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Being drink does not mean you deserve it.

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OhNoMyFanjo · 02/06/2012 11:25

I have been reading some comments on tge DM site re an interview with a women who was raped. Her rapist has just been convicted. She has had many terrible things said about her in her community due to the rapist being a pillar of tge community.

I wanted to share this comment that someone has made as it sums up what should be obvious to everyone but unfortunately there are some people who don't get it.

You don't get raped because you are drunk - you vomit because you are drunk. You get raped because the rapist standing next to you made the decision to rape you and acted on it. The rapist is the only one accountable for going on to rape a person. End.

OP posts:
Offred · 02/06/2012 20:05

Yes, that's what I'm saying. You can't. You can behave exactly the same way. If you are around a nice man he might take you in and look after you. If you are around a rapist he might rape you and you can't tell one from the other because one will be manipulating you so they appear trustworthy another will be trustworthy and those things both look the same and are outside your control.

Portofino · 02/06/2012 20:05

I m copying this from FB "So there we were eating particularly delicious olives and for some reason the subject of rape came up. And Anne said: "but these young girls who go out dressed in skimpy clothes and wind men up - don't you think they've got to take some responsibility for rape?"

It's an old, old idea isn't it, women taking responsibility for men raping them. (Or men's behaviour in general actually, but that's another issue.) So then Hannah asked: "If your Mick was down in the high street and saw a girl tottering around on high heels and drunk out of her skull, would he take her off to her hotel or the park or somewhere, to rape her?"

Anne looked a bit shocked. "Of course not!" "Neither would my Simon. But why not? The girl's drunk, she's out of her head, she's tottering around on heels, she's alone... why wouldn't they? Because they're not rapists."

That's a bit of a revelation for Anne.

That men who rape women, are rapists. Because men who rape women, are not monsters in dark alleyways with balaclavas, they are just men, like Anne's husband or Hannah's - or your's - but who differ from Anne's husband and your's, in that they make the choice to rape a woman (or women) and your husband and Anne's, as far as we know, don't. It's not the skyscraper heels or the hair extensions or the lipstick or the mini-skirts or the quantities of vodka drunk by their victims, that makes them rapists; it's their choice to rape. If a drunk, tottering, sky-scraper heeled woman meets your husband, or Anne's husband, she won't be raped; if she meets a rapist, she will. She won't be responsible for that; he will.

That's all. "

BlackOutTheSun · 02/06/2012 20:06

Agree 100% Offred

bumbleymummy · 02/06/2012 20:06

Kiss, I'm not. HTH :)

Blackout, y still haven't answered my questions about the drinks. Do you think they shouldn't bother taking those precautions?

Offred, if you're giving the message 'don't rape' to boys then I think the message isn't that confusing. I think your XP could have just said 'don't hit'.

RulersMakeBadLovers · 02/06/2012 20:09

bumbleymummy, would you bring up these same points if you were in a jury room serving on a rape trial?

BlackOutTheSun · 02/06/2012 20:10

But you can take all the precaution in the world. If you are with a rapist then all those precautions mean jack shit.

But you can't treat all boys as potenial rapist.

bumbleymummy · 02/06/2012 20:10

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bumbleymummy · 02/06/2012 20:11

So who do you give the 'don't rape' message to blackout? If you aren't allowed to give it to boys at the risk of treating them all as rapist who do you give it to?

bumbleymummy · 02/06/2012 20:12

Portofino, has anyone on this thread suggested that a man will rape a woman simply because she is drunk? No.

KissMyBapsAxlRose · 02/06/2012 20:14

You are actually bumbley. HTH you too.

You're also ignoring all the points being made and continue to bang your rape excuses.

You've got to wonder why you're so invested in this? Why you feel the need to shift blame from rapists to their victims.

It's very sad.

ivykaty44 · 02/06/2012 20:14

if you are not drunk you are less vulnerable.

that is an opinion and there is no proof to that opinion

Offred · 02/06/2012 20:15

It is confusing because you are saying rape can be prevented by telling boys not to rape and girls not to drink/be alone etc which implies that although it is considered bad for a boy to rape they are absolved of some or all of the responsibility of it if the women has not carried out "her side of the bargain". It creates rapists. The only way your plan would work is if boys and girls never spoke to each other or heard what was said to the other gender. The only thing that needed to be said to my son was "don't hit", the same applies with rape. The only thing that needs to be said is unless you have gained consent it is rape and it is wrong and nothing the woman does- drinking, wearing a short skirt etc has any bearing on that choice to violate someone else's body.

Portofino · 02/06/2012 20:15

bumbley - as kiss says, you suggesting exactly that.

bumbleymummy · 02/06/2012 20:16

Also blackout, still waiting on your answer about the drinks.

Offred · 02/06/2012 20:16

Rapists need to feel entitled to rape you.

BlackOutTheSun · 02/06/2012 20:17

Why are you obsessed with the 'being drunk'?

Portofino · 02/06/2012 20:20

Cos if you are drunk and get raped, well it is your fault. By not drinking, you can supposedly avoid getting raped, or you can fight them off, but if you can't it is not your fault. That REALLY is what bumbley's argument is. The argument is crap and blames the victim vs the perpertrator.

bumbleymummy · 02/06/2012 20:21

Sorry kiss, you're wrong. I am not blaming the victims. You can think what you like but I know that I'm not.

I disagree Offred. I'm sorry but I'm not going to change my mind about this and I can see that none of you will change your minds. It's a bit of a pointless discussion really.

bumbleymummy · 02/06/2012 20:22

Blackout, the OP was about being drunk and the theme has continued throughout.

BlackOutTheSun · 02/06/2012 20:23

bumbley, but you ARE blaming the victims 'if only x,y,z then you wouldn't be a victim'

bumbleymummy · 02/06/2012 20:24

Nope portofino, that's not my argument so I would appreciate if you didn't put words into my mouth, thanks. :)

Portofino · 02/06/2012 20:24

bumbley - what argument do you have for the fact that men can, presumably, go and get pissed and walk home alone yet women can't, without risk of being raped?

BlackOutTheSun · 02/06/2012 20:24

Oh and no-one will ever change my mind. It would be a very cold day in hell before I would even come close to say a woman was to blame for being raped.

bumbleymummy · 02/06/2012 20:25

Still waiting on your response to the drinks question blackout.

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