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Hollow laugh from the OW

581 replies

Dandythelion · 21/10/2012 21:22

I was the OW. As well as sweeping me off my naive feet into a 50 shades type sexual thrall, he convinced me that the marriage was dead, he'd hated her for years, he only stayed because he felt sorry she was going bald (!), they only had pity sex, she was horribly unstable and always threatening suicide, was a total hypochondriac, terrible mother, educationally bereft, emotionally subnormal and socially inept.

He made me feel absolutely beautiful and special and I couldn't do without it, nobody can make you feel better than an emotionally abusive man, it's almost an art form. They get inside your head and worm out your deepest dreams and promise to make them all come true. Then he makes them almost come true, but just dangles perfection out of reach.

You'll go mad trying to get there and you won't have the sense you were born with, the madness takes you over and morality won't enter it because you want to believe the fantasy more than you will listen to friends, family, conscience.

For all the wives who've been left by this type, sleep a little better knowing that less than two years on, the beautiful clever perfect wam they left you for discovers he's pulling the same stunt on new woman, and suddenly it's easy to see why the mental health issues arose.

Don't waste time begging him to come back, he has a cock where a heart should be and doesn't say a word that hasn't been carefully chosen to get exactly what he wants.

Thought it might give a wry smile tp those who have been there.

OP posts:
BloodRedAlienReflux · 23/10/2012 08:35

why? morals? empathy? humanity? Not tearing someone else's life apart for your own sordid satisfaction? Being a decent person.

catsrus · 23/10/2012 09:03

quite simply "hate destroys the hater" (Martin Luther King)

Who wants to be around people who are vitriolic and nasty, wishing harm on other human beings? how does that heal wounds? it doesn't. Hate is at the root of all wars, tribal conflicts, neighbourhood battles - it's hate that causes people to put petrol soaked rags through letter boxes - why would anyone suggest that hatred is something to aspire to?

I think this thread is incredibly sad

Bogeyface · 23/10/2012 09:09

I dont expect other people to be advocates for my marriage, but as Blood said, I also dont expect other people to go out of their way to wreck it.

Basic human decency says that there are some things you dont do, and entering a relationship with someone who is already committed elsewhere is one of them. No one is saying that the OW/M is responsible for the person cheating, but they are responsible for a their own actions, and it is generally accepted that facilitating someone elses adultery is almost as bad as the adultery itself.

Bogeyface · 23/10/2012 09:13

I dont make it my place to hate, but equally I will not defend, feel sympathy or emapthy for anyone who tries to excuse this type of behaviour.

PosieParker · 23/10/2012 09:36

Isn't it amazing that women are pitted against each other, when it's the men that do something wrong? I just cannot accept that.

Inneedofbrandy · 23/10/2012 09:38

Exactly PP. Some women can't bear to blame a man when there's a woman to hate.

BloodRedAlienReflux · 23/10/2012 09:41

and both the immoral bastards? Can we do that?

GhostShip · 23/10/2012 09:42

I don't think one woman here has said the man isn't to blame. OneMoreChap admitted to cheating on his wife and he got the same reaction.

Just because you're a fellow woman doesn't make you innocent and blame free. In fact the sheer fact you're a woman makes me wonder HOW and WHY you would dare do it to another? The man is to blame, but so are you.

PosieParker · 23/10/2012 09:44

Rubbish. If a woman has an affair noone blames the other guy, they blame the woman. No man sits astounded thinking "How can another man do this to me?"

OMC posted about his horrific marriage and people were still hideous toward him.

I find using the excuse of hurt to be vitriolic to someone else poor, at best.

Bogeyface · 23/10/2012 09:46

You are missing the point PP and Ineed

I judge the woman who had the affair with my husband. I would judge her just as harshly had it been someone elses husband or a different woman, because there are some things that you just dont do.

I dont blame her for him cheating on me, I blame him all the way. He married me, he broke the vows. But I do blame her for being a willing partner to that, and as I say, i would do that whether it was my husband or yours.

I make no apologies for looking down on women and men who think that having a relationship with a person who is already in a relationship is ok. Yes i do judge them and so do most people.

akaemmafrost · 23/10/2012 09:47

I don't expect anything from anyone who made no commitment to me. I reiterate the OW is a nobody, she filled a space and if it wasn't her it would have been someone else. She is not worth my thoughts or emotional energy. That's how special she is.

GhostShip · 23/10/2012 09:49

I can beg to differ there, lots of men ALSO blame the other man as well as their partner.
Being in an abusive relationship is no reason to cheat, give me a break. It's the classic excuse of a cheater. To pass the blame. I have already said I was also in an abusive relationship, I didn't cheat. Because I have morals.

How can you say that the OW is innocent. A woman KNOWING she is taking something that isn't hers, knowing that she could be helping to break up a family. I couldn't live with myself.
I'd kick the cheating bastard away and tell his partner exactly what he's tried to do.

But obviously some people like yourself Posie would prefer to go along life not bothered about the consequences your actions can have.

Bogeyface · 23/10/2012 09:50

I do think that women are expected to be more moral beings than men "Oh well, he had a penis, he cant help it", but I dont subscribe to that and would judge a male affair partner just as harshly as a female one.

OMC had a choice whether to leave his marriage or have an affair. It was stated above that cheating is considered emotional abuse, so just his marriage was bad didnt give him the right to do that. Two people treating each other badly doesnt make everything square imo.

Inneedofbrandy · 23/10/2012 09:50

The thing is, if your husband wasn't a dick he wouldnt sleep with someone else. So no the OW/M has not got the same amount of responsibility and certainly none to the wife. she didn't make vows to you he/she did. I cannot comprehend how this doesn't come across to you.

You could have the evilest husband stealing bitch about, but if your husband is a good man and doesn't think with his knob he wouldn't even entertain the thought of her! Affairs I think can be symptomatic of other problems in a relationship to, and there's a difference between meeting someone else and leaving dp and having your cake and eating it.

PosieParker · 23/10/2012 09:50

I am not missing the point, I am disagreeing with it.

Bogeyface · 23/10/2012 09:52

FFS!

This isnt about MY marriage, that was just an example!

It is about my right to judge anyone who has such a lack of morals that they think that shagging a married person is ok. It isnt and I will judge them!

Bogeyface · 23/10/2012 09:52

I also judge the married person btw, but I am saying that this idea that the affair partner is blameless is bullshit.

GhostShip · 23/10/2012 09:53

Inneed - you're spectacularly missing the point! We all know if the cheating bastard man wasn't a dick he wouldn't do it. No-one has said anything contrary. But there will be some blame and some anger to the woman who took this man knowing full well what was going on. Knowing full well the hurt they will both cause. Don't they have more respect for themselves and other women???

GhostShip · 23/10/2012 09:54

An accessory to a crime is still to blame.

I see the OW as an accessory, obviously not to a crime but to the affair.

PosieParker · 23/10/2012 09:55

"Taking something that isn't hers" My husband isn't mine, he's my husband but he doesn't belong to me. There's no taking about it.

And if my husband was abusive and reduced me to a wreck and someone came along that made me feel human then I can't say I wouldn't be tempted, as I've never felt like that.

PosieParker · 23/10/2012 09:56

Ah well, this thread is circular now.

GhostShip · 23/10/2012 09:56

Taking into her home, her bed. Not away from the OW.

GhostShip · 23/10/2012 09:56

Wife sorry

Inneedofbrandy · 23/10/2012 09:57

With those type of men though it's more if it wasn't her it would be someone else. I just feel its down to the married person not to cheat and no one else.

BloodRedAlienReflux · 23/10/2012 09:57

ineed I get your point, that is, i do understand what you are saying. Is the OW equally to blame? No, you're right, he made the vows. does she have nothing to reproach herself about? because she is single? That's just crap, yes, it would be someone else, someone else that cares not about the total devastation they leave behind on the back of a whim. So each and every person needs to have their own moral code, if you have none, you are a twat, fact!

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