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Rubbish sex life...

157 replies

agedgoth · 08/06/2012 18:35

My husband and I have been together for sixteen years, since I was twenty. He is ten years older than me. I've posted about our relationship before, under a different name, as I haven't been entirely happy for some time. In fact, most people, including my wonderful RL friends said 'leave the bastard' but we all know it's not always that simple and for several, very complicated, reasons including protracted periods of fertility treatment, I'm still here and trying to make a go of it.

However...and this will sound immeasurably shallow...I am feeling very frustrated in the bedroom.

My husband rejects me sexually 95% of the time - and has done for some time. I don't put any pressure on him as I know that will have the opposite effect to what we'd want, but I have tried everything to get him to want me: weekends away, cosy nights in, cooking his favourite meals, dressing up outfits (excrutiating), sexy undies, lost two stone in weight, cuddling up to him in bed, not cuddling up/suggesting anything for weeks and I get....nothing.

When he does get in the mood, he will roll on top of me, go at it a couple of minutes, need a break and either go soft or come very quickly. Whatever, it is shit for me. There's no other way of saying it. He won't countenance the idea of sex other than in the missionary position, on a weekend morning (but only every couple of months or so), with the TV on in the background. We 'had sex' last weekend (before that, March) with him lying heavily on top of me and he went soft and I felt so, so empty, unwanted and tearful.

There is no me on top or him behind. No oral for me or for him. Not even a bit of leg stroking or fantasies or anything. He doesn't believe in sex toys or anything like that, does not want to talk about it, does not believe in counselling. He seems happy with his lot.

I hope I'm not sounding too selfish, but honestly, I am beyond frustrated and feel like I could be tempted elsewhere. I don't find him as attractive as I used to (eg: he's put on 5 stone and keeps bursting into the loo for a poo when I'm in the shower - yuk), but I appreciate we all change physically as we get older and god knows, I think sex is so important in a marriage, otherwise what are we, just housemates that have barely anything to say to each other? I feel this is symptomatic of the rest of our relationship and I just feel I have invested too much simply to leave, but quite frankly, it's hard to say what I am getting back. I feel cross.

I don't know what to do. Apart from 'leave the bastard,' which is where my every waking thought keeps taking me, what can I do? Am I missing anything obvious or have I tried everything?

I have to go out for a few hours, but will check back as soon as I can and thanks if you've managed to read this epic tale of sexual woe!

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LostMyIdentityAlongTheWay · 09/06/2012 11:49

OP I'm 40, DH is 60. I do think that there are differences in our frames of reference lots of the time but we do have an active sex life and he would always be willing to talk things through with me. He wouldn't want to do counselling but I know he would if our marriage was on the line...
Have you told him explicitly about the potentially huge implications of his refusal to engage in more exciting sex? You need to lay this on the line for him I think.
I get the whole older partner and if you want to PM me, pls feel free.

LostMyIdentityAlongTheWay · 09/06/2012 12:07

It has just occurred to me. If he is going soft, does he have impotency problems? Could thus be the reason why he is avoiding sex or counselling? If so, it would explain thus and he needs support and help?
Just a thought...

AnyFucker · 09/06/2012 12:15

book the counselling

don't tell him if you don't want to

or what would be better would to be completely open about it

"I am having counselling because I am unhappy in this relationship and you make me doubt myself with your put downs and withdrawal of intimacy. I feel like you diminish me. The counselling is to help me decide whether I wish to carry on like this (as you are clearly not going to change) or leave this unhappy and unfulfilling sham of a marriage.

Now take the piss if you like, but I shall view that as yet another way to undermine my confidence and in future I will be taking no more notice of it"

AnyFucker · 09/06/2012 12:17

LostMy, if that were the case then of course some understanding and sympathy shoul be extended towards someone who acknowledges a problem, faces how it is destroying his wife (hence his marriage) and agrees to seek help for it

this situation is waaaay past that point

AnyFucker · 09/06/2012 12:18

a cup of tea and a smacker on the lips does not a marriage make

dreamingbohemian · 09/06/2012 12:30

You're only 36! You still have half your life ahead of you, and you have plenty of time to start anew, on your own or with someone else who's really lovely.

Please go to counseling on your own -- not with the question of 'what's wrong with me?' but with the question of 'what do I need to do to get rid of the mental obstacles keeping me from leaving this marriage?'

agedgoth · 09/06/2012 16:27

Thank you again for all your excellent advice and insight. We've just come back from a really nice walk and pub lunch (unusual!!) and he's gone for a nap before the football starts.

I actually wanted to speak to him before the footie as I agree I do need to speak to him again and really make it explicit to him how this could be a massive dealbreaker unless we get it sorted, but he goes mental if I ever wake him up and I don't want to be on the back foot before I even start the conversation. I will do it though. This weekend. I can't keep this bottled up any longer. I feel really shy about it for some reason (am a muppet) so perhaps he simply hasn't twigged how strongly I feel and I've been skirting around the issue in a massively oblique way [clutches at straws emoticon].

I don't think it's a medical impotency thing with him though, I just think he can't be bothered/is lazy. The 'softness' Blush seems to have got worse the more weight he's put on, but I must stress it's not all the time - he just doesn't seem to want sex as often as me and when he does, to be blunt it's extraordinarily dull, short, and all about him - never my pleasure. So if he finishes early for whatever reason, that's that and I can be lying there thinking 'what about meeeeee!' He'd be mortified if I finished myself off, or move his hand back to me...but it's not like he was inexperienced before we met. It's a conundrum.

It's odd though as he often grabs my bum in passing, or calls me sexy or whatever - there's just never any 'action' to back up the words!

In my view, the extra weight probably doesn't help his libido etc, but he's happy with his shape - 'all bought and paid for' he says. Counselling and doctors are an absolute no-no with him, he doesn't hold store with doctors and doesn't really believe in mental health issues Hmm

Will deffo have the talk this weekend. Am determined. Thanks again all - wish me luck!

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stuffitunderthebed · 09/06/2012 17:55

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Redbindy · 09/06/2012 18:32

He's a great fat lump, puts football before you, useless in bed. Why aren't you packing?

AnyFucker · 09/06/2012 18:45

he goes "mental" if you wake him up ?

he's literally like a 3yo isn't he ?

needs "naps" during the day, can't talk reasonably nor see another's POV, is completely self-centred, throws tantrums, takes a dump as a spectator sport and you have to micro-manage his behaviour

you had a nice pub lunch though...

Confused

(you could have a nice pub lunch with your next door neighbour)

agedgoth · 09/06/2012 19:46

He just laughed at me. Sad Sad Sad

I suggested an early night kinda thing and of course he said no (as I expected) so I then said that always being told no, no matter when I asked or how, kept making me feel rejected and unattractive and he laughed at me. Sad

I asked what was so funny and he just kept laughing and then turned the TV on for more football and asked where his dinner was. Sad

What the bloody nora am I doing?!
So my feelings are apparently bloody hilarious and thus invalid.

Not just Sad. Am Angry Angry now.

Am going to have long, hot bath, put my music on that he hates and open the bottle of wine I bought. Git.

Love and respect seeping away big style and the idiot is too bloody myopic to see he's losing the person he professes to adore.

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AnyFucker · 09/06/2012 19:48

yes

what the bloody nora are you doing ?

is that what you want for the next 30 years or so ?

agedgoth · 09/06/2012 19:55

No AF. Abso-bloody-lutely not.

Just so sad it's come to this, is all Sad

Typically he's the sort of chap that everyone loves, but then everyone doesn't have to live with him.

Without wanting to sound princessy, I want to be adored. Not just with words or a pat on the bum, but wholly and utterly. I don't want to be laughed it. I reminds me of being in the school playground with all the bullies Sad

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AnyFucker · 09/06/2012 20:02

I am very sad for you too

as is everyone else on our thread

you deserve better than this selfish and inadequate man

I don't want to profess to having superior powers in the business of sniffing out the inadequate ones, but I don't think I would like him had i spent any time in both your company

and I think you will find not everyone is quite as fooled by him as you think

most people's twat radars function perfectly well, just like yours will do with other people you are not directly and intimately involved with

in other words, when you are not enmeshed in it, this sort of dysfunction is actually very evident to the people around you

when you drop the pretence, you will discover that

EclecticShock · 09/06/2012 20:02

Problems with erections can be caused by increasing weight and heart issues. Not saying that's a valid reason for your situation, just that maybe he should see a doctor for a check up.

AnyFucker · 09/06/2012 20:03

your thread

LostMyIdentityAlongTheWay · 09/06/2012 20:05

Well, not like you didn't try. You could go back and tell him 'we talk now or I decide for both of us.....
Christ. That's sad.
Sorry, just go for it, do what you clearly need to do. That's too selfish. I avoid confrontation where possible, but I'm afraid is be starting to sort finances.
Christ my dh would never respond Like that and there are 20yrs between us.
Jesus. I'm shocked. He's very selfish.

agedgoth · 09/06/2012 20:27

Oh eclectic he won't go to a doctor, he doesn't have any faith in the medical profession and it's clear he simply believes this isn't an issue. As I said, myopic.

You're right Lost he is selfish. And I thought I was being selfish for wanting more. And I hate, hate, hate confrontation too, so it was really hard for me to even bring it up Sad.

I didn't get him dinner (we had a huge pub lunch - that I paid for, so why the bloody hell should I) so he's just made himself a stack (huge!) of cheese and crisp sandwiches Hmm after clattering noisily round the kitchen and is scoffing his way through that.

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agedgoth · 09/06/2012 20:28

And AF, you're right - it's hard to see when you're emeshed in it, but my friends (and even my Dad Sad) have said that I deserve better.

My self esteem has just taken everything they've said with a bucket load of salt though.

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handbagCrab · 09/06/2012 20:34

Oh god, goth I'm so sorry! What a shit situation to be in and for him to laugh at you when you brought it up! Tosser.

Could you go stay somewhere else tonight? I don't think I could stay in the same place as someone who had just done that to me without it really dragging me down.

AnyFucker · 09/06/2012 20:50

You need a good long chat over a glass of wine with someone with your welfare at the forefront of your mind

You sound like such a lovely person, I bet there are a shedload of people you could talk to

You have been putting up a front of "all is well" for so long, OP, it's hard to start admitting the truth, but now is the time to begin that process

agedgoth · 09/06/2012 21:04

handbag I've now had a drink or three and my family and most of my friends are a couple of hours drive away. I expect I shall find myself in the spare room. Again. With my cat

AF I have been speaking to a RL friend and she's been brilliant and wants to shake some sense into me, but I've then always wondered if I've been speaking out of turn, or unfairly, about DH instead of focussing on his positive points, so have just, well, wibbled and dithered for fear of rocking the boat, instead of actually doing anything proactive. One of the reasons I posted here was to get objective advice from people who don't know either of us.

You're right though, the time is now. Have to do something or some poor bloke is going to get lunged at at the next work do, I'm that wound up!!! [poor attempt at humour emoticon]

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AnyFucker · 09/06/2012 21:24

call up your friend, Op, and have a chinwag away from your H

tell her what you told us

you are not being unfair to your H, you need support

he is being unfair to you

please don't feel guilty

does he feel guilty when he laughs at you and makes your self esteem curl up and die ? No, he smies to himself and thinks to himself "business as usual"

except "business as usual" is not good enough

for you, and not for anyone else

AnyFucker · 09/06/2012 21:24

smiles

CarnivorousPanda · 09/06/2012 21:27

Why not reread your original post.
Then imagine that a good friend of yours had written it.
Would you honestly be advising her to stick with that situation?

You are making all the running, all the effort and all the excuses- for someone who doesn't deserve it.

Its telling that you made an effort to lose 2 stone. Meanwhile, he put on 5..........

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