from your dad, he's quids in. If he gets a negative, he can rail against it, reply about all the ways you are not up to scratch and he is exemplary, and then claim that your parents are 'turning you against him'. He's fishing.

ponygirlcurtis · 16/01/2013 22:39

So. I have to email FW over the weekend. Here's my first draft. Thoughts?

FW,
I am unable to make the mid-week contact between you and DS2 this week. The Saturday contact is fine.
(very stark and cold)
Or

FW,
I am sorry but due to a family funeral I will be unable to make your Wednesday evening time with DS2 this week. Saturday will be as normal.
(a little bit more warm, but I don't want to have to talk about whose funeral it is, cos he'll ask if I'll be away over night, ie if DS2 is staying with my mum overnight, which I'm worried will spur him on to start asking for overnights with DS2, which I'm worried about)

Or something else. Help!!!!

TeapotofDoom · 16/01/2013 22:48

LeClerc am I a cynic in thinking those courses seem to be a way of grooming FWs to know how to appear to be all 'saved' and wonderful? That email looks like it was copied and pasted from a textbook, or something.

Leopards. Spots. Comes to mind.

FairyFi · 16/01/2013 23:14

thank you Maggie, not so much, as our little family's bf (like 'mans best friend, only better) was threatening to go into grand mal (sp?) and not be here today, so emergency hosp trip late, anyway. All home safe and extraordinarily grateful today, thank you for concern.

I am still in the 'magical creatures' realm, but had cyber abuse last night and can't stand name anymore, thankfully was never that 'attached' to it, and much prefer this.

Its a shame that your DPapa shared it really, Leclerc as it is just another route for him to try to fish to get others on-side to try to persuade them to persuade you, really low. He's on his belly. I'm sure you'lll see thro it and papa will not be drawn in.

pony I work on the premise of stick to the barest facts without details (bearing mind the phenomenal number of come-backs it is possible to get after saying even a very simple sentence!) I sent one very short one recently saying 'I might be slightly late' I had 2 emails and a text!???! FFS FW. (ooo ... who is this brave new person she whispered ) - oh and lovely idea to make special time, I used that to make several new quality times for different things special to combat some battery of outbursts (to try to sooth insecurities) did seem to result in increased happiness overall.

I dunno what you could put that bizarre lack of symptoms down to Charlotte one must imagine the snow or some such change in the atmosphere!

ponygirlcurtis · 16/01/2013 23:21

Fi, like your new nn! And still within the Fi realm, which I obviously approve of.

I agree, I want to get over the basic facts, but just not sure what to say.

FairyFi · 16/01/2013 23:24

Did I miss a NC change somewhere... nini hoping things worked out for your exam in whatever way you wished?

btw.. what happens when ppl pm after an NC? can any of the prevoius NN be used? does that sound bit doh?

FairyFi · 16/01/2013 23:26

oh cool. ta Smile I know you call it cold and stark, but its just facts to get across. 'I cannot make this wed... next contact will be satu then as usual.' ??

FairyFi · 16/01/2013 23:46

Sitting here snogging BF and glad she's alive, and now we're off to bed together. TMI?

TryBreatheTwinkleFly · 17/01/2013 00:00

Thank you so much for the messages of support and encouragement lovely ones, it really is such a boost and helps keep me on track Grin Thanks [choc]

Fi love the new nn, very sweet Smile Nah, nowt's TMI on here as Madonna of the Three Boobies will testify Wink

Pony I love the way your ds masterfully handled that little situation, good for him. Really great that his esteem is riding high and he can express what he needs and of course goes without saying his lovely mum responds and supports him Smile

leclerc and charlotte yy to fws being plausible when it suits them.

Mine was saying he couldn't live without kids, has nothing else in his life, it's all or nothing, he understands the issues, he realises he has to take responsibility, he wants to go on counselling ?!?!?! to save relationship (has always viciously spat on the very idea of one such as he needing counselling), please could I keep option of temp flat open but just move back home etc etc.

All very pleasant but I well remember the duplicate words of honey years ago, which I eventually fell for and eventually he reverted to type. Had a long convo, which in view of this interlude of humility, meant I could actually speak without being screamed down. Had my say very openly for the first time. But once residency and court prohibition papers hit in a few days, all such sweetness and light will be long gone. I'll be the bitch from hell again, a role I'm used to and getting quite comfy in, so woe betide fwitterers!

NB - proposal for new social networking site Fwitter - where viewers in the commune can comment in 140 characters or less on the gripping first and last episode of FWBB (complete with skeleton furniture and ToD supervising the big red chair...) Contestants will have to complete tricky tasks such as looking up when spoken to by a member of their family. Those who pass get to watch Top Gear, Footie or play Civilisation. Of course no-one does pass and their punishment is .....?

MatchsticksForMyEyes · 17/01/2013 07:15

fly, your fw said what mine did almost down to the letter. As has been previously said, there must be a script! Glad you aren't falling for it.
Leclerc, meant to say last night that I think your dad would be best to not reply at all. How dare fw try to use your own family to get what he wants?! My grandma was asked how long she thought 'this new house business' would last-she said forever!