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Rubbish sex life...

157 replies

agedgoth · 08/06/2012 18:35

My husband and I have been together for sixteen years, since I was twenty. He is ten years older than me. I've posted about our relationship before, under a different name, as I haven't been entirely happy for some time. In fact, most people, including my wonderful RL friends said 'leave the bastard' but we all know it's not always that simple and for several, very complicated, reasons including protracted periods of fertility treatment, I'm still here and trying to make a go of it.

However...and this will sound immeasurably shallow...I am feeling very frustrated in the bedroom.

My husband rejects me sexually 95% of the time - and has done for some time. I don't put any pressure on him as I know that will have the opposite effect to what we'd want, but I have tried everything to get him to want me: weekends away, cosy nights in, cooking his favourite meals, dressing up outfits (excrutiating), sexy undies, lost two stone in weight, cuddling up to him in bed, not cuddling up/suggesting anything for weeks and I get....nothing.

When he does get in the mood, he will roll on top of me, go at it a couple of minutes, need a break and either go soft or come very quickly. Whatever, it is shit for me. There's no other way of saying it. He won't countenance the idea of sex other than in the missionary position, on a weekend morning (but only every couple of months or so), with the TV on in the background. We 'had sex' last weekend (before that, March) with him lying heavily on top of me and he went soft and I felt so, so empty, unwanted and tearful.

There is no me on top or him behind. No oral for me or for him. Not even a bit of leg stroking or fantasies or anything. He doesn't believe in sex toys or anything like that, does not want to talk about it, does not believe in counselling. He seems happy with his lot.

I hope I'm not sounding too selfish, but honestly, I am beyond frustrated and feel like I could be tempted elsewhere. I don't find him as attractive as I used to (eg: he's put on 5 stone and keeps bursting into the loo for a poo when I'm in the shower - yuk), but I appreciate we all change physically as we get older and god knows, I think sex is so important in a marriage, otherwise what are we, just housemates that have barely anything to say to each other? I feel this is symptomatic of the rest of our relationship and I just feel I have invested too much simply to leave, but quite frankly, it's hard to say what I am getting back. I feel cross.

I don't know what to do. Apart from 'leave the bastard,' which is where my every waking thought keeps taking me, what can I do? Am I missing anything obvious or have I tried everything?

I have to go out for a few hours, but will check back as soon as I can and thanks if you've managed to read this epic tale of sexual woe!

OP posts:
AnyFucker · 10/06/2012 14:28

FWIW, I am really, really angry for you

the sex bit is absolutely awful but tbh, my main anger is focussed on his nasty manipulation of you

PooPooInMyToes · 10/06/2012 14:36

I still haven't read everything but the more i do the more of a twat he sounds.

He doesn't "believe" in mental health problems? I mean the mans a moron!

He doesn't consider your sexual needs AT ALL, not even to finish you off by hand and won't have you do it either. What a caveman.

Seriously i don't see what you are staying for.

dondon33 · 10/06/2012 14:42

Sorry you're going through this, it sounds like a nightmare. I can relate to a lot of what you're saying and I remember the same feelings of frustration, doubt and very low self esteem because of it.
He laughs at you because he is embarrassed and guilty, he knows what you're saying is the truth and the truth often hurts. He accuses you of being a nymph because that's what he tells himself to make HIM feel better about it :( I really think men should be taught what sex (in a relationship) means to a woman, because many of them just don't get it.
The toilet issue is a matter of respect, I understand that some people can do it in front of DP's and thats fine if both are comfy with it, but in your case if you're asking him to use the loo before you shower and he waits until you're trapped in there before bursting in, then that for me would be a big issue. I personally don't do it, not just because I don't want to but physically I just couldn't function if my Dp was in the same bathroom.
Another reason apart from actually needing a shite could be...it's an excuse to see you naked on his terms, in his "comfort zone" where sex and performance are not an issue. (my ex used to the same, any excuse to enter the bathroom and he would just watch me fuckin weirdo) at times I felt like showering with my swimsuit :)
Tell him he will not be able to come inside once you are on the shower and stick to it, you have a right to privacy.
His attitude towards counselling screams that he is A- scared to face the truth or B- a complete ignorant dickhead. If you feel it will help you then you bloody well go ahead- you really must start thinking of yourself. I'm a few years younger than you OP and I could not imagine staying in a relationship without/very limited shit sex. Imagine staying for another 2 years with the resentment rising, it will damage you further OP.
He doesn't like you to finish yourself!!?? WTF how dare he do a shit job himself then expect you to just be happy with it. Get yourself to Ann Summers for a rabbit and you'll be spending a lot more time in the spare room....WILLINGLY ;)
My ex had the same attitude, but once I decided it was over I didn't care if I hurt his poor feelings and done exactly what I'm telling you, he goaded and taunted me for it but I was beyond caring at that stage... my actual words to him were " this piece of plastic has given me more pleasure in 10 mins than you have in 16 years" put that in your pipe and smoke it you c*nt
I hope you can see that you do deserve better than this OP, good luck xxxx

PooPooInMyToes · 10/06/2012 14:54

Ok read it all now. This man treats you as a maid with a fuck hole he can barely be bothered to do anything with.

You deserve so much more then this. Serious work on your confidence may be needed. Perhaps with a therapist or counsellor (done that, it was great!) plus things you can do on your own, such as take up new hobbies or things you've always wanted to do.

I can't see him ever changing but i can see YOU changing! The result of that will probably and necessarily be the end of this relationship and the start of your new life. Smile

AnyFucker · 10/06/2012 14:55

DonDon I actually burst out laughing at what you typed at the end of your post there

AnyFucker · 10/06/2012 14:56

OP, there are women who have been where you are

you are not the only one to ever feel trapped by an inadequate and abusive man

you can change your life though, just like they have, and I will bet my house not one of them ever regrets making that break

PooPooInMyToes · 10/06/2012 15:11

Anyfucker. abusive?!

AnyFucker · 10/06/2012 15:14

yes, PooPoo, in my opinion this man is abusive

AnyFucker · 10/06/2012 15:16

This man treats you as a maid with a fuck hole he can barely be bothered to do anything with.

Those are your words to describe this man, PooPoo. Is that not abusive behaviour ?

Taghain · 10/06/2012 15:48

Apart from the sex, you seem to be in an unequal partnership, getting him both breakfast in bed & cooking his dinner while he sits around. Does he share domestic duties with you? If not, then perhaps you need to become more assertive in general and become a partner not a servant. And he needs to get his arse in gear and pull his weight. Including the extra 5 stone.
The combination of negation / denial and impotence are probably linked and I can't think of a way around it. Other posters would suggest telling him that if he doesn't want to make love as opposed to having a quick squirt now & then, you will sort yourself out in other ways. That may wake him up. But if he refuses both counselling & the doctor he may be depressed, as others said.

The calling you a nympho & saying you treat him like a performing monkey are ways of putting you off & denigrating you. Whether it's deliberate or not doesn't matter, he's being vile. I suspect that deep down he's ashamed and if compensating by aggression.
So - please try to tell him to stop being vile, pull him up whenever he's overbearing and see if that works. If not, then yes, you may have to leave the bastard.

carernotasaint · 10/06/2012 16:02

OP i would say that your dhs attitude is from the 1950s but it predates even that era. Hes a fucking Neandathal. My dh has his problems as i stated upthread and i have tried counselling in the past but he has NEVER laughed at me for it. This man is a complete arsehole and i agree that he is abusive. He is being emotionally and mentally abusive to you as well as fucking disrespectful.

ThatVikRinA22 · 10/06/2012 16:05

Op - if you need to begin with small changes, then disengage, if you want a roast dinner, go out for it, stop doing things for him, honestly, the way you have described him he comes across as being a big, fat, disrespectful, lazy, halfwit.

why are you still cooking for him?

stop. simply begin to plan things on your own, and get a lock for the bathroom door - stop him from barging in for a shit - he cant do it if its locked.

start to find small ways of disengaging if you really feel unable to just make the break -

and the most important thing for you i would say right now, is book some counselling, on your own, start to see things from the other side, start to work through your feelings and why you have put up with this for so long and why now its become so difficult to actually alter....

but you can alter things, start taking a little bit of power back, start counselling and i dont think it will take you very long to work out what you want and how to get it.

best of luck. and if you have a dog, give it his dinner....

TDada · 10/06/2012 16:30

Sorry to hear. I think couple will be happiest when both people are trying to make each other happy. You and DH seem a long long way from this.

TDada · 10/06/2012 16:32

if you decide to stay, I suggest that your DH needs to get his energy levels up...sport, walking, jogging, tennis, badminton, tennis...something to get him moving. Possibly you could do exercise together as there are bonding benefits.

agedgoth · 10/06/2012 16:44

Dondon it's good to hear from someone on the other side. Gives me hope.

Vicar I very much like the idea of small changes, almost like baby steps. Just the idea of making the break frightens the beejesus out of me, especially after so long together, yet I think I am already starting to disengage simply by even posting here and getting such sound advice Smile

TDada regrettably I have lost count of the amount of times I've suggested we do activities together, from country walks, to jogging to...oh, all sorts. He just says no and welds himself to the sofa. He's not depressed, just can't be arsed, unless it's on his terms.

And AnyF please don't apologise, I need to hear it like it is. It's just when you're in the situation and full of self doubt it can be very hard to pull up the courage to just make such a radical change. My feelings have been going back and forth like a pendulum. I need to get stronger in myself first, I think and take inspiration from here.

He must know he's pissed me off though after I made a Stepford wives comment earlier - not only did he take the bins out, he also did the litter tray and mopped the kitchen floor. I was like this >>>>> Shock

OP posts:
AnyFucker · 10/06/2012 17:00

the thing is though, you are playing games with him

passive aggressive games

you make it clear you are pissed off by making an off-the-cuff comment so he puts the bins out (or summat)

it's like a macabre dance

he realises he's pushed you a teeny bit too far, so does a couple of nice things so you start to think "is it really that bad" ?

then tomorrow (or very soon) he will be a piss-taking nob again, and you will feel that tiny bit shitter because you fell for it again

it's the nice/nasty cycle, love

look at point (6) in this article

dondon33 · 10/06/2012 17:01

I actually burst out laughing at what you typed at the end of your post there
Anyfucker, that was just a diluted version of the whole conversation that day, believe me I made him feel as shit as he had forced me to feel, and rightly so.

Aged- I seen it for what it was = NOT GOOD ENOUGH, like you I tried and tried one sidedly to fix things but it just wasn't to be. Once I opened my eyes and engaged my brain I realised that he didn't deserve me and that I actually could cope and manage on my own with 3dc, it was so much easier.
Get yourself some help Aged, get the strength that you need to feel confident enough to change the situation, we only have one life xxx

AnyFucker · 10/06/2012 17:03

don, I am really glad you did that

claudedebussy · 10/06/2012 17:11

small steps, aged, will help you make the break. just don't lose sight of what you're worth.

agedgoth · 10/06/2012 17:17

Oh.

Oh dear. That's a fascinating article, Any.
Not just point six, but 2, 5, 7, 12 and 19 too. He's forever telling me I'd get no better Sad

OP posts:
Taghain · 10/06/2012 17:26

He's forever telling me I'd get no better

But of course you would, if you were free of the self-doubt inspired by his criticism. If you're findng a pattern in AF's article link then it is time to reassess the whole relationship & make plans for a different future.
Courage, ma petite

AnyFucker · 10/06/2012 17:37

I thought that might be the case, OP

that more than point (6) would set the bells clanging...

lotsofcheese · 10/06/2012 17:40

"he says I'll get no better" does he?

Translate as: he knows you can do better. He's scared you'll leave him for someone better

AnyFucker · 10/06/2012 17:40

have a look at this one too