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Is my boyfriend tight?

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pippilongstockinglondon · 10/12/2012 12:39

Firstly, apologies for the long message!

I?ve been dating with my boyfriend for two months. The first date was in a fairly expensive restaurant (he invited me out and booked the table). Despite the fact that the venue was my choice I was actually expecting to stay in the bar area as I?m struggling financially. He ordered a drink, one of the mains (£18), I ordered a starter only (£6.50) and we shared a bottle of wine of which he had more than half. At the end of the evening he asked what we should do with the bill. I offered - just to be polite - that we split it in half; however I was expecting him to pay a bit more as he had the lion?s share. But he gladly agreed and I ended up paying half of the £52 bill. Fair enough, he paid for the wine at a pub the following weekend (£10), so I thought it was actually fine. Only recently I have started thinking about the old saying ?mean with money, mean with love??Maybe I have watched too many Hollywood romcoms, but shouldn?t it be the case of a man making an effort when he?s dating a woman?!

We spend around 3 days/evenings a week together and he always stays at mine. I do the grocery shopping, spend time cooking and generally put quite a lot of effort into pleasing him. We have gone out for breakfast twice (local caff the first time and a bit more upmarket café the second time) and he has paid for it, but on both occasions he kept on complaining how expensive it is to eat out. We once went grocery shopping together for which he paid (£12). He has also paid for a takeaway twice: pizza and Chinese. When I go shopping I always try to buy healthy nutritious food, because this is what I am used to and I genuinely love cooking. I usually make my meals from scratch: casseroles and stews, steak and salad, roast chicken and potatoes, soups. I don?t eat crisps or £1 frozen pies. Yes, I sometimes have a cheeky takeaway pizza and chips, but it doesn?t happen often.

He never brings any food or anything else with him, except for the last weekend when he decided to bring some of his own items, after saying that ?you never have any food at home?. So he brought a pack of frozen waffles, a frozen pie (the kind of products you can get from Iceland for £1) and a tin of baked beans. However, in the evening after realising my food was so much better (chicken fajitas and green salad), he decided not to eat his but indulge in mine. I don?t always have the items in the fridge that he would like (for full English), but I have always made him coffee & toast, omelette or a bacon sandwich. Except for the two breakfasts mentioned earlier and a couple of times when he has woken up before me and gone to eat in a local caff. So I think it is unfair to say that I never have any food at home. What about all the dinners I have prepared for him?

As a side note, I am a secretary on a 23k salary (plus stuck in a dead end job) and he is a financial analyst in the City. Not sure how much he is earning, but perhaps around 50-60k?!

I feel that he is not making much effort and is generally a tight person. Am I unfair?

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lostconfusedwhatnext · 11/12/2012 12:09

I think quietly has phrased her message a bit brutally but it has historically been the case that women take better care of their security by being useful and agreeable to men than by working at other jobs (or in fact, as their main role while working in other jobs). It would be very odd indeed if there were no vestiges of this at all in the current generation of young women.

I do not judge Pippi as a gold digger, but it may well be the case that her interest in her beau's income and her almost instinctive willingess to look after him with cooking and cleaning has a direct line of influence from how women traditionally get house and board (and a range of potential luxuries if they are lucky). How could it not be the case, at least some of the time?

Pippi I think one of the reasons you may be frustrated at work is that (this is all sort of in the same vein) your intelligence may be underestimated if you, subconsciously, think that the way to do a good job and therefore to please, is to be very agreeable. Sometimes, if you are clever, you will be right when others are wrong, and finding clever charming assertive ways to make this clear, and for your company to benefit from your cleverness, is a very tough skill to learn - harder than doing what you are told, but a worthwhile challenge if you can pull it off. I think for many of us we have been wrongly sold an equation that goes something like submission = security.

pippilongstockinglondon · 11/12/2012 12:43

I'm not a gold digger and earn my own money. The only reason why I started this was to find out whether other people also think his behaviour is weird and inconsiderate or is it just me. I have worked since the age of 17, obviously not continuously as I was also studying in the early 2000's.

No, I haven't sent him a FB request.

I don't have much experience with relationships as have had only a few short-term ones. Hence all the wrong decisions and not seeing the signs. It's not so terribly important for me to be in one. But it would be great to share things in life.

You are right, he is not a very nice person. I still feel infatuated though.

Thanks again for all the answers, it has been very enlightening.

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AnyFuckerForAMincePie · 11/12/2012 12:47

So, when he has given you the silent treatment for the length of time he deems appropriate and contacts you again to get shag and his skiddies washed what are you going to do ?

caramelwaffle · 11/12/2012 12:47

You don't sound like a gold digger at all; quite the opposite in fact.

Get out there and have fun.

Be happy single and let any new man slot in to your life. If he doesn't enhance it, move him on.

badinage · 11/12/2012 12:48

Sorry but I think you knew he was in a relationship, but wanted to pretend you didn't. If he wasn't such a dick, I think you'd be kidding yourself even now that he's available. Maybe you still are?

Have a look at why you're 'infatuated' with such a loser. That really does tell you something about your low standards.

caramelwaffle · 11/12/2012 12:50

bad She met him through online dating: I think he probably put "single" in the status line.

caramelwaffle · 11/12/2012 12:50

...otherwise she wouldn't now be questioning his living arrangements.

pippilongstockinglondon · 11/12/2012 12:52

I honestly don't think he's in a relationship.

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badinage · 11/12/2012 12:53

Yes but everyone knows the internet dating scene is full of liars.

And the clues were all there afterwards. No-one is that stupid. Only those who would prefer to be thought of as stupid, than being the other woman.

pippilongstockinglondon · 11/12/2012 12:56

I'm sure I'll find out soon.

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izzyizin · 11/12/2012 13:00

How are you going to find out, pippi? What will you do if you discover he doesn't work where he's claimed or that he's employed in a lower earning lesser capacity?

ClippedPhoenix · 11/12/2012 13:00

Are you really going to keep on seeing him OP?

badinage · 11/12/2012 13:01

I honestly don't think he's in a relationship.

You weren't that bothered to find out though were you? If it mattered to you, you wouldn't have suppressed your curiosity when there were so many obvious clues. So up till this thread, you didn't find it odd that you didn't know his address, hadn't met his friends, hadn't linked with him on facebook and knew very little about him. You thought he was tight rather than someone who would have to justify expenditure to a partner.

MyLittleFluffball · 11/12/2012 13:04

Sorry you're going through this, pippilongstockinglondon. I hope you can/will move on from this guy immediately, far too many red flags, he is not worth investing any more time in.

Try not to take the wild speculation/baseless judgements on here to heart. You know yourself best. :) I hope you can take the good advice that has helped you from this thread - as it seems you've done - and happily ignore all the things that you know don't apply to you.

I believe from reading your words that you are a nice person who is not a gold digger or someone who knew that this guy was in a relationship.

jingleallthespringy · 11/12/2012 13:05

a controlling certain type of man can be very charming, sadly.

What train station did you meet at - his?

Darling, it is very odd indeed that he ran like a 12yo when you confronted him Confused

JamNan · 11/12/2012 13:09

badinage
Why all the nastiness? It's not helping.

izzyizin · 11/12/2012 13:15

I have a vision of him running away from a crowded rail station and knocking commuters over like bowling balls in his haste to escape further questioning.

He must surely know he's rumbled and he'd had a brass nerve if he contacts you again - or did he leave his skiddies more loose change behind on his last visit to your home?

Online dating is effectively a cheat's charter which gives liars licence to reinvent their age, status, occupation, etc, and the charming stranger who is ostensibly 'looking for lurve' may have a hidden agenda.

ClippedPhoenix · 11/12/2012 13:17

OP I also don't think you're a gold digger in the slightest, that's nonsense, you were just far too willing to please, which needs working on.

If I were you I'd now feel I'd not want to do jack shit for him ever again, so let's face it, it's not really a relationship anymore is it?

izzyizin · 11/12/2012 13:25

The Iceland frozen pie, waffles, & beans, indicate he's either a tight twat or not as well-heeled as he's made out, and running away in public when you questioned him shows him to be an abject coward.

What is there about this guy to be infatuated with?

Arseface · 11/12/2012 13:27

This is getting completely out of hand!
Pippi, you may have been naive and a little too trusting but I for one do not think you sound like a gold digger/fool/willing OW Hmm.
You've only been seeing this man for a while and your antennae have picked up that things are not as they should be.
I think you need to be a little less trusting when letting people into your life but people with good self esteem don't initially run screaming at bad behaviour from others as they don't have the defensive barriers of those who have been hurt or let down in the past.

It's also important to remember that you are the normal one here, who has done nothing wrong. This man is behaving very strangely and not treating you fairly.
A salutary lesson that not everyone in life is to be taken at face value but I don't think it's a sign that you're some kind of twat magnet!

Anniegetyourgun · 11/12/2012 13:29

Not that it matters, of course. He's clearly not very nice, so he ought to be dumped whether or not he's also a liar.

LaQueen · 11/12/2012 13:37

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dreamingbohemian · 11/12/2012 13:38

OP, I think it would be really good for you to decide yourself, in your own mind, that this relationship is over.

I mean, it has to be. He is exhibiting seriously weird behaviour. You say you don't have a lot of experience with dating, please listen to old ladies like myself who have loads of ridiculous experience: this man is no good for you and you need to just dump him and move on.

I say this because you sound a bit passive about it and I sense you are waiting for him to get in touch and then seeing what he says and what he wants and then maybe deciding....

But really, you have all the information you need. It will be very empowering to just take the decision yourself and not worry about what he wants or thinks.

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