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Support thread for those in Emotionally Abusive relationships Number *9*

999 replies

foolonthehill · 06/06/2012 15:53

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
why financial abuse is domestic violenceAre you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
20 signs you're with a controlling and/or abusive partner Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans ? He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans - Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels - The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie - If you a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being Co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out ? You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.
heart to heart a wealth of information and personal experiences drawn together in one place

If you find that he really wants to change
I stay or should I go bonus materials this is a site containing the material for men who want to change?please don?t give him the link?print out the content for him to work through.

The Bill of Rights
bill of rights here is what you should expect as a starting point for your treatment in a relationship, as you will of course be treating others!!

OP posts:
MissFaversam · 20/06/2012 21:43

What a great farm that would be ay outof. Imagine the laughs

BibiBlocksberg · 20/06/2012 21:48

I'm booking myself onto that farm right now (ok if I bring two vair nice cats? :))

:)

NiniLegsInTheAir · 20/06/2012 21:51

I'm game if I can bring DD & my cat :)

arthriticfingers · 20/06/2012 21:53

Yey Funny Farm Grin All welcome; kids welcome; pets welcome ...
No FWs allowed

outofthequandry · 20/06/2012 21:55

Told you it would need to be big - there'd be animals and children tearing about everywhere, lots of Wine, Biscuit, Brew, and Thanks, and never any, Sad, Confused, or Shock. OK I'm just showing off my newfound-smiley technique now!

MissFaversam · 20/06/2012 21:59

All welcome of course except twunting arsehole controlling ex's or we'll set the geese on them coz they have been specially selected to hiss and attack unwelcome intruders Grin

MissFaversam · 20/06/2012 22:02

HUGE correction here... controlling currents too but we save the ferrets for them and stick em right down their trousers Grin

outofthequandry · 20/06/2012 22:04

He he Miss Faversam I just had a vision of STBX jumping up and down being attacked by hissing geese and had the best laugh in ages! I will think of that image when he is trying to squash me in court!

MissFaversam · 20/06/2012 22:14

Yes do outof and remember you may get squeezed a bit but he damn well won't squash you, I will come and bash him away with a frigging goose or 10 if I have to.

Remember my lovely friends, conquerers never reign for long!

MissFaversam · 20/06/2012 22:22

its bed time and antiques road show for me (i know i know but it lulls me to sleep).

Special HUGE TIGHT hug for Nini because you're worth it.

foolonthehill · 20/06/2012 22:36

fool too tired for the funny farm, sad and lonely just now.

See you all again soon.

love
Fool

OP posts:
NiniLegsInTheAir · 20/06/2012 22:48

Haha Fav, you had me up til you mentioned Cheryl Cole Wink

Big hugs to you Fool.

arthriticfingers · 20/06/2012 22:51

Oh Fool :( and Brew and, really, this, too, will pass

BibiBlocksberg · 20/06/2012 22:57

Magnificent, aren't they? Unless you're an utter twat, then you'll feel the anger of their sharp beaks!

You too with a bad night fool? Hugs from me too (very rare they are, do feel honoured won't you) :)

Thunder and rain has arrived here just now which signals the start of reassuring the cats the world is not ending just yet.

Goodnight and waffle -at you all-- talk to you all again soon.

Netcurtainstwitching · 21/06/2012 10:36

This moves so fast! Liking the geese btw...

Thank you MissFaversam, Umbrella and Outofthequandry

Arthriticfingers - my dh helped me escape my family, it was the main reason I stayed with him...but then gave me no emotional support after separating from them.

Nini I used to stay alive as a child and into my adulthood for my pets sake...wasn't close enough to a person to want to stay for them. I don't think of suicide anymore now that I have children. If I didnt have them...I don't know...I think I would have to leave the country and make a busy life for myself in an exotic place! Or top myself!

Despite his efforts with the house work yesterday and saying he loved me, I still just feel very resentful towards him. I stayed in kitchen most yestereday evening, when I went through to the living room he asked if I wanted to sit next to him and I just said 'nope' and carried on reading (silent treatment is horrible and abusive I know) and he took his book and went to kitchen with it then to bed early. This morning he had finished breakfast by the time I got down and was sat with door shut in living room and left house without saying bye to me or girls.

I feel evil. I should not give him the silent treatment but all this change should have been made YEARS ago, not now. Everytime I have asked in the past he has palmed me off with heartbreak with ex gf's, his bad back, me putting him off by my demeanor, those are the excuses I remember for the total lack of affection. THen he still wants sex everyday (doesn't get it, I used to do it relatively regularly when I didn't want to so as not to provoke a discussion about it, but I used to cry afterwards, felt dirty.) I should have tried harder years ago to assert myself but everytime he would make me feel like I didn't know what I was talking about. He's always right and that includes about my feelings.

Anyway he's very sad now and depressed from his demeanor, and i have got a text from him to put some time aside tonight after bedtime (presume the dc bedtime) to talk about something important. I just replied 'ok'.

I spoke to my mate this morning and she pointed out I should not talk in front of dc (she's 3 not 2 like I said, trying to hide myself!). I'm certain she's not taking in what I'm saying...but she pointed out she probably was. Ok, will be more careful. And that I just should not have got together with h in the first place after the things he had said (ie having sex with unconcious/on drugs gf, hitting women was alright if they spoke to you disrespectfully) I did used to laugh off what he said cause I could not believe he was serious. So yes I should not have got together with him in the first place. There were a number of occasions I thought of walking out but didnt as we were so compatible (or so I thought at the time) in other ways. The lack of affection was not showing back then, he was dominant but I considered that a bit of a joke, he was so certain about this being 'it' too it got me convinced. But I still knew I was not completely happy about things he had said, I started to be unhappy about the dominance (but not really until dc1 came along) and he was so like my dad.

So to sum up my long ramble, I knew things were not right, but he still felt right. I thought I could fix things. But no matter what I said I could not get my point across to him, he won every argument (very like my sister in that respect). I would have left after dc1 but I kept putting it off as not having a good enough reason to leave and leave dc1 without a dad. Then we had always agreed to have dc2 after 3 years and I felt there was not enough to leave for still, if I refused to have dc2 it would provoke a discussion of what was wrong and whatever I said was always wrong in his eyes so I did not feel there was any point saying anything and I felt sad at dc1 maybe never having a sibling, I didn't want her alone in the world. Hence dc2...then he completely neglected me after dc2, he was with dc1 all the time, and dc2 didn't sleep through night for 2.5 years...and in the whole time he looked after her one night. I was tortured with lack of sleep and he did nothing to help...only to suggest I shut the door and leave her to it. That was his only answer which I was not willing to do. And he would not offer any compromise. And he said I was the one who kept him awake at night (even when he appeared to sleep though the night and I was the one up 3 times for a couple of hours each time).

That was a good sum up Hmm. He complains that I'm tired when he walks in the door and why should I be tired (that came up yesterday) apparently I should not be tired...

My mate is right I should not have got with him but I was desparate to escape from family and be loved...

Thanks for anyone reading that lot...just need to have it out somewhere...going to meet another friend this afternoon for more (positive support). Feel upset at other friend, was hoping for support but she seems irritated at me not talking to h about my feelings (I TRIED! and yes I could have tried harder at times but just felt tongue tied before I started) before and being with him in the first place knowing what I did. Feel like I'm in wrong and now justifying myself.

Okay going now, I'm driving myself mad wondering now.

ThePinkPussycat · 21/06/2012 11:14

net you say 'He is always right and that includes about my feelings' - which presumably means, if he's like mine was, that he is not right about your feelings! This is so disrespectful and undermining. Hang on to your feelings, and do not question them.

Friends who haven't experienced it don't understand. usually. Without MN I would have felt very alone. So keep on posting. Brew

Netcurtainstwitching · 21/06/2012 11:21

Pink thank you! I had the same when I broke contact from my family, very few people got it... how can you tell someone about your feelings when they either know what your feeling or just know better and what they want wins everytime, you learn not to argue or discuss anything, so often he thinks I'm agreeing with him when actually I can't see the point in making my opinion heard because he will just flatten it with his greater intellect...and no matter what I say he says 'You just don't understand' or 'I can see you don't understand what I'm saying, lets just leave it at that'...just squashing your opinion and feelings in one fell swoop leaving you helpless to say or do anything more. Thanks Pink for bringing this memory back to me! He's listening now but I don't want him anymore...I feel sorry for him but at the same time its too little too late, I've already moved on...I think. What if we can turn it around and both listen? But I feel repulsed by him now...that's not good is it? and I feel v guilty for saying that...

jan2011 · 21/06/2012 11:27

net just to say im listening and care. i don't have any good advice im afraid as my own head is all over the place. but i do understand about his being the only opinion that counts - remember YOU are worthy, YOUR opinion counts, and YOU matter.
its true, friends don't get it. everytime i try to explain to the one friend that knows things aren't perfect, all i get back is that all couples fight after the baby, and the baby puts so much stress on couples, and how they used to fight all the time etc etc etc. i try to explain that its different but she just keeps going on about her own marriage giving examples and how things worked out in the end. its so hard.

ThePinkPussycat · 21/06/2012 11:32

Easier said than done net but there is no point in wasting mental energy on feeling guilty - especially when you have nothing to feel guilty about. As my respect for ex dwindled, so did my repulsion grown. I think perhaps the guilt we feel/felt is more like regret that his behaviour has made us feel this way?

arthriticfingers · 21/06/2012 12:57

Net Please take things slowly. Remove FW from your spaghetti brain - if not yet from your life. Try and make time for you on your way to health. But one step at a time.

arthriticfingers · 21/06/2012 12:58

Fool, how are you today?

arthriticfingers · 21/06/2012 13:02
Netcurtainstwitching · 21/06/2012 18:52

Thankyou for all the replies, really scared, now thinking something important he wants to talk about is something unrelated to marriage? My estranged family ill? His family ill? He is ill? Funny, we're barely talking, didn't kiss and hug when I came in, but the children didn't notice I don't think, its just normal not to do that in our house :(

Yes I logically know its rape but I feel a fake calling it that iyswim.

oh goooooddddddd what is he going to talk about? My good friend, who understands, (hope you have one jan2011) was brilliant this afternoon, really good thoughts and made me laugh. She's out for a meal with her dh tonight but wants to know as soon as I know what is going on...very nice to know.

God I'm scared....I'm doing bedtime stories tonight, so finished around 7.30, then h goes out at 8.45 but maybe later if we are 'talking', anyone around at that time? To straighten out my head? I'm thinking if there is a question 'I'll have to get back to you about that' and then go ask everyone what they think!!

Scared scared scared...better go...deep breathes, pull myself together for story time...

Netcurtainstwitching · 21/06/2012 19:06

surprise move, he's doing dc bedtime story, means he will be down sooner for 'talk'.

Okay is it, he's calling in aggie and kim to clean house, contacted ss about my mental state, someone has overheard me talking about him, hes read my texts to friends...its got to be about marriage...may take laptop to bedroom if I'm really upset, feel I am going to be...can't take tension much more...maybe that is part of the plan.

Can I have all of you as micro cheerleaders on the back of the sofa? All with geese on leads. And micro electric cow prods.

the suspense is killing me. Hes on way down I think in minute...help help help...

ThePinkPussycat · 21/06/2012 19:14

Right behind you net. Will keep checking.