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over reacting?

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dancingwiththedevilonmyback · 06/09/2012 18:11

so for the last few months my rather antisocial hubby has started going out with a group of mates, im really happy about this as i think friendships outside the marraige are really important and healthy.
his best mate is a girl who is into the stuff he likes, wrestling, computer games ect. he goes out to watch films with her a lot and they socialise with others regualy, i have no issue with this, my best mate is a bloke (although he is gay) she has even kipped on our sofa when they went out so she didnt have to drive home. i have had no suspicions that anything other than friendship has occurred.
she is in a bad relationship, talks about it to him all the time, and seems to say lots of leading things like "my bf doesnt like my breasts, what do you think?" and that suggests to me she may be having thoughts towards him in a romantic way... i have told him that platonic friendships are great but its important not to give the wrong idea...
he assured me she didnt have thoughts like that.
i have become aware that his workmates have been gossiping about them, and that makes me uncomfortable, he assuered me it was one comment from someone really stupid and to take no notice.
well today he left his facebook open and thier messages were there, hundreds of messages, really really flirty.
he calls her sugar tits, says he needs to clear his mind of dirty thoughts of her, many messages of sexual teasing, nothing hardcore, all wink winky, things like, i'll let you dominate me, i'll lie there and take it, he replies i am dripping with antisipation (this is in reference to being beaten in the computer game, but its suggestive and sexual.)
he says, if we carry on going to see films together, people will be even more suspicious, more than normal" which means lots of people at thier work are already suss...
i text him and said, u left your fb open, and i read your msgs, sorry for invading your privacy but i am glad i did,
the level of flirting is unacceptable, and really dismissive of your wife. i feel humiliated after all the bending over backwards i did to accommadate your new mates.
i want this flirting to stop, i am not asking you to end your friendship, or cancel saturday (she is kipping on the sofa again) or to cancel the wrestling (they are going with 2 others to wales to watch the wrestling, him and her are sharing a twin room) i just want you to know the boundries and not overstep them.

he phoned and said nothing was going on, i said it doesnt matter if his penis stayed in his pants, the fact he has been texting her this means he has at least had an emotional or sextual affair. he said nothing had happened, and he was sorry for upsetting me, (sounding irritated now) i said i didnt need him to be sorry for upsetting me, that meant nothing to me, he needs to be sorry for doing it. he doesnt talk to me like that, so he needs to talk like that to someone else.
i said, if you want out of our marraige, tell me, i want to know, dont string me along, and drag it out, if you want out, just go. i wont stop you.
he said he loved being married to me and he loves our children, i said well that wouldnt change would it?
then i said i had to go and get kids ready for bed, and hung up.
was i overreacting?

OP posts:
marriednotdead · 09/09/2012 20:32

It may not feel like it now, but that may be the best thing he's done in a long time. The only way is up.

dancingwiththedevilonmyback · 09/09/2012 20:41

feel very shaken. like my head is spinning and i feel sick.
i also feel really frightened. and i dont know what of, i am not scared of him at all, i guess i am scared of what is going to happen next.

OP posts:
clam · 09/09/2012 20:46

I'm really sorry to say this dancing but you walked right into that one.

izzyizin · 09/09/2012 20:47

My oh my, his time-management skills suggest that there's little wrong with his brain and it's another organ that's causing his deliberate obtuseness. Did he manage to fit a shower into his performance?

This is going to be interesting.

If sugarfuckingtits lives with her boyfriend, where is the moron going to be staying tonight and if he gets lucky and persuades a mate to overlook his body odour let him kip on their sofa, will ms getsonmy sugarfuckingtits kip down with him?

Game on.

Shall we put money on him being back later either:
a) crowng like a rooster that it's his house and he'll do what he wants in it
b) tail between legs blubbing again about how so very sorry he is that he's an insensitive cunt and can she of the sugar mountains sleep on the sofa

Or shall we bet that he doesn't come back tonight but fetches up to look after the dc first thing in the morning?

You have unquestionably acted with the utmost restraint and dignity, dancing my pet, and have equally unquestionably done the right, indeed the only, thing in booting his arse out.

If he doesn't turn up in time to look after the dc, do you have anyone you can ask to step into the breach?

MigratingCoconuts · 09/09/2012 20:48

Totally understandable feelings, dancing

dancingwiththedevilonmyback · 09/09/2012 20:52

i do still love him, and i dont think he is shagging her, thats not the point, i also dont think he will go there tonight either.
i do want him home, i want to work this out but i dont know how.

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CaliforniaLeaving · 09/09/2012 20:54

My god what a jammy bastard.
He wants you to be the bad guy, you get to throw him out, you get to put the restrictions in place to end it all. So he can run about saying it was all you.
Don't buy into his bullshit, he made this messy bed and he can lie in it, smelly as it is.
You have done nothing wrong.
Had I walked in and saw her sitting there, I'd have said hi to all the guys and said, sorry love you have to leave, I don't allow cheating, whores who want to sleep with my husband in my house, so you have to go.

AnyFucker · 09/09/2012 21:02

When he left this evening did he just go as far as the end of the road before ST picked him up in time for their date?

izzyizin · 09/09/2012 21:06

When a man says you're crazy in way that is intended to be a put down/insult, you won't be the only person he says it to.

The twunt will have told his colleagues, gaming pals, Uncle Tom Cobley & all, that you are crazy as in mentally unhinged or not all there.

Unfortunately, you missed a golden opportunity to put the record straight last night because if you had thrown sft out on her ear, those who are already highly suspicious of their relationship would have been made aware that you're not as crazy dumb stupid as he's made you out to be.

What's going to happen next is that, once you've offloaded this odious piece of gobshite, you are going to have an infinitely more enjoyable and fulfilling life than the one you've lived with him for far too long.

The question you should be asking yourself is when to play the ace up your sleeve which is that if he doesn't fall into line pdq (eg like, yesterday), you will be hotfooting it to a shit hot solicitor (recommendations available on this site's Legal matters board) and instituting proceedings for divorce on the ground of his adultery and naming ms sft as co-respondent.

In the event you decide to take this action (and just a very few examples of those you've given her make me sincerely hope you will) it's probable that you'll be advised to sue for divorce on the more sure and certain grounds of his many instances of unreasonable behaviour - but he's not to know that and nor is ms sft until a petition lands on his/their new doorstep.

izzyizin · 09/09/2012 21:11

The only thing you need to work out, dancing, is why you love this unloveable excuse for a man.

Could it be that you've simply got into the habit of telling yourself you love him because that's what you think you should feel for the man you're living with and who is the father of your dc?

Your respect for him has taken a nosedive and once respect flies out of the window, love soon follows.

Set yourself free, honey. You don't need him, or any other man for that matter, to validate you as the truly amazing woman you are.

MigratingCoconuts · 09/09/2012 21:13

interesting that his behaviour changed so radically at the point you wanted to talk sugartits with him!!

Sadly, you will never work it out with him whilst he behaves like this!

izzyizin · 09/09/2012 21:19

Now let's take a look at your fears. If you're not scared of him - and there's no reason why you should be as a 999 call will soon settle his hash if he kicks off again - what are you scared of?

Being a single parent? Having to spin the plates alone? That your dc may be adversely affected by divorce?

chirpchirp · 09/09/2012 21:35

Well done dancing. He really is a manipulative prick.

I may be wrong and please free to tell me if I'm out of line but I suspect he was assuming with your depression and self esteem you wouldn't have the strength to call him out on his shocking behaviour and would overlook the appalling way he is treating you.

You have been fantastic and continue to be so and deserve Far better than this.

maxijazz · 09/09/2012 21:51

I only read your original post and a few initial replies but I wanted to say I have been in your position. My ex-H had a 'friend' and they spent time together as friends, going to cinema, gigs etc. she was also in a relationship that was ending and turned to my H for support. They also worked together.

I, like you, felt uncomfortable with their friendship but when I challenged him he'd say "your jealousy is your problem, not mine" and made me feel like I was the unreasonable one.

I also tried to be cool about it when really it cut me up inside. Anyway, their relationship did turn physical and I only found out because I caught them.

It's only in hindsight that I realise my confidence was so low I was afraid of admitting the truth to myself, that our relationship was over long before I caught them.

The only advice i can give you is to think about what your boundaries are and enforce them, which you say you've done which is great. It all boils down to what you're willing to put up with though. Don't sell yourself short, you're worth more than this, you deserve someone who holds you in such high regard that he would not dream of being so flirty with another woman. Don't settle for anything less. In hind sight I should have kicked my ex to the curb months, if not years before I actually did.

I hope you resolve this situation quickly. Good luck.

maxijazz · 09/09/2012 21:54

Also, I know it's frightening not knowing what the future has in store, and you are probably feeling very vulnerable but I can say from experience it does get better, quickly. I now have a wonderful husband and a baby and can't believe I put up with that prick for so long!!

Things will get better for you. Trust in yourself and lean on friends and family for support.

Inertia · 09/09/2012 22:37

Dancing, you haven't pushed him into this my love. He has engineered this- as Xales says, he got violent and threatening so you'd ask him to leave and cool down, just in time for his date. He had to go through that performance, because if you'd carried on talking rationally with one another then he would have had no justifiable reason to leave the house.

Being brutally honest, I don't think it matters where he is physically. He's left the marriage behind as an inconvenience. His behaviour seems to show that he is treating sugarfuckingtits as his primary partner, and he is painting you in the role of the nagging mother spoiling his fun.

izzyizin · 09/09/2012 23:26

You come across as the kind of woman that so many caring and respectful men would love and cherish forever, dancing, and far too many women such as yourself find out the hard way that they should have disentangled themselves from inconsiderate and abusive twunts such as your h a lot earlier in their lives.

If you should find yourself struggling to find the way forward, read and re-read your thread and come to it anytime you feel the need.

anairofhope · 09/09/2012 23:39

He has left the marrage.

Tomoro make an appointment with a solicitor and file for divorce.

Txt him now to tell him this is the way forward for you and do it. Then do not talk to him and tel him not to come back.

Leave the key in the door so he cant get back in tonight.

Good luck

Midwife99 · 10/09/2012 06:57

Men who start throwing things like tantrumming 2 years olds know they are guilty but been caught out!

MadAboutHotChoc · 10/09/2012 07:16

Blimey, I have just read this and I am gobsmacked!

Glad you have taken control of the situation.

I would see CAB and a solicitor (some offer free half hour consultations) - that way you will know where you stand legally and financially and start to feel stronger.

MrsTomHardy · 10/09/2012 07:56

Keep strong OP....you deserve much better.

bleedingheart · 10/09/2012 11:01

Oh OP! Have just read your thread in full, I am amazed by your dignity and enraged by your husband's cruelty and juvenile lifestyle.

It is easy for us to say let Miss SugarTits gave Mr StinkyBits but of course, it isn't our life. I can't help but feel, however, that your depression might lift a lot faster if he wasn't around. He is abusing you with this behaviour; gaslighting and feigning ignorance.
I understand a lack of sex can but a strain on a relationship but he gadb't tried to address that. I can't believe someone would be interested in the skanky shit; he's like a particularly cliched teenage boy - cinema, gaming, Facebook and terrible hygiene!

bleedingheart · 10/09/2012 11:02

*have not gave

bleedingheart · 10/09/2012 11:03

Aargh!

Put not but
Hadn't not gadb't

FFS!

AvonCallingBarksdale · 10/09/2012 13:53

Dancing, I've been lurking on this thread, but wanted to post to say I'm thinking of you and offering you Brew and/or Wine. I feel really Angry on your behalf - what a first prize wanker he is. Showing absolutely zero respect for you, just shocking. You deserve better than him, really you do. SFT is welcome to him, the skanky shit! I think he has already left the marriage and was acting like even more of a tosser in order for you to have to play the bad guy and chuck him out. What an utter waste of space of a man.