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Support thread for those in Emotionally abusive relationships :15

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foolonthehill · 09/01/2013 18:20

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
a check list Use this site for some concise diagnostic lists and support
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
why financial abuse is domestic violenceAre you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
20 signs you're with a controlling and/or abusive partner Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans ? He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans - Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels - The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie - If you a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being Co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out ? You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.
heart to heart a wealth of information and personal experiences drawn together in one place

what couples therapy does for abusers

If you find that he really wants to change
should I stay or should I go bonus materials this is a site containing the material for men who want to change?please don?t give him the link?print out the content for him to work through.

The Bill of Rights
bill of rights here is what you should expect as a starting point for your treatment in a relationship, as you will of course be treating others!!

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arthriticfingers · 15/01/2013 13:33

never apologize; never explain Wink

ponygirlcurtis · 15/01/2013 13:38

Instead of 'I can't work for...', how about: I am no longer able to...' Or even just 'I am giving my notice to sever my employment for ...' or something like that. Maybe it's just me, but 'I can't work for...' sounds a little like you are struggling and leaving out of desperation, and that's not how I want you to come across to him! Think how you would word it if it were a completely impersonal employer. Google resignation letters and use something generic that you've not written.

Of course you don't have to explain your reasons. But I'm sure he will ask, so have a think about how you'll deal with it.

MrsMorton · 15/01/2013 13:38

Does anyone feel like people wouldn't believe them if they said what their H was like? Or that in isolation a text that says "you're taking your time" doesn't seem that bad but when it's constant drip drip drip of not trusting, accusing, controlling and then really lovely niceness for a bit then as soon as you stray outside their comfort zone it's back to drip drip drip.

Today I was on a course, had to get a car from work & drive there, stopped for a coffee as was running early "have you stopped on your own or are you with one of your work friends..."
FFS

TisILeclerc · 15/01/2013 13:41

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arthriticfingers · 15/01/2013 13:50

How about saying you are moving on and looking for other employment?
Or even that you are actively applying for other jobs.
This covers both personal and job reasons for leaving.
This is what you want to be doing anyway, I suppose?

arthriticfingers · 15/01/2013 13:54

If you think about it in terms of a job, you would not say to an ex employer 'I am leaving because you are a complete FW' because it would not be relevant to your new prospects.
You don't need to explain backwards about new vistas - just look forwards.

PrincessFionne · 15/01/2013 13:55

I think there are only a few that ever really witness, its so carefully kept behind closed doors MrsMorton someone said further ^ thread that they are superman when it comes to others (or similar!), all smiles, nice/funny guy. its just us they don't wanna talk properly to, or ignore, grunt at or pick on (although I do now recall seeing that happen, and thought it was odd at the time, but didn't know the relationship between the two involved) anyhow. Welcome Smile

I think its a wise decision FWIW Leclerc - I always thought it must be incredibly difficult to continue a relationship of any sort outside, especially sharing the work like this.

I think its your time/turn now - like the advisor said, learn to do it for you. Ignore the stuff from the OP they don't know what you've all been through and I only know since you left, but they have less than that and you are the best one to know how to manage them. I don't know how you manage, but you do and very well. take heart.

ponygirlcurtis · 15/01/2013 13:57

Would you feel able to say - 'That's my decision, I don't want to discuss it' whenever he asks, and just repeat - broken record technique?

MrsMorton - I often find that in isolation, individual texts/comments/criticisms seem nothing to make a big deal about. You're right, it's the drip drip that wears you down. 'Death by a thousand cuts' as we say round these here parts.
however, even in isolation, his comment is a bit Hmm!

PrincessFionne · 15/01/2013 13:58

I think its an important boundary this one leclerc realising that you can just say something oblique, as long as you feel happy with it, it doesnt matter what he thinks. The different job idea works well for that. good luck

PrincessFionne · 15/01/2013 14:04

acknowledgement to fool for superman

PrincessFionne · 15/01/2013 14:06

xposted pony - even better - 'my decision' approach

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ponygirlcurtis · 15/01/2013 14:12

Go Leclerc!!!!!

I do that too with not putting a recipient in... Glad you still sent it, that took courage, having a last-minute opportunity to change your mind and not taking it.

Aaaaand breathe! Brew

TisILeclerc · 15/01/2013 14:14

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arthriticfingers · 15/01/2013 14:17

Well done :)

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arthriticfingers · 15/01/2013 14:23

You don't have to wait for his reactions any more Leclerc

ponygirlcurtis · 15/01/2013 14:24

Leclerc - Smile And I'm hoping that too! Sadly, though, when have they ever done as we've wanted and hoped? When we want them to be reasonable, they are anything but. Now you want him to go off the deep-end - bet he's all smarmy and conciliatory and 'anything you want, darling, your job will always be open for you if you change your mind if I manipulate you enough'. Be prepared for everything!

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ponygirlcurtis · 15/01/2013 14:35

Am in awe of you, your determination and your all-encompassing love for your children, Leclerc. You are truly inspirational.

Isn't it today that Nini has her exam? Hope she's getting on ok. And hope Try is doing ok too. Sending hugs and thoughts to both of you.

TheSilveryTinsellyPussycat · 15/01/2013 14:44

Look at you all Grin well done leClerc Grin

MaggieMay05 · 15/01/2013 14:48

((Cheers)) and massive ((hugs)) Leclerc! I think you are doing the right thing, you only really need to have contact with him for DC arrangements, once you have cut work ties you will be able to start living for yourself. Another tie to him cut, another victory for you. Don't worry about that other thread, if half those women had to walk one day in any of our shoes they wouldn't survive, you are a strong woman and a brill mummy who is sailing through this bastard of a storm as best you can and doing an excellent job, you have just got rid of another anchor holding you back (re work), be kind to yourself, scream, shout, do whatever you need to get it out of your system, calmer waters are véry soon ahead for you and lovely DC xxx

MaggieMay05 · 15/01/2013 14:51

Yes Nini we are all rooting for you! Good luck!!

PrincessFionne · 15/01/2013 14:54

now to sort a little nest for ds in my room awww... enjoy Leclerc and hope its a peaceful night. Agree with arth about not needing to wait or prepare or wonder or worry about what HE thinks - thats freeeeeeeedoom!!! x

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