Being drink does not mean you deserve it.

[OhNoMyFanjo]

I have been reading some comments on tge DM site re an interview with a women who was raped. Her rapist has just been convicted. She has had many terrible things said about her in her community due to the rapist being a pillar of tge community.

I wanted to share this comment that someone has made as it sums up what should be obvious to everyone but unfortunately there are some people who don't get it.

You don't get raped because you are drunk - you vomit because you are drunk. You get raped because the rapist standing next to you made the decision to rape you and acted on it. The rapist is the only one accountable for going on to rape a person. End.

Bumbley -

Sat 02-Jun-12 16:30:33
Agree with corgoto and lueji. I don?t think either of them is saying that it?s your fault you were rsped if you were drunk but I do think alcohol makes you more vulnerable.

Sat 02-Jun-12 17:45:24
I just think that if there is a rapist around a drunk person is more vulnerable than a sober person.

You will deny it even when confronted with copies of your own posts? You were talking about rape.

But this thread is about rape. What are drunk woman vulnerable of, then? What is your point?

Just catching up with the thread, Bumbley what was rich coming from me? You started getting personal with me so I pulled you up on it

As someone posted much further up thread....you are vulnerable of being sick, of falling over, of talking bollocks in the pub.....the only thing that makes you vulnerable of being raped is encountering a rapist.

Deny what exactly running? What are you accusing me of?

Portofino, you've just quoted me. I was the one saying that you were vulnerable to all those things when drunk and I have said many times that a rapist obviously has to be there for you to be raped.

So what is your point on THIS thread then bumbley? Do you even have one?

You're being deliberately obtuse now Bumbley.

You are changing your arguement again!

No, I'm genuinely confused. I have no idea of what you are accusing me of denying.

And I repeat - WHAT IS YOUR POINT? State it nice and clearly so that we can all be sure exactly what you mean and can't be accused of twisting what you say you were saying earlier.

Running, I'll ask you again. What are you accusing me of denying?

Portofino. I've made my point over and over. If you don't get it, you never will.

running - I agree. That is called trolling in my book, though mentioning such things is normally frowned upon and normally leads to deletion.

bumbley - just humour me please? Tis a long thread, my memory is not what it once was.

Of course I am presuming that YOU can remember what your point was. Old age comes to all of us...

You just have to flick back a couple of pages Porto. I've said it all again already.

Bumbley - Just admit it, you've backtracked that much you don't even know what your point is anymore

Bumbley, could you be a love and flick back and do me a nice summary? If it is all there it won't take you long to find it.

Bumbley - I'm typing this very slowly for you - you deny saying that being drunk makes you more vulnerable to rape.

Yet the quotes I c&p above show that you did say that.

You were not talking about vulnerability in general, you were talking about rape and 'in the presence of a rapist'.

"Backpedalling furiously when a trail of rape myths and deletions of material supporting them is rather futile"

^^ Yes! This.

This really is ridiculous but I'll humour you.

Being drunk makes you vulnerable. some rapists will take advantage of that vulnerability (or even set out to make you vulnerable by getting you drunk as Offred pointed out)
Being vulnerable/admitting vulnerability is not the same as admitting fault/taking the blame/excusing the rapist becuase being vulnerable does not imply consent. Regardless of how vulnerable you are, no one is entitled to take advantage.

Please note: I have not said that being drunk makes you more vulnerable to rape in general becuase (as acknowledged several times early on) many rapes take place without alcohol being involved at all and being drunk does not mean that you will get raped.

Her point now seems to be that people are more vulnerable when they are drunk, in general porto.

She wasn't talking about rape, oh no, that's why she mentioned rape and 'in the presence of a rapist' in her posts. She was talking about 'in general'. That's why she didn't add the words 'in general' to her posts - to make it obvious she wasn't talking about rape, but in general.