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ListenBeforeJudging · 09/06/2012 22:14

I'm fully expecting a flaming...this will be long.

I've spent many months lurking and reading the posts about all the affairs and suspected affairs and to be honest, it's helped me get over my own hurt. It's not often that the OW perspective is aired and I wanted to just let you all know that we're not all evil home-wreckers. There are always two sides to the story.

I had a male friend at work. We were good friends for quite a long time - nothing more in it. Then one day, out of the blue, he confessed that he'd fallen for me. I was gobsmacked, hadn't seen it coming and immediately distanced myself - I was angry with him as I didn't know what he wanted me to do with that information as a) he was married and b) I'd never thought of him like that.

I had a lot of time invested in our friendship and knew him well (albeit only at work) and knew he wasn't the typical straying type. I considered him a genuine friend so over time we talked it through. He confided that he felt that his marriage had broken down and that he'd been wanting to leave for at least two years (they'd been married for 8, had married young, no kids and it had descended into something platonic). He was terrified of leaving as he knew his wife was still in love with him and would be very hurt. His whole adult life, his family and all his friends were wrapped up with her.

For months we tried to put the situation behind us and carry on as normal but he told me that for the first time, he knew that he had to leave as if was capable of feeling the feelings he had for me there was no way back to fix his marriage.

We became closer and I started to develop feelings for him but still nothing happened between us. Then he told me that he was going to tell her that it was over. I was away and didn't see him for a week and when I came back he said he'd told her that he wanted out and that the 'wheels were in motion'. It was then that our affair began. We fell deeply in love.

With hindsight this was my biggest mistake and greatest regret. Long story short she was devastated, he couldn't go through with the pain he was causing her and for the next two years we had an on/off relationship (while managing somehow to have a consistent friendship) while he tried to extricate himself from the situation.

Then she found out. He cut me out of his life 'temporarily' while he 'sorted things out' (by this point we no longer worked together). I waited 3 months before seeing the light and telling him that it would never happen and that it was over. 4 months after that he left her. It was too late for us. There had been too much pain caused.

He was the love of my life. I still miss our friendship. I've felt the worst pain of my life over this.

My point to this story? I never planned to fall for him although I accept that I made some bad judgements and got in over my head emotionally. I've spent the last two years regretting what happened. I dream about his (now ex) wife often and want nothing more than to contact her to apologise for the part I played in her hurt - but I know that would just be indulgent and of no value to her when she's trying to move on.

My genuine belief is that if all was well in a marriage there would be no reason for a man to find solace/confidantes elsewhere. My advice? Talk about your concerns with your DH - before things get to the point that you can't communicate anymore.

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BelieveInPink · 13/06/2012 10:57

I can understand that, and I should imagine that if asked about said distance, the first thing they say is it's "just work".

I think telling people to listen to your instincts is the single most best peice of advice to give. Aside from "keeping your man happy" as advised by the OP. Obv.

ImNot40Yet · 13/06/2012 10:58

'40 - look at nikita's post, she was an OW and is showing far more kindness that some of the OWs on here.'

Yes Mad, but OP came on here to offer advice, show kindness. All she got was instant flaming. Her advice was instantly defamed as crap because she was an OW, no matter what the actual advice was.

BelieveInPink · 13/06/2012 10:58

*Piece Blush

ElephantsCanRemember · 13/06/2012 11:00

Mad I have, well not in so many words, but I have made things clear. I made things clear in front of the Relate counsellor. But because we still live in the same house he thinks that things are "ok". They aren't.
The sad thing is, I know that if he were the type to come on forums (?) he would say what a great dad he is (yes he is)how much he does around the house (yes he does) he isn't controlling, I can do my own thing etc, so to everyone on those forums (and in RL) I would look and feel like a complete bitch. But I can't live with the coldness. But if he doesn't acknowledge the coldness (and I really think he doesn't "get it") then what do I do? I can't move out with my 3 DC right now and he won't leave. So where does that leave me? In a cold sexless non relationship feeling like a non person for the next couple of years. And I know that an affair wouldn't solve that, but sometimes, I have to admit that for a few minutes the thought is tempting.

BelieveInPink · 13/06/2012 11:01

No I don't agree 40. I have taken some of the OW's opinions on this thread on board and actually nodded at some of their posts. But the OP, in her last paragraph alone, was just awful. No one can warm themselves to people with a post like that.

ElephantsCanRemember · 13/06/2012 11:01

imnot no I won't do it, I don't think I have it in me, but I can't deny that the thought has been there.

lavender11 · 13/06/2012 11:01

Elephants
Do you have children?

If you do (especially if you do) - end the marriage first without any involvement / discussion / securing your bases with this other man.
Live on your own for a while. If after the divorce and when you have lived on your own for a while this other man proves to be what you think he might be then ok.
I have no first hand experience so very willing to be shot down but it strikes me from a distance that so often people run from a marriage into an affair because marriages/day to day "paying the bills" / raising children / stress of family life IS hard and affairs are sometimes (not always but sometimes) the running away into a fairly tale land. But when it all comes out and you have to move to that fairy tale land for good, you realise that in that land there are also bills to pay / stress of life - not identical to the marriage you binned but similar. That is not to say some affairs end in "happy ever after" (I have not studied the statistics) and some relationships are abusive/descructive and very hard to save. But some marriages become very hard to save because of the affair, not before the affair.

ImNot40Yet · 13/06/2012 11:04

Surely the point is that OP's advice is the right advice though? I would have phrased it differently, sure... I think we all need to work hard on our marriages if we want good ones, talk to our partners, it's not about the woman keeping the man happy.

I think a lot of posters deliberately missed OP's point because of her OW 'status', and yet I can't help feeling that if the same advice had come from someone who was not an OW, it would have been received completely differently. That's what upsets me so much on these threads.

BelieveInPink · 13/06/2012 11:05

I think it's naive to say ALL women don't realise that being with another man is going to come with all the day to day drudge than their normal life. They do realise, they know they will get the good and the bad, and the bill paying, and the rows, and the complications of a "normal" marriage but that they will be with a person they love. Someone who loves them back, and will treat them well. (Assuming treating them well doesn't mean another affair down the line of course)

ElephantsCanRemember · 13/06/2012 11:05

lavender I agree and yes I look forward to the day I am living on my own with my DC.
I have to say, there is no "other man" it was just some guy that I got on well with and in any other circumstance I would have thought no more about it. What it did make me realise was that I'm not a non person, I can be engaging and interesting, it was like a breath of fresh air.

BelieveInPink · 13/06/2012 11:06

No, again, I cared not for her status as an OW. Some OW on this thread have made valid points. She was just on another planet. Had some of the other OW on this thread posted a variation to the OP, it would have been received differently.

BelieveInPink · 13/06/2012 11:08

Elephant, I hope the next 2 years fly for you, and that you can have a period on your own until you find someone who you deserve and deserves you.

higgle · 13/06/2012 11:15

I think that in general terms - married or not- it is always a good idea to end one relationship and have a bit of time on your own before starting another.

I'm concerned that time and again it is said that married people have a particularly hard time of life - bills to pay/new roof/stress. I think that these days everyone has a hard time and if you are married and the marriage is not failing then these are trials and tribulations you should be coping with together. I would imagine ( and I'm married) that paying a large mortgage n your own, or living in a tiny rented place, having responsibilities for older parents that you need to meet because you don't have children to take precedence etc. etc. make life every bit as difficult for single people.

The fault in some of these marriages may be that the eventually errant husbands are already shirking their responsibilities within it,but meeting challenges together can actually be quite cathartic and fun and enhance your marriage ( and we have been through bankrupcy, a period of living apart due to work committments, one child having a serious illness)

Maybe the way forward is to tackle these issues the minute they start as if all the responsibility for domestic stuff is with the female partner that is when the male begins to feel a sense of entitlement to live life exactly as he wants.

Ilovemyteddy · 13/06/2012 11:17

Great post Nikita

40 - the 'vitriol' that you perceived was heaped upon the OP was because she suggested that the betrayed DW was the one who should 'communicate' with her errant DH to stop him straying Hmm

It's not just the MN Massive who believes that this advice is erroneous, but many other people who have expertise in the field of infidelity. To blame a DW for her DH's infidelity is like kicking her when she's down, and is totally the wrong message to send to cheating spouses and their innocent partners.

Moudly - you asked how it works for women who cheat...it works exactly the same way as it does for a man, or it should do IMHO.

EldritchCleavage · 13/06/2012 11:17

Right, well I've caught up on the thread now. I posted early on to say look, OP posted a hot topic then bogged off. And lo, the thread has turned into a sustained attack on particular posters. Makes me wonder even more who originally posted, and why.

sternface · 13/06/2012 11:24

NotYet40 you still don't get it do you?

Posters react strongly to words, tone and the message conveyed by individual posters - not the experiences they have come to share.

Consequently, on this thread alone various women who've had affairs/were OW have been responded to sympathetically, which is the same on other threads I've seen.

But if your OP ends with advice that is tantamount to 'Tend to your man or he'll stray!!' then intelligent women who know that's a crock of shit will respond accordingly, concluding quite rightly that if the man concerned had instead been tending to and talking to his wife rather than blurting out feelings for a work colleague and entering into an affair with her, none of this might have happened.

You admit you intended the tone of your own first post to be combative and confrontational - therefore some posters will respond in kind, especially if it appears you are using the thread to air personal grievances with another poster.

If you disagree with a colleague at work or a family member, including your husband, do you really end each sentence with an abrupt "next!"?

And Sugar, do you really advise other adults of your acquaintance to "run along and read a book"?

It really isn't the experiences people have had that are getting a flaming, it's their behaviour on this thread, but again you seem to prefer to think that the reactions you are getting are not personal to you but apply to all women who've made your choices. Sorry, those reactions really are personal to you and those who post this way.

ImNot40Yet · 13/06/2012 11:31

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LurkingAndLearningForNow · 13/06/2012 11:32

Sternface? You're my hero! For you my darling Wink Thanks

LurkingAndLearningForNow · 13/06/2012 11:34

But 40 you ARE giving them the time of day by replying over and over. I'm new so I don't know if the posters you're referring to are bullies or not, so remember a lot of people reading this thread see you as coming across as the bitchy one which is counter productive to your point that some of these people are bullies if that makes sense.

MadAboutHotChoc · 13/06/2012 11:35

ilovemyteddy is another ex-OW and her tone and attitude are coming across well and her posts also make a lot of sense too.

Somehow I don't think 40 will ever get it. She is far too angry, defensive and confrontational.

ElephantsCanRemember · 13/06/2012 11:40

Can I ask a question please? Please don't have a go at me. But H and I are living in the same house. I have told him our marriage is over. We sleep seperately (me on the sofa) What if I did meet a man and wanted to go out for a drink with him? H would see that as me being unfaithful because he has chosen to ignore me when I say we are finished. Would it technically be unfaithful?
Disclaimer: It is not something I am planning, just curious

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LurkingAndLearningForNow · 13/06/2012 11:41

Elephants: I'd wait till the divorce was in motion, then go find yourself a wonderful man! :)

ElephantsCanRemember · 13/06/2012 11:42

Sorry, ignore that question, it was stupid. Of course it is too messy, especially with DC involved. Just interested because I can't be the only person in this situation due to financial reasons.

melbie · 13/06/2012 11:43

Elephants- I think if you tell him your marriage is over and you are going to start seeing other people and have that conversation with him then I don't see that that would be wrong. As long as you are very clear to your husband that it is over, there is no going back and you in no way give him any idea that you are still in a relationship with him. If there is really no way you can move out then maybe that is the way forward. Just my view

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