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Honey traps leading to kinky fuckery and other dating adventures (No 21)

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KirstyWirsty · 29/08/2012 14:32

I want to know what Nicholas's tip was ... and the last thread was full!

OP posts:
watchoutforthatsnail · 07/09/2012 09:10

Snape :(

No advice, just know I'm thinking of you.

snapespeare · 07/09/2012 09:41

thank you, you are all just incredibly lovely to take the time to post.

yoga I think it's always just been on the back-burner. I've been bad/wrong in telling myself for the last two years or so , 'alright, he doesn't fancy me, he's wrong Hmm I do still fancy him, but that's OK, I can kind of bury that in order to be friends' Of course that has had it's difficulties. We've got a lot closer and seen a lot more of each other over the last couple of months. that has kind of prompted the recent 'frenzy/honeytrap' because i recognise it isnt healthy, i need to sort things out and giving myself a time limit on that (end September-ish) has helped me focus. I'd probably be reasonably happy to keep things as they are, but i do recognise that that isnt healthy.

sponge thank you darling, that is kind. :)

Taghain oo, hello. well he is very insecure, rubbish self esteem, suffers depression and the libido thing is a known side effect of his medication. my particular brand of low-self-esteem results in me thinking it's ridiculous that anyone would ever actually want me for my body anyway- except the prof seems to. Hmm

scatty on paper yes. the prof is fab. tall, handsome, very intelligent, really funny, communicative. however - it's a fling - he wants kids I probably don't/won't/can't. There is absolutely no question of me falling in love with him (not only PM-based) - it is 80% kinky fuckery (and by that I mean ridiculously kinky) I don't feel cherished. I feel a bit whore-ish tbh.

leuji I know. Not healthy in the slightest. I dont feel like I am acting particularly well when I have this 'hidden' agenda. With regards to dating others, I try every so often, I do compare men to PM and they come out wanting and so I drop them. I try to move on and end up circling back. I think I either need to work on acceptance that we won't be a couple and remain friends or jump him. The question of cutting him out because we're not 'together' just isn't a possibility.

we had a conversation a while ago - I said I had only really ever dated friends who became lovers - i liked to get to know someone before an intimacy develops. He thought this ridiculous - very visual, knows if he fancies someone straight off. Months pass. We were talking on tuesday about how people fall in love, how we both enjoyed that feeling of intimacy and shared experience - he said it was akin to marmite. You don't particularly think of marmite as nice, one day you wake up and theres a jar in your cupboard and you just think it's the best thing ever. Hmm sometimes i have no idea whether he is doing this on purpose whether he thinks my previously rather clumsy attempts to seduce him have just...gone away or my feelings have changed (yes, yes they have - they've got worse) whether he is, in fact an idiot and it will never work out because he is an actual idiot.

Anyway, he's away this weekend which gives me even more sodding thinking time. Let's talk about you for a change, because as has rightly been pointed out, this is doing my head in. (and of course not talking about things makes everything so much better...)

MadameOvary · 07/09/2012 09:42

Snape Sad
IF you knew he definitely couldn't be in a relationship with you - which would be HIS issue remember, and no reflection on you - could you still be friends? Because you could go down the route of "I have to tell you, just out of honesty and a wish to move on, whatever the outcome"
Because my sweet, if he can't be more than a friend, you deserve your freedom to find someone who can.
Even if freedom is the last thing you want right now, being stuck in this situation is not being kind to yourself. It's saying you're only good enough for emotional limbo with kinky fuckery as a distraction.
I've only been on this thread a short time and I can tell you deserve way more than that.

Yogagirl17 · 07/09/2012 10:00

Ok snape well if you want a distraction (of the non-kinky-fuckery sort) I will oblige, but you know we're all here when you want to talk.

So Mr Stax - had a very nice date on Sunday eve. No massive chemistry but fun. Text on monday saying he'd like to do it again - possible 2nd date arranged for this Sunday. More texting monday evening with some flirting (totally initiated by me). Nothing since then and Ive seen him on dating sights. Don't really mind that he's been on the dating sights (clearly I have too!) but thinking probably not worth the effort, neither one of us seems that keen. Might just bail out of Sunday night...if it's even still on.

Been chatting to funny, nice-looking (but possibly drunk Hmm) musician in Ireland. Clearly going nowhere, going to a stop to it today.

Couple of messages from gorgeous American soldier but also clearly going nowhere. Nice ego-boost though! Smile

On a more promising note, been chatting for a couple of days to a new guy - think I'll call him Coffee Man (he sent me a photo of his shiny coffee maker - more of a turn on for me than a cock shot any day!! Grin Grin). Some potential there so will keep u all posted.

At least I'm getting some free food and drinks out of dating! (I always offer to split the bill but as I'm totally skint at the moment I don't fight too hard if they refuse).

Yogagirl17 · 07/09/2012 10:04

Oh and in the mean time I'm still thinking of doing some very dirty things with David Tennant and those drawstring trousers Blush

MadameOvary · 07/09/2012 10:53

Oh bloody hell. You know when you're chatting away and they drop a bomb, the one that makes you go "Nuh-uh, no way" Well I just had that moment. He's a Tory (bad enough) but clearly thick as mince and some of the things he was saying have made my jaw drop.
Rolls eyes - time for the last message.

Yogagirl17 · 07/09/2012 11:15

LOL MadameO, you not going to tell us what he said? C'mon I'm clearly bored here, help me out! ;)

My Irish musician wants to friend me on Facebook. He is really very cute but told him I have to follow my own advice and I would kill my daughter if she ever friended someone she didn't know!

MadameOvary · 07/09/2012 11:24

Yoga, I will PM you. It's priceless Grin
Yep, ignore the friend request, too soon! (Been there)

Lueji · 07/09/2012 11:32

MO, and leaving everyone else in the dark?
Very naughty!

snapespeare · 07/09/2012 11:35

Tory! Deal breaker! One doesnot fuck a Tory (they fuck us!) That would be very, very angry sex!

Yogagirl17 · 07/09/2012 11:42

MadameO - oh dear!

To be fair, he hasn't actually sent me a friend request, he was trying to share a video with me (I asked about his music - I don't think it's anything dodgey!). He said he made it public but I still can't see it and not going to friend him.

OhWesternWind · 07/09/2012 11:55

Snape. Sorry you seem to be feeling pretty down at the moment. I'm left with the impression that being this close to pm without the extra closeness you need is just torturing yourself. What an awful situation. I think I would be tempted to either lay my cards on the table (either by telling him or seeing how he responded to a "move") or by backing off and giving myself some space. If you did the first option, at least you would know for sure and can at best ride off into the sunset together or at worst be able to move in with your life in time. The worst and most soul-destroying thing is to hang on in an unhappy situation hoping things will change and kidding yourself that you're okay with the way things are. I've been there myself (different scenario though) and it is just a recipe for unhappiness and, worse, for denying yourself the chance to move on and find happiness/reciprocated love/fulfilment or whatever you are looking for. So sorry if this sounds harsh, it is just hard to see you so unhappy in this situation.

MadameOvary · 07/09/2012 12:02

Lueji - have PM'ed you. And anyone else who wants to see it, can. Just don't want to make it public Grin

watchoutforthatsnail · 07/09/2012 12:25

Snape, you sound so down.
It is an unhealthy situation, you know that. Probably unhealthy for both of you.
But you are stuck, he wont make a move, you won't, pretty much for the same reasons.

He is away this weekend, could you write a heartfelt note to him, explaining to him, but not having to do it face to face.... Putting something in that if he doesn't feel the same, to never mention it and you will see him in the gym at < whenever>

Least then you will know, It's got to be better knowing.....

snapespeare · 07/09/2012 12:38

madameO thats an interesting perspective regarding 'moving on is the last thing I want right now' and my ability to enter into other-relationships as some kind of punishment. My last relationship, 6 years was with a good-enough friend, so i got drunk and slept with - with the benefit of hindsight, he was a fucking terrible boyfriend - looked like a garden gnome, atrocious teeth, started off being great with the kids, ended up sitting at my kitchen table every friday and saturday, driking rum while I dashed around after the DCs and cooked him dinner. Obviously the sex was outstanding because it had to be. I had ridiculously low self esteem at the time and thought that was all i deserved. With regards to PM, it would take someone pretty fucking amazing to turn my head and I dont want to settle for some kind of substitute. (this is not to put PM on a pedestal, I am well aware of his myriad of faults and complexities.)

I know the options - I either need to

Absolutely regard him as a 'just' friend and gain a little distance, regarding the lust as a blip (1) because i'm horny (2) because he's hot (3) because his hair is stupid today... or

Continue with the flirting with a defined end-date, increasing the levels of frustration until something 'has-to-give'. say something that cant be misinterpreted. no idea what.

Marry Matt Smith. Move to France.

I know it cant go on like this indefinately. It's finding the courage to alter the status quo & not being 100% certain of the outcome.

If he didnt want to be in a relationship with me (which is utterly his issue, I'm pretty fucking awesome) then, yes - we would still be friends. we're tighter having come through my historical occasional clumsy passes.

yoga you were putting 'a stop' to irish musician Hmm coffee man sounds interesting! Grin at pic of coffee machine. :)

western not harsh, not at all - thank you for your thoughts.

snapespeare · 07/09/2012 12:47

watch dear GOD, no.

I'm coming around to the 'marry-matt-smith-move-to-france option.'

watchoutforthatsnail · 07/09/2012 12:52

Really??,

Hmmm, what about actually watching fwaaf with him, and when she says the bit, saying ' gosh, I know how she feels',
While taking your top off making eye contact?

snapespeare · 07/09/2012 13:05

I would prefer to actually grow the balls have the integrity to manage to choke out my feelings face to face so i can see the look of abject horror on his face. Must be brave, at some unspecified point.

If i have to watch FWAAF, I'll cry. we were talking about it the other day when he said he'd do a reading at my fictious-never-going-to-happen-wedding. I suggested 'stop all the clocks.' Hmm

pfft just got a text - 'I'll miss the cold pool, who would have thought i'd fall in love with the gym ;-)'

watchoutforthatsnail · 07/09/2012 13:07

Reply - typo? Surely you meant ' Fall in love at the gym'

:)

MadameOvary · 07/09/2012 13:18

I would hazard a guess that what might work is for him to find you generally agitated and stropping over something fictitous like losing your keys or something, and then say "Oh and the fact I have something I need to get off my chest isn't helping"
When you have his attention, say "Look, this is doing my head in, I have feelings for you and no idea what to do about it. Help me out here. Please!"

Depending on his response you can then either say "Sorry, it's not MY fault you're hot" and make a joke of it or say "Great, can we shag now please? Whenever you're ready. And I'm free next June for the wedding"

So it looks completely unplanned. Any good?

snapespeare · 07/09/2012 13:20

:-) clearly this is what he actually^ means. avoidance!

replied -

'Oh, the gym will be there waiting - I wouldn't worry too much'

now i'm going to ignore him all weekend.

snapespeare · 07/09/2012 13:25

Madame O. Let me think about this. I'm not discarding this out of hand. I am thinking about it - which is a progression.

what i really want him to do is ask what's happening with the prof, so i can basically say it's not working out - and PM knows why - but the last time he asked we were lounging in the hydro-pool and I am not flinging myself at him when i'm barely wearing any clothes.

MadameOvary · 07/09/2012 13:31

Snape. The scenario is yours to do with as you wish. I will not sulk if you'd rather not do it. It's the sort of devious thing I would do quite well as I would be mindful of any after-effects and would keep any tears disappointment well hidden.
The key to a successful recovery, IMHO, is showing relief whatever the outcome in a "Thank fuck that's out the way, Tea?" kind of way.

Yogagirl17 · 07/09/2012 13:37

Was sent this quote from a lovely guy I talked to on GS ages ago:

"Until one is committed there is hesitancy, the chance to draw back, always ineffectiveness. Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation), there is one elementary truth, the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then Providence moves too."

Snape - only you know what's right. xxx

(Right, off to get rid of the irish musician. And the American soldier who I may have accidentally started flirting with...)

Scattylatte · 07/09/2012 13:51

Snape: I have been wondering what I would do. I would probably set myself a date to blurt out everything to him and in the meantime build up a distraction, whether that be work, study, some kind of dangerous activity or something to keep my mind off it once the blurt was out. I think I would write it down because I would be emotional. I would be very clear: We have a wonderful friendship that I cherish: This is how I feel about you: This is how long I have felt like this. I would also say that I can carry on with friendship as long as I know there is NO HOPE of things developing. With the potential of hope thrown in its mental torture. I would then have a break for a while to get myself together.

I was seriously ill once and the not knowing was far worse than the knowing, even though the knowing was awful for a while I got used to it because I knew what I was dealing with. Hopefully waiting is not something I can go through again without significant distress to myself.

I dont know you: from how you write and what you say, you do sound quite wonderful. You dont need to know his reasons if there is nothing more than a fab friendship.

Nothing from my riviting inbox today. I dont look forward to messages, they mean nothing.
Random re-message man wants to meet me for coffee in London tomorrow. I need to mow my lawn.
Detective with flappy shirts suggested meeting for a glass of vino but how can I when I would have to drive and his shirts put me off.
American man who needs a tour guide is anxious whether I will meet him or not...probably not.
Got a very nice compliment and best wishes from a man on OKC with nothing on his profile and nothing no photo.

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