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Mumsnet has not checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. If you need help urgently or expert advice, please see our domestic violence webguide and/or relationships webguide. Many Mumsnetters experiencing domestic abuse have found this thread helpful: Listen up, everybody

Support thread for those in Emotionally abusive relationships :15

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foolonthehill · 09/01/2013 18:20

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
a check list Use this site for some concise diagnostic lists and support
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
why financial abuse is domestic violenceAre you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
20 signs you're with a controlling and/or abusive partner Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans ? He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans - Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels - The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie - If you a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being Co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out ? You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.
heart to heart a wealth of information and personal experiences drawn together in one place

what couples therapy does for abusers

If you find that he really wants to change
should I stay or should I go bonus materials this is a site containing the material for men who want to change?please don?t give him the link?print out the content for him to work through.

The Bill of Rights
bill of rights here is what you should expect as a starting point for your treatment in a relationship, as you will of course be treating others!!

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CharlotteCollinsislost · 16/01/2013 00:39

It does sound very irritating - and it's so hard being unable to do anything about it! You're stuck in the same house with him till you can sell it, aren't you?

Bertiebassett · 16/01/2013 00:44

Actually Charlotte I'm staying in the house with DS (reached a financial settlement last week). Trouble is FW doesn't have to move out until everything is sorted which is 2-4 months....I'm hoping he will choose to move out before then (but I don't think he will).

We have the last mediation session next week to try and agree contact between him and DS...

CharlotteCollinsislost · 16/01/2013 00:46

Oh, of course! I remembered the financial settlement but forgot what it settled - duh!

Bertiebassett · 16/01/2013 00:48

I'm going to have to go to mediation and explain why I don't think FW and I should split child contact 50/50.

I will need to say why I'm concerned. It won't go down too well!

Bertiebassett · 16/01/2013 00:52

Luckily and thanks to MN advice I've kept a record of all 'incidents' which may help...

Thanks for bring there Charlotte! I hope you're ok? I feel terrible that I've not kept up with what everyone else is doing...but it's been such a whirlwind these past few weeks...

CharlotteCollinsislost · 16/01/2013 00:53

Is that what FW wants? I've heard it's not usually considered to be in the child's best interests - too confusing. Although I'm not sure where I heard that.

I'm sure your mediator will be up to the challenge, though!

CharlotteCollinsislost · 16/01/2013 00:57

Oh, I'm struggling to keep up with the thread, too - it moves fast some days! I'm fine, thanks - FW is now off on a long trip, so I'm much more level-headed and determined to get out than I was a week ago after a spag-heady holiday with him!

But I ought to go to bed now that I don't have him in the house dictating to me when it is an appropriate bedtime for me! Hope your DS sleeps through oblivious and you get back to sleep soon!

Bertiebassett · 16/01/2013 01:01

Yes he wants 50/50...he wants everything he's 'entitled' to...

I agree with you...I do not think 50/50 is appropriate for a child of (just) 5...and I have some knowledge of these things from my job (mustn't out myself though!). I know it will be a battle though...

Anyway...maybe we should try and get some sleep now Charlotte?! Thanks for being there Grin xxx

Bertiebassett · 16/01/2013 01:02

Cross post! Glad you're ok and FW free for a little while...night night!

MaggieMay05 · 16/01/2013 02:10

Late night tired waving at Bertie and Charlotte

Fly as I'm now calling you....I just have to say.....GrinGrinGrinGrinGrinGrinGrinGrin!!!!! Well done girl!!! You have been through so much in the last few days, am proud of you x a new happier life of freedom lies ahead for you and DC! Grin

Bertiebassett · 16/01/2013 02:28

Hi Maggie! Smile

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MaggieMay05 · 16/01/2013 06:34

Morning Bertie and all other ladies! Hope you all managed to sleep well and DC had a good night too. I've given up trying to sleep and just going to get up in a minute Hmm FW back at work today Grin which means I can catch up on some proper bed sleep after DC go to bed and before he gets in at 10pm ish. Wishing you all a good day! Smile

Ps-Nini hope exam went well? Let us know when you get a sec!

MatchsticksForMyEyes · 16/01/2013 06:36

fly, you've done brilliantly! There is bound to be upset from the dc, but if you explain simply to them and keep checking in with how they're feeling they will be fine.
Expect the anger in a week or so, but just don't answer his calls. For a while I ignored calls, listened to his voicemails and just texted back.

Bertie, sorry your fw is still using ds as a pawn. Your ds knows which one of you is the one to trust though, eh?

MaggieMay05 · 16/01/2013 06:37

Leclerc!! We xposted! Glad DS slept well in his little nest, good start to the day! Smile

MrsMorton · 16/01/2013 07:00

H uses the time I'm trying to sleep usually to tell me my shortcomings (I know I have them, I'd just rather not discuss them at midnight) so I pretend to be asleep now. It's quite relaxing actually!
Leclerc how do I get one of these here nests? It sounds wonderful!

doingtwelvethingsatonce · 16/01/2013 07:02

Fly So pleased for you! There'll be some struggles as he tries to reassert his control in other ways, as you're no longer living with him, but you made such a huge step forward for yourself and dcs!

Maggie glad you're able to have some free time today. Enjoy your rest!

H is still "making an effort" although the slippage is getting more frequent. And it appears that I'm supposed to excuse any and all slippage because he's trying harder. Hmm His rules, not mine. I'm finding I have to remind him more and more as the days go on to calm down.

oh.. have to go... upheaval again... grrrrr

thatsnotmynamereally · 16/01/2013 07:20

I've been lurking on this thread but just wanted to say a big congrats to fly so well done!

Very inspirational to read all your stories... hoping I can work up the courage to get control of my own situation. Both of my 'little ones' will be off at uni next year, I've been trying to keep things calm for DD as she's gone through her applications, now that I know she'll be going away (as opposed to staying close to home) the thought of staying in this house with 'D'P and no kids is ludicrous. I've spent another night on the sofa as I cannot bear to be near him right now, he is being so selfish.

Fool your DS has such insight, glad you could respond in such a supportive way and validate the things he is saying. I could really relate to what he was saying about the simmering anger but I never have been able to describe it as well as he did.

Bertie good luck with the negotiations. And LeClerc with your resignation... interesting response?!

And to everyone else, stay strong!

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doingtwelvethingsatonce · 16/01/2013 10:34

Leclerc when I read your earlier post about "fandabbydoozy" I almost choked on my coffee. Grin I couldn't explain to H what that was all about so had to cover it up with a few more coughs.

I'm feeling very panicky today. H has pushed boundaries already a couple times this morning, then feigned innocence when I've called him on it. I just have this awkward "wound up like a spring" feeling that won't go away and can't put my finger on the exact reason IYSWIM. I'm edgy and nervous, and it's making me jumpy. Anyone else have days like this? Maybe just the Jekyll/Hyde thing is getting too much or the stress of waiting for the other shoe to fall.

foolonthehill · 16/01/2013 12:07

The exact reason is probably that you are in the calm before the storm part of the abuse cycle and your inner sensor is realising that his inner tension is rising....we internalise it for them so they look calm and in control....Sad

you know some of us used to trigger the blow up deliberately to get it out of the wayBlush!! then blame ourselves for provoking Blush

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arthriticfingers · 16/01/2013 12:24

Have you read Lundy, doing? It's all there: The whole tension thing with the feeling, almost, of relief after an attack because there would be a period when you could feign functioning and pretend that this 'family' was 'normal' :(

jan2013 · 16/01/2013 13:37

hey all...

since we financially separated only a week ago, we r both more worse off. i am still in our rented accommodation, and he is saying he is going to ask our landlord for half his deposit back which means i would have to make his half back up to the landlord. i am worried whenever i go to leave this house, i won't get any of it back, due to the doors being punched in. i don't know what to do about this. he punched them in - but now he is claiming that i threw a cup at the door and it made a hole in it. do you think that is possible, that i could throw a cup and it could make a hole in the door? i don't remember ever doing that. i do remember him punching the doors. i am very upset he is blaming me. i know i threw the hot chocolate once, and spilled it all over the place. and i know i threw a cup and the handle fell off.... all in the midst of arguments.... also he is claiming i threw it at him and it missed him and put a hole in the door. i don't think i ever threw anything at him. you always think you are done and dusted and moving on with your life, then it all gets brought up again, i am so so so fed up. my council house benefit isn't even through and the rent is due in a couple of weeks. sorry for the rant.

jan2013 · 16/01/2013 13:38

i mean i threw the tub of hot chocolate. i sound like the EA one now. sigh. i am so glad i am out of all that.

MatchsticksForMyEyes · 16/01/2013 13:41

Can't you speak to the landlord and tell him to refuse to give fw his half back?