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Think my DH is sleeping with someone but can't prove it - WWYD?

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Brassica · 03/08/2012 09:24

This is long, sorry. My DH and I have been married for 6 years and have 18 month old twins. He has previously been a completely exemplary husband - so loving, thoughtful, attentive, reassuring, fun-loving, cuddly, open, kind... Yet recently I have found myself more and more sure that he is cheating because there is stuff I just can't explain any other way, and most of it revolves around the use of his work Blackberry.

  1. Firstly, he is quite distant. Gone are the spontaneous hugs, hand holds, kisses, 'love you's, etc and that was the first thing I noticed. I put it down to being so rushed with the twins that opportunities to do it are lost. We have averaged sex about once a month since they came along - I have not been initiating it really because of tiredness/slight hang ups over my body but he has not seemed bothered at all - has never seemed discontent about it.
  2. He disappears upstairs on his own every evening (at least once, sometimes several times) and is not checking on the twins. Gone for 5-15 minutes each time. No mention when he comes down that he's been doing anything. Each time it is when I am safely occupied with something - washing up, watching something on TV. Yesterday I quietly came upstairs to see if I could hear what he was doing but couldn't - all I could tell was he was in our room with the lights off and when I asked 'what were you doing in there?!' he just said 'nothing' and stepped into the twins' room to check on them.
  3. He keeps his Blackberry on his person at all times - which he has never done before. In the past if he's needed to look at work emails etc then it has been done openly and explaining that he's promised to deal with something.
  4. Keeping his Blackberry on him is done secretly - I only know because I check his bag periodically at times when it should be there and it's not, but then a bit later it quietly reappears.
  5. The reason why I have started checking where it is is that the other week he came in very late after a work night out, and although he woke me up I think he thought I'd dozed off again. He stood with his back to the bed tapping away on a device - I thought he must be checking cricket scores on his phone or something, but then at the end he dropped the device into his bag and it was therefore his Blackberry. At 1.30am and while drunk/tired is anyone checking work emails?
  6. I can't remember when it started but for a while now (weeks? months?) he has engineered a reason to leave the house without me on days when we are there together - volunteering to take the twins for a walk "so I can have a break" or going to the supermarket, or on Sunday going into town to see the end of the women's road race. On Sunday he took his camera with him and in the bag was his Blackberry (I had a very swift look)...
  7. It was my birthday the other week - a 'special' one - and although he ticked all the boxes pretty much like taking me out for lunch, it didn't feel like a special one from his end. He didn't say happy birthday for about the first 5 minutes we were awake, he didn't remember to get me a present or card from the twins, he didn't 'make a fuss of me'. I had a party with lots of friends and family and I think the old DH would have said a few words but he didn't.

So it's just unsubstantiated hunches but I am struggling to see why he would be doing this stuff apart from to allow him to contact someone else either by phone or text/email without me knowing. The twins must serve as a great distraction because he knows when I am dealing with them I can't do much else.

I tried to broach the subject the other day but only got as far as addressing the distant attitude, which he has apparently tried to put right the last few days, so there have been more kisses and a bit more attentiveness, but he didn't even react when I mentioned about our sex life being too sporadic. I felt as though I couldn't challenge him on the Blackberry use because I don't have a shred of evidence.

So what would you do? I don't have a clue what the password is for his Blackberry so I can't take a look at it (on the rare occasion it's not on his person). If I bring up my suspicions then he's just going to deny it, isn't he? He'll find reasons to explain it and cast doubt on my gut feeling. I find it unbelievable that he, of all people, could cheat, but then I find the way he's behaving even more unbelievable at the moment.

OP posts:
Glaringstrumpet · 10/08/2012 20:32

I don't understand the 'don't snoop' attitude.

I think the DP would have to be a very open and demonstrably loving partner to be horribly upset to find that OP had snooped. It is underhand, but if my DH had set a private investigator on me because he thought I was having an affair I think I might be a bit flattered rather than disgusted because he hadn't trusted me.

I mean so many couples divorce that we are all aware that things can go wrong.

Abitwobblynow · 10/08/2012 22:48

natural worrier says: the best approach to men is the direct one.

Yes, I used to believe I understood men, as well. So perhaps NW could comment on the flaws of the following exchange and point me to where I went wrong and how I should have communicated a bit more directly perhaps:

Wobbly: Are you having an affair?
Mr W: no I am not, I don't love you anymore, I should never have married you and you are a terrible wife.

[Wobbly spends the next year working on what a terrible wife she has been, whilst Mr W fucks OW in their own house, and OW has 'sleepovers' on Wobbly's side of the bed].

Later, after he got caught and declared he never loved OW and she didn't mean anything, he said that when I asked that question he thought 'oh shit, say anything to sidetrack her'. Worked pretty well, don't you think?

As for my stupidity, you see I took this REALLY FOOLISH line: why would the love of my life, my best friend, the person who I have been through so much together, lie? He is the one person on earth who will stand by me. Therefore, it must be the marriage, ergo my bad behaviour, focus on that. [What that did, was compound the betrayal].

Natural Worrier, you HAVE NO IDEA. You have clearly never been in this situation before, so I don't think you have a right to pontificate.

phoenixrose314 · 11/08/2012 06:35

Emotions run high in a thread like this. I think we should all take a deep breath and calm down - at the end of the day, you are both just trying to help Brassica by offering a point of view. Please don't get upset over differing opinions, okay?

x

Spree · 11/08/2012 09:32

Ok I didn't read through the whole thread but just to offer up a couple of things to those who are snooping but can't find anything.

I have been in that position so I completely understand.

If your H uses a blackberry, check your home computer to see if he has ever backed up blackberry on your home computer, you will find something called blackberry desktop manager.

There are files called blackberry backup files that will have been saved and there is a software you can run to be able to read all emails & messages for the day it is backed up.

If you are able to get hold of his blackberry for at least 10 - 20 mins, you can put on a software which will enable you to see everything he is typing, google mobistealth.

Good luck

Glaringstrumpet · 11/08/2012 10:32

Think you would need a password for this but a Private Investigator would know.

angelpinkcar · 11/08/2012 23:16

What about an I Phone??? Just had a look he has kept messages from my mum on his phone. Weird, it makes me feel as if I am a really bad wife for even thinking of it but can't help feeling no no no you are right to feel uneasy. DH is back home now for a few days so will see what happens, He is very moody and argumentative as usual.

Brassica · 12/08/2012 15:16

I now know he is cheating, no further doubt in my mind. I walked in on him this morning fiddling with his BB and he believes he hid it before I saw what he was doing. You have rarely seen a more guilty expression & of course he has been very chatty and helpful since then. I will tackle him once the twins are in bed & we have a decent amount of time to do so. What a twat to behave in such a cliched way.

OP posts:
solittletimeandsomuchtodo · 12/08/2012 15:47

Hope your chat goes well Brassica!
Sorry to hear this but glad you have some answers.

HectorBrocklebank · 12/08/2012 15:49

I know - it's a horrible sick feeling. Thinking of you.

MamaMary · 12/08/2012 15:51

De-lurking to say I'm sorry to hear that, Brassica. Your instincts were right. I also hope you get some answers and honesty from him. However, if he keeps following the cliches, he'll probably lie to you. :(

Ormiriathomimus · 12/08/2012 16:22

So sorry brassica. God luck with the chat x

Luckystar96 · 12/08/2012 16:25

Good luck with your chat tonight. I know just how you feel, although as yet you have no firm proof it is an affair. Whatever it is, please be prepared for him to try and minimise the facts and for the whole truth to come out in dribs and drabs, if at all. I really hope he does tell you the absolute truth as its the only way you will ever be able to trust him in any way again.
My H is working extremely hard at being honest and open now and the perfect partner, it's sometimes almost funny. I have been going through hell these past 2 mnths since the revelations and am only just beginning to think straight about anything. I am feeling more in control now though and it is quite empowering that there are no more secrets and I kind of have the upper hand in the relationship now.
Take care. Sad

Anifrangapani · 12/08/2012 16:52

Sweetheart. Xxxx Sad.
I don't normally comment on threads like this, but I would recommend staying away from the wine. I also found keeping the pointy fingers to a minimum helped- it comes across a lot more forcefully if you keep the emotions in check. I did it once one way and the other the next time.

NW for what it is worth it was not my behaviour that that caused his nob end behaviour. It is his desire to put his emotional needieness before the stability of his family. To suggest that me and all the other people who have been on the wrong end of a threeway relationship were in any way responsible is offensive. If a person is not happy then they can pipe up and say so. If they want their ego stroked they have affairs. It is their choice. What pissed me off was the lies and the oh no dear you are going nuts. I have always said to my husband that if he wants to shag someone else go and do it.,but do not lie about it anr do not be upset if I go and do the same.

fuzzpig · 12/08/2012 16:55

Oh no brassica :( so sorry to read your latest post.

There is no reason he would hide it so quickly if it was a work thing. :(

MadAboutHotChoc · 12/08/2012 17:01

Stay calm and let him to all the talking - they reveal so much more that way.

Good luck x

KirstyWirsty · 12/08/2012 17:02

Sorry to hear that Brassica

Hope you can manage to make it through today ok x

Krumbum · 12/08/2012 17:06

Watch him put in his blackberry password.
Look when he's asleep.

MusicForTheMasses · 12/08/2012 17:25

Be prepared for him to deny it and lie to your face, you need to be strong, but you will be. x

KirstyWirsty · 12/08/2012 17:35

Krumbum if only it was so simple!!

My 'D'H guarded the phone with his life and there was NO WAY he'd let me see the screen especially when entering the password

skyebluesapphire · 12/08/2012 18:46

brassica - sorry to read this - my H became very guarded with his phone and was texting OW. He did the speech - see abitwobblynow above, I was a terrible wife, he didnt love me anymore and he walked out. After he left I discovered facebook chat, which led me to check mobile bills which showed over 100 texts a day to OW, over a 3 month period, during which time he slowly detached from me and DD but I couldnt see it at the time.

the first email I saw he said to her "you are a very clever girl to know so much". as soon as I saw that my stomach turned and I just knew and thats why I checked facebook.

FWIW my STBXH is still denying that there is anything going on with his best mates wife, he moved in with them..... and they both say that they are just good friends who are supporting each other (and the band played believe it if you like)......

what hurts most is that he told her all our problems and I didnt know we had any, walked out, came back, texted her all day every day while he came back.

Sadly these men will do anything when their head is turned by OW. My loving trustworthy loyal kind loving husband has turned into a complete stranger.

Good luck with your chat, the post above is sensible, the calmer you stay, the more you will probably get out of him....

Krumbum · 12/08/2012 19:02

Kirstywirsty. What would he say when you asked why he was so secretive about it? I directly ask my fiancée for his pin code if he refused to tell me then he obviously has something to hide.

Olympicnmix · 12/08/2012 21:09

Thinking of you, Brassica ((hug))

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dondon33 · 13/08/2012 03:41

Hope you're ok Brassica x

LurkingAndLearningLovesCats · 13/08/2012 03:55

Been following this thread since the beginning...I can't offer wise words like other MNetters, but I am so sorry. xx

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