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The Brave Babes Battle Bus - All Going On A Sober Holiday! <crosses fingers that it stays sunny>

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Mouseface · 25/07/2012 12:56

Hello, tis me, mouse Smile

Welcome to The Brave Babes Battle Bus, grab yourself a seat, they're really comfy and a Brew, oh and a home-made chocolate chip Biscuit before they all get eaten!

We're a Bus full of alcohol abusers/addicts, some of us say it out loud, some whisper it and some aren't ready to say it at all just yet.

That said, there are a few of us who just have the occasional drink and that's something that they can handle. There are a few of us who must NEVER have another drink because that first one will lead to many, many more which will only ever end badly.

We're open to all....there are no requirements to join us on our journey to sobriety, there's support, great laughs, tears and tantrums here and that's just me!!! Grin

If you'd like to see how we got here, follow THIS LINK

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mrsm68 · 03/08/2012 12:25

obrigada I am surprising myself with my openness. I think it's just that this bus is so damn cosy and safe that I just can't stop my chatter Wink

Mouseface · 03/08/2012 12:25

Joey - I love that quote Smile

From the mouths of babes huh?

Yes, my XP is a spineless man. If he can dodge the bullet, he will. If he's given an 'out' he takes it. When I was expecting DD, we'd already split up, he was given one chance to be a part of our lives. I offered him the very precious chance to be with her every day and see her grow, change, be.

He declined.

Luckily.

Wink xx

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Mouseface · 03/08/2012 12:28

Obrigada -

Start anywhere you like. Just start typing and see where it takes you. You've not been around much and I've been thinking of you, and others of course.

Empty your head here, this Bus is for life, not just for drinkers Wink

On a serious note, why not just put some words on the screen and see how they turn out?

Let us help you xx

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ruralreynard · 03/08/2012 12:37

Morning babes,
Got through last night phew!!!!Smile
So day 6 AGAIN failure day last week.
mrsm good for you. The babes on the bus will
help you if you waver later, without them I wouldn't
have got this far.
mouse a family member had that same surgery.
It was a total success and turned his life aroond. I am just sorry
you have to wait due to recovery time.
Can really relate to your anger regarding XP.
Iv'e been in that situation in the past.
Sometimes remembering still brings back the raw anger
I felt at the time.
koti I think we shared that dream last night. Grin
I feel rubbish too, just can't sleep without the knockout juice Sad
In a way thats helped me to keep going as I find it quite worrying that
I am that dependant on alcohol for a nights sleep.
Bye for now babesxx

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dementedma · 03/08/2012 12:41

mrsm glad you are sticking with us and finding it a safe place. I don't know how I ever got through life without it.
mouse oh mouse. no words for you, just love and respect and total admiration. You are one of the most inspiring people I have ever met - have an Olympic gold medal and a bacon butty Grin
Had two glasses of wine last night, so still clinging on to the roofrack of moderation.

Mouseface · 03/08/2012 13:02

Koti - I was on Tramadol and codeine phosphate. Shit loads of it. I weaned myself off them because I was taking double the about of codeine, 60mg x2, and using Tramadol to help me sleep so overdosing on that too.

Because of Nemo's needs, I have to be as pain free as possible. I regularly decrease the MST (prolonged release morphine) so that I get a 'dip' and then can build up. It's something I've done from the start.

When I go back to the pain clinic, the plan is to wean the MST down again and add some Tramadol in short term, then swap back again.

Juggling the meds stops my receptors becoming saturated, therefore they work!

Oramorph works best as a 'hit' because I can take it as the MST starts to kick in.

Thank you so much for your advice, I'm sorry to hear that you're in pain, can I ask what it is that you suffer with?

Rural - you WILL get there re the sleep. I used herbal sleeping pills for two weeks, and ONLY two weeks prescribed by the GP to help when I stopped pickling my organs. If you feel you can, go and see your GP.

Take that step and get some help. You aren't the first person in the surgery to have an abusive relationship with alcohol, you won't be the last. What have you got to lose?

Or try AA? Have you been already? I forget. Blush

Ma - xx

Right, lunch!!!

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aliasjoey · 03/08/2012 13:23

right this week has not been good - stress has triggered a few nights alcohol Sad but I'm on holiday now and will not drink until we go away to a lovely hotel with spa next week. Would be nice to go into the spa glowing with health, eh? The fact that I was drinking last night and didn't have a hangover this morning shows how quickly my poor body gets used to the alcohol...

Starting to panic over DDs birthday. Was planning to take her and friend to water-park, but the weather forecast is awful. She's seen the latest (decent) films, been swimming already this week....

Have an idea about giving her some dosh and allowing them to go round shopping centre by themselves (they are 10) for a couple of hours. This is this first time she has been allowed to do that. Do you think this is a good idea? It's a small centre, been there loads and I'd give her my mobile in case of any problems. We'd say we'll be in coffee shop for the last hour also.

mrsm68 · 03/08/2012 13:51

aliasjoey It depends on the child, if your DD is sensible enough then yes let her go. You will be nearby and she will have your mobile, you are doing everything you can to keep her safe yet still allowing her some freedom to build her confidence.

swallowedAfly · 03/08/2012 14:03

don't forget to ask the friend's mum joey.

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Mouseface · 03/08/2012 14:21

Koti - Degenerative Disc Disease, Facet Joint Syndrome, what looks like the beginning of a spur on my left pelvic half and Herniated Discs.... you win Wink

I just get to a point where nothing works so I pull back a bit, lower the dose for a week or two, then increase by 15mg at a time. It's a fine line between feeling the relief of the drugs and just feeling stoned.

Drinking made me feel numb and stoned so that was why the self medicating at night was so good, I could just shut down for a few hours. I know this might sound strange but it's nice to have a pain buddy Smile

Joey - I wouldn't let me DD at 10 but we'd only just moved here so didn't know the area. She goes into town now, one of us drops a few of them off and them picks up after a few hours.

I'd go into town with them if other girl's mum is okay with it, make sure they both have your number and credit on fully charged phones, sit in a cafe, do your shopping etc, leaving them to wander round town and then agree to meet somewhere at a set time.

Sorry you've had a rubbish week xx

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obrigada · 03/08/2012 14:37

Will give it a go Mouse

Thoughts in my head this minute - I feel insignificant, a sort of after thought,

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Fairenuff · 03/08/2012 15:02

Obrigada just let it splurge out. It doesn't matter if it doesn't make sense.

< wonders if 'splurge' is a real word > Confused Grin

Rural I agree with Mouse, the sleep will come. This morning I woke expecting to feel the effects of the usual hangover. Even after all this time not drinking, or just drinking a little, in those few seconds inbetween sleep and wake, part of me still expects to wake up feeling drained, thirsty, queasy, headachy. Then reality hits and it's a wonderful, exciting feeling, a brilliant start to the day. The complete opposite to a hangover in fact Smile

shows how quickly my poor body gets used to the alcohol Joey I used to think that. What I thought was hangover-free was actually just me running at 50% . . .

I agree that if you think she's mature enough and the other parent is ok with it, they would be fine. Alternatively drop them off at somewhere like Pizza Hut and come back later to pick them up and pay the bill.

Hi to RobotHamster, take a seat and join in with the chit chat when you feel ready.

Hey ma, it's good to see you up here on the roofrack. You and me, beating the booze and fighting the flab together. Go Team GB (Great Babes) Grin

venuesandmarathons · 03/08/2012 16:14

So GB isn't giant babes?

Fairenuff · 03/08/2012 16:25
Grin

How about Gorgeous Babes?

venuesandmarathons · 03/08/2012 16:44

Creeps out cautiously.... hoping that faire isn't around...

Joey I also used to find meditation was difficult all that 'feel the breath through your nose' stuff. And then I went on a Mindfulness course, for a week Shock And suddenly it was different. The tutor talked about mind full ness, rather than trying to have an empty mind, and now I rejoice in having a full and busy mind, rather than feeling than it was another indicator of my failure. I can email you details if you want.

theresafire re the antabuse, just to say that antabuse prevents the breakdown of the products of alcohol (mainly acetaldehyde), which is why it makes you feel so awfully sick. If you drink in the hours/day before taking it the breakdown process will not yet be complete, so you might feel awful and sick instantly, because the acetaldehyde will not be able to be broken down further.

Actually, for all of us, the above paragraph shows that even though we think we've recovered by the next day, our bodies are still processing alcohol or it's breakdown products, and that is probably why when we suddenly stop drinking we feel so awful (seeing the hangover through to the end).....

mrsm hopefully your Friday evening is going well. If tonight's the night for not drinking, then plan for it in the same way as you'd plan for an night on the booze. Buy lots of non-alcoholic drinks you think you might like, get in some dvds that you want to watch, plan an activity for early morning tomorrow.... On your question about does alcohol make us speak the truth? well, it's certainly a dis-inhibitor. So in the manner of 'dutch courage' then perhaps HALF a glass of wine might reduce your inhibitions sufficiently that you can move from simpering across the room at some guy, to actually going and speaking to him. But SEVEN glasses of wine is likely to have a much more complex effect on your brain. It bypasses normal rational thinking puts you in touch with hurts from your childhood / adolescence, and then layers on top all the cynicism of adulthood. So a grain of truth - yes, but wound up in so much other stuff that it's difficult the discern what the kernel of that truth ever was.

thurso last night I'd been out and returned home hoping that dp had opened a bottle of wine so that I could have a glass. He hadn't, so I couldn't. But I woke up this morning stiff necked and head-ached feeling like I had. How strange it all is.

mouse I was laughing out loud at your phrase "his cock kept falling into other women" - no laughing matter, but fab, fab, way of describing it. But better than that I loved what you wrote about "untangle ourselves from the ball of fury we wound ourselves into". I am sure that one day I will use that phrase (if I may?)

obrigada please just ramble. Post anything that comes into your head, don't hold back, don't worry whether it makes sense. Or if you can't do it here write it down. All around my house are notebooks (lover of stationary missgee and isindie please take note) with random jottings and words and half phrases.

koti if your troublesome neighbours really have moved out then, actually do you need champagne? Can you not just sit with a cup of peppermint tea and savour 30 minutes of peace and silence?

And finally...... faire I'm loving your posts. I think you've taken on the mantle of BB wise-woman Smile

buddy123 · 03/08/2012 17:25

Hello ladies, it's been a while since I've last posted I'm afraid I've not been doing too well and couldn't have made a useful contribution! Once again, I am day 2 (feels like day 200) and feeling crappy. This giving up booze lark is so bloody hard!! I feel grotty and quite emotional but determined not to drink tonight (and it's Friday!)

Happy Friday ladies, let's try not to use it as an excuse to have a glass!

xx

Silver66 · 03/08/2012 17:56

Hey Babes

Checking in Grin

all good in this household this evening, after a fraught emotional car wreck of a week (nothing to do with alcohol!).

Tell you what - you could pay good money for a lot of the advice on this thread Grin

Fairenuff · 03/08/2012 18:20

Hi Buddy This giving up booze lark is so bloody hard!! So true, so true. That's why it's easiest only to do it once.

Is that wise enough for you venus Wink

Actually, does anyone remember Blackadder - 'Two things must ye know of the wise woman . . .' Grin

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mrsm68 · 03/08/2012 19:42

Day 1 and 7.40pm not too bad so far. Felt tempted but managed not to act on it.

ruralreynard · 03/08/2012 20:22

Hi babes,
Welcome robothamster step aboard when you are ready its a cosy friendly bus,
So many of you are are top form in the wisdom department today.
Faire your posts are inspired you must be the wise woman from blackadder.
First she is...a woman and second she is.....wise. Yes thats you Grin
mouse Thanks for the reassurance and suggestions regarding my lack of sleep problem. You are an amazing woman you have so much to cope with but always have time for all the babes on here who need help.
I will give it a few more days and try sleeping tablets if it doesn't improve.
I really can't take my alcohol problem to my own gp, so many reasons the main ones being I live in a very small rural community and I know my gp and his family on a personal basis.
I haven't tried AA. I would I know they help a lot of people. Maybe one day I will but at the moment I do not want to totally abstain.
I am hoping to take control of my drinking, if I fail AA is an option.
Family calling me,
see you all laterxx

Mouseface · 03/08/2012 20:41

Evening, tis me, Mouse

Just a quick selfish post from me if I may.

I've just had to pass a new NG feeding tube down into Nemo's tummy. I have to do this every 4 - 6 weeks. DH pins him down. I do the medical side of things.

He cried and begged me not to do it, tears streaming down his face shouting 'no tube mamma bear, please mamma bear'

I'm not sure right now just how much more I can take wrt having to do this. Of course I don't want anyone else doing it. Ever. But the tube got stuck again in the top of his lung, he stopped breathing (chocked because of his narrow airway, set back chin so the tube can block his breathing briefly) and then vomited.

DH stopped functioning and panicked. I just calmly removed the tube and lay Nemo on his side whilst he vomited,holding him still, cleaning his face and mouth.

I am crying typing this our because my little boy begged me not to do something that I have no choice over at this moment in time.

The day that he no longer needs these tubes will be a day for HUGE celebration. It is coming. It is so very near so we are refusing a gastroscopy (sp? tube into his tummy - too much risk of infection) and continue to do so.

I wanted to scream out loud at how unfair it is that he suffers so much. But..... I got the tube in second time around, I held him close whilst he cried some more and fell asleep in my arms.

I love my little boy with all of my heart, and I am so lucky to have him in my, our life(ves).

Thank you for reading that if you did. Smile xx

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