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over reacting?

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dancingwiththedevilonmyback · 06/09/2012 18:11

so for the last few months my rather antisocial hubby has started going out with a group of mates, im really happy about this as i think friendships outside the marraige are really important and healthy.
his best mate is a girl who is into the stuff he likes, wrestling, computer games ect. he goes out to watch films with her a lot and they socialise with others regualy, i have no issue with this, my best mate is a bloke (although he is gay) she has even kipped on our sofa when they went out so she didnt have to drive home. i have had no suspicions that anything other than friendship has occurred.
she is in a bad relationship, talks about it to him all the time, and seems to say lots of leading things like "my bf doesnt like my breasts, what do you think?" and that suggests to me she may be having thoughts towards him in a romantic way... i have told him that platonic friendships are great but its important not to give the wrong idea...
he assured me she didnt have thoughts like that.
i have become aware that his workmates have been gossiping about them, and that makes me uncomfortable, he assuered me it was one comment from someone really stupid and to take no notice.
well today he left his facebook open and thier messages were there, hundreds of messages, really really flirty.
he calls her sugar tits, says he needs to clear his mind of dirty thoughts of her, many messages of sexual teasing, nothing hardcore, all wink winky, things like, i'll let you dominate me, i'll lie there and take it, he replies i am dripping with antisipation (this is in reference to being beaten in the computer game, but its suggestive and sexual.)
he says, if we carry on going to see films together, people will be even more suspicious, more than normal" which means lots of people at thier work are already suss...
i text him and said, u left your fb open, and i read your msgs, sorry for invading your privacy but i am glad i did,
the level of flirting is unacceptable, and really dismissive of your wife. i feel humiliated after all the bending over backwards i did to accommadate your new mates.
i want this flirting to stop, i am not asking you to end your friendship, or cancel saturday (she is kipping on the sofa again) or to cancel the wrestling (they are going with 2 others to wales to watch the wrestling, him and her are sharing a twin room) i just want you to know the boundries and not overstep them.

he phoned and said nothing was going on, i said it doesnt matter if his penis stayed in his pants, the fact he has been texting her this means he has at least had an emotional or sextual affair. he said nothing had happened, and he was sorry for upsetting me, (sounding irritated now) i said i didnt need him to be sorry for upsetting me, that meant nothing to me, he needs to be sorry for doing it. he doesnt talk to me like that, so he needs to talk like that to someone else.
i said, if you want out of our marraige, tell me, i want to know, dont string me along, and drag it out, if you want out, just go. i wont stop you.
he said he loved being married to me and he loves our children, i said well that wouldnt change would it?
then i said i had to go and get kids ready for bed, and hung up.
was i overreacting?

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izzyizin · 09/09/2012 17:29

Dignity, honey? I'm nominating you for canonisation as I don't know how you managed to show such incredible restraint last night when just about every other woman on this planet would have had sugar fucking tits out on ear with the admonition to go tell her boyfriend about her antics with your h before you do.

Frankly, he deserved to booted out long ago on the grounds that his non-existent hygiene habits render him a health hazard to others and, if he's now progressed to only having 2-3 showers a week and dousing himself liberally in overpowering cologne between his infrequent and no doubt brief encounters with a few droplets of water, I suspect a gas mask would be required before any woman with a sense of smell would be willing to get up close and personal with him.

What comes across loud and clear is that your twunt of an h simply isn't worthy of you and I've got my fingers, arms, and legs, crossed that you'll be successful with your bid and can start afresh without the dead weight of this disgusting moron round your neck.

In the meantime I suggest you follow whatever course gives you the most satisfaction. In your position, I'd be laughing up my sleeve as I yanked his chain while bleeding him dry and salting away as much I could for the new home that, hopefully, may not be to long in coming

I reckon you're in the situation of asking yourself 'what is the point of him' and finding that answer comes there none. Which ain't at all surprising given that he appears to believe that the ow's mammaries are the work of a confectioner.

I can't wait for the day you tell him to go suck her sugar fucking tits and it would only be poetic justice if he chokes on them.

ThingsThatMakeYouGoHmmm · 09/09/2012 17:32

And i can not believe he is leaving it to you to put the blockers on what he's got planned.. so he can say 'sugartits my missus has told me i can't do so and so'

Then she thinks that she's got one over on you
He gets to act all butt hurt
You feel like a tyrant

Ideal world of course, he should be telling her, sorry, mrs dancing is more important to me than any friendship, i'm staying in with her tonight, and don't want to see you again or something like that but the guy is obviously a selfish prick with a wimpy nature .. i feel so bad for you i'm actually in tears here

ThingsThatMakeYouGoHmmm · 09/09/2012 17:35

Canonisation Grin

scarletforya · 09/09/2012 17:49

Here, here izzyizin and ARF @ given that he appears to believe that the ow's mammaries are the work of a confectioner

TigerStripe · 09/09/2012 17:52

Dancing, one thing I can absolutely guarantee that he'd be empathetic of would be if you emailed the smutty conversations between him and sugartits to sugartits' boyfriend. Then he will be mad and indignant on her behalf.

This whole thing is just not right. You obviously have the patience of a saint as I would have told them both to fuck off about 3 days ago and I would have emailed the boyfriend too.

KeemaNaanAndCurryOn · 09/09/2012 17:52

I really think you need to tell him to drop the friendship with this woman completely as he's already behaved inappropriately.

It wouldn't be your fault if he did this and if he ever brought it up in a row or conversation, your response would be that if HE hadn't behaved like an arsehole and if HE hadn't spent his time sending inappropriate messages then You wouldn't have given a crap.

At the moment its almost like they can carry on with your approval and you really, really deserve better than that. You really do.

Knobbers · 09/09/2012 17:53

Well said you lot!

clam · 09/09/2012 18:17

dancing won't be around for a little while, as her h is currently cooking a meal at top speed so he can be showered Hmm and ready for sugartits by 8.45

At the very least, I think I would be deciding after 8pm that he goes to the cinema with her over my dead body.

scarletforya · 09/09/2012 18:20

He's playing dumb, noone is that stupid OP. He's trying yo make you break up with him. Do, don't entertain these stupid games any more.

It doesn't matter who breaks up with who, give the prick what he wants and kick his sorry, smelly hole out of the house. Cheeky fucking bastard.

The sex thing is a red herring. He's grabbed at something, anything to justify his tawdry liason. I won't say affair because he's not even trying to keep it secret. He's rubbing your face in it. He probably loves having you dancing around trying to figure out what the fuck is going on.

I'm glad you have a good hold on your dignity. I'm firmly in the LTB brigade on here. I left one and it was the best decision I ever made. Yep, life's too short for this bullshit and he only showers twice a year and doesn't brush his teeth......eurgh. Your boot, meet his arse, meet pavement. [mad]

MrsTomHardy · 09/09/2012 18:27

Please kick his arse out.

He is taking the piss big time.

NicholasTeakozy · 09/09/2012 18:56

I can't believe this idiot is expecting to go to the cinema this evening. What an utter arse. His actions leave me pretty speechless.

ThingsThatMakeYouGoHmmm · 09/09/2012 19:03

When she turns up chuck a bucket of dirty mop water over her through the window of her car. Skanky Cow

I can't believe still that another woman could stand by knowing that she is causing this much pain and hurt to another woman, and all for a useless lump ..

If he decides to go, let her have him, then she and he can sit in seperate rooms talking to each other through xbox live or whatever they're on, worry about which of them is sending pics to someone else online, and if he treats you in this way it won't be long before he settles with her and its back to normal re stinky armpits and unwashed cock and she can move on to the next person

Then you can shut the door in his face after telling him to piss off when he tries to slither back in

You are worth more

However should a miracle happen later on and he actually cancels his plans and kicks her into touch he really really needs to do some serious thinking and putting you first, come off that games console, never touch a pc again without your knowing all about it, and making you feel like the best thing he has in his life..plus heaps of other stuff. I really hope scenario b happens.. i really do .. hugs xx

clam · 09/09/2012 19:11

As an aside though, how can you possiby have shared a house with anyone so lacking in personal hygiene? Even showering 2-3 times a week is pretty rank. Every day, no debate!!

wellwisher · 09/09/2012 19:12

Dancin you are being brilliant. It sounds like Stinky and Sugar Tits deserve each other. Fingers crossed for you to get that house.

MigratingCoconuts · 09/09/2012 19:56

We are totally with you through thick and thin Dancing!!!

You have dignity and you have self worth.

Your DH is a total and utter prick. Seriously, I am trying to find the words to covey the sheer contempt I feel for him and sugar tits right now...

mittenkitten · 09/09/2012 19:57

Normally just a lurker but this thread is making me so, so angry.

"Playing dumb" and "not understanding" what you are trying to say is actually a form of verbal abuse. This is not often recognized/ discussed. I believe I read about this in "The Verbally Abusive Relationship" and I've always remembered it because I experienced it myself.

He understands perfectly well what you are telling him. He's just pretending not to because it suits his ends.

mittenkitten · 09/09/2012 20:00

Maybe should explain this better. Verbal abuse, like all abuse, is aimed at control. By "not understanding" what you are saying, and forcing you to say it over and over and rephrase it and spend all your time thinking of how to explain it so he will finally understand, he is controlling you. I would describe it as a verbal form of gaslighting.

I hope this makes sense.

auntpetunia · 09/09/2012 20:06

OMG I have read this in total shock...he is a total twunt and as for her words fail me! dancing you have been amazing, I would have thrown such a fit when I got in to find her there with his mates the other night. They would all have been chucked out with me making it very clear that they weren't welcome back EVER.

dancingwiththedevilonmyback · 09/09/2012 20:10

he cooked dinner, and bought me wine, we had discussion about our relationship in general, how i am pushing him out, his plans to make things better ect.
it was going well.
then i turned it round to the situation in hand, he had had enough of me going on about it.
i was sick of him playing it down. i just wanted him to accept that it wasnt banter, it was flirting, and that was at least the start of an affair, that combined with the introduction of him taking more care of himself in showering, and persistantly putting her needs above my own meant he was having an affair. he refused to see it this way, he got angry, he denied showering, only washing his hair. this is a lie, i said he showers when ever he goes out with her, he said well isnt it nice to do that when going out in social situations? i said yeah but not for your wife?
i asked him why he had deleted the messages?, i said it was because he didnt want to face the reality of the conversations so he could play it down. he denied this, saying he deleted them because he doesnt care about them, i asked why he had removed the facebook google toolbar, so i could no longer see what was going on, he got very angry, saying fine i will put it back then, if you feel you have to keep tabs on me. i said yes. i do.
he started getting very angry, becoming aggressive, throwing things that got in his way, throwing the mouse at the wall, punching the wall and stairs.
i told him to leave.
he refused, saying its my house, i said, i want you to get out, where you go is not my issue. but i want you back in the morning to see to the kids as i have work, he said i will not come home and look after the children if i do not stay here.
so i said fine, i want you to leave now because i am upset and you are angry, we need to cool down, you can come back later, and stay as long as i am in bed and do not have to see you, he said no, because you want me out, you dont want me in this house, its not my house anymore.
i went outside, he has gone.

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Xales · 09/09/2012 20:17
Sad

He upped the ante, got aggressive and threatening until you asked him to leave so you asked him to leave making it all your fault.

and he managed to do this all in time to go and meet her...

dancingwiththedevilonmyback · 09/09/2012 20:19

i made him leave. he wasnt going to.

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dancingwiththedevilonmyback · 09/09/2012 20:19

ah, yes, i see what you mean now x

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GoldShip · 09/09/2012 20:21

He's a fecking idiot. Good on you for being strong.

scarletforya · 09/09/2012 20:23

he said no, because you want me out, you dont want me in this house, its not my house anymore

I feel he engineerred the 'row' so he could go out with the OW. Sad He is playing with you OP. I'm so impressed you stood up to him like that. I think the penny is now dropping with him that he can't manipulate you as easily as he thought and he is not the puppetmaster he obviously thought he was.

Hope you are ok Brew

ThingsThatMakeYouGoHmmm · 09/09/2012 20:30

He definately 100% engineered that argument it was designed to make you tell him to leave so now in his stupid mind he has a 'right' to do what he wants because 'you' chucked him out

He is far from stupid hun .. my DP did this when he was up to no good, pissing me off until i snapped then he was 'single' because i had told him to leave ergo he could sleep with whoever he wanted until he decided to come back to us.

I am positively fuming for you now Angry i wish i was there so i could bang their heads together for completely taking advantage of your trust and kindness.
And please tell me her name is not Helen!

am so tempted to tell you to cave his head in with the xbox