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Support thread for survivors of childhood sexual abuse PART 2

996 replies

CailinDana · 27/03/2012 14:40

The original thread is here

The purpose of these threads is to allow survivors of childhood sexual abuse, their partners, friends, or parents, to talk in a safe place about what they think and feel. Nothing is off limits or taboo, just say what you want to say.

Some useful links from the previous thread:

Samaritans
National Association for People Abused in Childhood
Rape Crisis
Pandoras, a chat room for survivors and their families, American based
Mosac, for non abusing parents and carers, London based
Women against rape self help guide to court

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PlinkPaSta · 09/04/2012 14:47

Plus the fact when I have been financially desperate they have flatly refused to help saying I need to sort out my own problems.

jasminerice · 09/04/2012 14:58

My dad gives me money. I refused it for ages. In the end I accepted it and saw it as compensation for all the pain and suffering he put me through. I think he was expecting something in return for the money ie that I would resume contact and he would get to see the DC's. But I have refused any contact and will do so unless and until I hear a sincere, heartfelt and thought through admission and apology from both of my parents. But since they still think they were wonderful parents and I'm a horrible ungrateful child I don't see that happening anytime soon. It's their loss anyway.

Re the damaged goods feeling, would you say that to an abused child? That they were damaged goods? Of course not, you would be kind, caring and sympathetic. Please extend that kindness to yourself, because inside you there is the little hurt child who needs your love and understanding, not hurtful critical labels. Sorry if I sound authoritarian but I feel so strongly about this.

None of us are damaged goods. We have been hurt and let down very badly by those who were supposed to love and protect us.

PlinkPaSta · 09/04/2012 15:10

sorry xpost, mine let me become homeless!

But yes they do seem to think that throwing money at it makes it ok.

Mine have always used denying material things as punishment. Do this and you get that, don't do this and you don't get that.

I wasn't allowed toys as a child because of the damage I'd done to my sibling. I wasn't allowed to do activities except to support my sibling if she wanted me too.

They do it to my DS, he politely accepts the present then moans about them buying his affections!

PlinkPaSta · 09/04/2012 15:16

Thankyou Jasmine, very wise words. I might write them out and stick it on my mirror. Just so I can be reminded :)

jasminerice · 09/04/2012 17:16

PP, I am very happy to have helped you in some small way.

Don't want to keep banging on about it but the book I'm reading right now is so brilliant, am sure everyone on this thread would benefit from reading it. Just in case you forgot (!) it's The Emotionally Absent Mother by Jasmin Corri. Please take a look at it on amazon or Jasmin Corri's website.

PlinkPaSta · 09/04/2012 17:56

Cailin, sorry, it's awful she's not acknowledging it, I too would take the money in that situation. I'm boggled she's so emotionless, oh it's ok to prostitute her own daughter but god forbid she should actually care! Horrible thought but did they abuse the students? The ££ does not in any way make up for what she did, it's more just a small monetary compensation, which, again, says more about our culture than anything.

Jasmine, :o I wish my mother was emotionless, is there a book on mothers who hate?

dottyspotty2 · 09/04/2012 18:01

Spent the day with my cousin my lovely vindictive mother has ostracised him as well great what i'm doing to people I love isn't it.

TOTU · 09/04/2012 22:40

I don't have a lot of time to update but:

  • Jasminerice, I feel/felt the same as you do. I feel I have mentally scarred my daughter as she saw me being taken away in an ambulance. She still mentions it 4 years later. I don't deny it. I admit I was ill and needed help. I bonded with her immediately after her birth but the twins, wow, that was a whole different matter and she got lost a bit in the background. I try to be honest and realistic. I admit my failures but try not to focus on that.
  • RE money giving. It's a bitter pill to swallow. I can understand the feelings expressed.
  • Plink, in a way I would be happier if I never saw my ex again. The visit today went fine. Kids came back hyper, happy but not fed. My autistic son is upset at the disruption in his routine and can't settle tonight. I would prefer a Contact Centre for visitation but I've been told it's not possible.
  • dotty, can you expand on your last post re your cousin? Tell us what is wrong? I hope you are ok.

Goodnight all. x

dottyspotty2 · 09/04/2012 23:22

TOTU my cousin came up to visit mum a few months back and made and said he was going elsewhere but visited me, she somehow found out and 'accused' him of visiting me she hasn't phoned him since also his wife is extremely upset as I used to go and stay with them while it was happening and she never knew feel people are being hurt because of me dragging the past up.

jasminerice · 10/04/2012 09:38

Totu, I'm beginning to think it's unrealistic for me to bring up my children without damaging them at all. It's impossible because I'm not perfect. I'm impatient, I need time alone, am grumpy and moody sometimes. All I can do is admit when I've gone wrong and apologise which I do. And I've made it a rule in our family that even DH has to abide by (he hates admitting mistakes and saying sorry).

I saw a programme once about a mother who bonded with one twin but not the other. She received therapy and eventually bonded with the second twin. Her issues were rooted in her own childhood unsurprisingly.

PP maybe the book title is misleading. It's about mothers who don't give their children the nurturing, affection, protection, mirroring, support and security they need and how to overcome the deficits this leaves in our foundations.

I'm sure a mother who hates is simultaneously emotionally absent. But I appreciate that the book may not apply to everyone.

CailinDana · 10/04/2012 09:39

Dotty, you have every right to bring this court case. Yes, it might hurt people, but their response should be to stand by you and help you through it. If they choose to blame you for things that weren't your fault, and to complain about the past being "dragged" up then they're clearly not worth your time. That is a disgusting response to someone's pain and they should be absolutely ashamed of themselves.

How does your cousin feel about your mother and his wife's feelings about the whole thing?

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dottyspotty2 · 10/04/2012 10:05

He's still standing by me he took me out for lunch and had a really good talk as usual we've always been close he's 20 years older so was more like an uncle when growing up. He's coming up next week if he's not welcome at my mums he has other places to stay.

His wife is upset because she couldn't do anything to help me as I didn't tell her because I didn't know what I was doing was wrong (bizarre I know) she actually asked me why I never said anything when I saw how normal her family dynamics was and had to tell her I wasn't aware. The one thing she's happy about is I've told her I have lovely memories of staying with them in my childhood.

I keep getting told that I'm not the one hurting people by both the 2 DC my sisters everyone involved but I set the action in motion I've been told people are proud of me and think I'm brave but the truth is I'm not I didn't think any of it through if I had known the affect I doubt whether I would of taken these steps.

He wants to kill him for what he does along with my DH and BIL.

TheMistsOfAvalon · 10/04/2012 10:44

Sorry I've been away - very busy and tired also a bit emotionally shaken I think by issues brought back to mind. I've got loads of posts to catch up on!

Just to say it is hard when you've had an abusive background to change the record and be a better parent sometimes. Although it starts with just wanting to be better IMO.

When my first DS was born I had terrible PND and i wasn't always 'there'. I was often quite severely beaten as a child (belts, sometimes shoe, once I was pushed down the stairs) mostly by my Mother (She has amnesia about most of it and still says 'I was a difficult child' as if she was forced to hit me repeatedly)

So when I had 1st DS and he reached 'terrible 3' stages I was sometimes overly rough with him. I would smack him at times - god i hate to think of it - and handle him quite roughly.

One day I was washing his hair and he screamed and complained so loudly I lost my temper and smacked him on the cheek and the look he gave me! He stopped crying. That's when i stopped and said to myself 'what the fuck am I doing I'm turning into my mum'. The next time I started feeling angry I'd stop and take a breath or phone their dad to calm down or take him for a walk.

I never hit him again. And that's when a revelation occurred to me: Children aren't instrinsically 'bad' they don't need a slap to make them behave. I can honestly say this was a revelation to me, as until then I grew up in a family circle where hitting and even beating children was just the norm and the rhetoric was always that children asked for it!

2nd DS was a very stressful pregnancy I hated every moment of it and even wished for a miscarriageSad . I never rested, never slept and cried every day. I was carrying heavy shopping bags up till the day before my labour. DS was 3 weeks early and a colicky, restles baby. Which is no surprise. I had never felt so alone in my life. Looking back I question how I managed to function at all I was so miserable. PND was horrendous. And my issues still meant I would retreat into my own world.

Happily though, we've come through it and I really started to look at my parenting by just watching other women with their children, reading mother and baby magazines and trying to question myself.

Looking back it is so hard to be a good mum when you don't have a responsive mother, a mum who plays with you, listens to you, reads to you and makes you feel perfect just as you are A mum who notices that you're being abused and hurt etc. You just don't have a model. You have to find or invent a new model for yourself. I always say I have a model that tells me what I don't want and I use that model to spur me forward.

I still feel massive guilt at times. 2nd DS has slight hearing problems and I blame my stressful pregnancy and my aloofness for not realising straightaway that he had a problem.

TOTU · 10/04/2012 11:56

Dotty - what a difficult situation for you. I hope you stay strong. x. I'm glad your cousin is being supportive.

jasminerice and Mists - I think we need to get away from the thoughts we are damaging our children. Nearly every parent I know has admitted losing their temper. Some have wished their children were not born. Yes, that's an awful thing to say but it's true. I conceived my daughter through ivf after 5 years of undiagnosed infertility. I was so glad it wasn't twins. I had 2 embryos implanted but only one was successful.

Then, I got pregnant naturally with twins. I too used to wish for a miscarriage, or for one of them to be gone. And then yes, the early delivery and subsequent problems they have, I will always in a small way blame myself for.

We are parents. We are not perfect. We have made mistakes, but we are hard on ourselves.

I'm impatient. I need alone time too jasminerice and I'm lucky that although I'm a single parent, my family are supportive and we have a Care-Worker for 10 hours a week.

Who has ever brought up the perfect child? Certainly not anyone I know.

dottyspotty2 · 10/04/2012 12:01

TOTU all our children are perfect to me being individual is what makes them that way their also all special and deserve our love no matter what. xx

TOTU · 10/04/2012 12:43

Well said Dotty. And you put it much more better than I did! x

PlinkPaSta · 10/04/2012 14:41

Totu, sorry sunday contact wouldn't be available in a contact centre.

Jasmine, sorry I was trying to make a joke, have my mothers negativity rattling round my head.

Dotty, who your mother chooses to see or not is her problem, just because someone doesn't do what she wants doesn't mean you have to take responsibility for her fear because thats all it is, she's scared to admit her mistake.

Totu, I didn't bond with my mother, I'd love her to even just like me but I think it's too late now.

PlinkPaSta · 10/04/2012 15:21

I was badly beaten during pregnancy, I didn't leave but should have. I was physically damaged and bonded by protecting my DS, who, luckily wasn't physically damaged. Stupidest time of my life. I was still in the "danger zone" though. I broke down at the age my DS was when I was sexually abused. It was horrendus for him, I was completely of the wall. All we can do now is try and understand it but I'll never stop feeling guilty.

He is a normal, average, happy teen but I have not done the best for him.

CailinDana · 10/04/2012 15:50

Hi guys I haven't been posting today, but I am keeping up with the thread. I hope everyone's day is going well :)

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TheLaminator · 10/04/2012 19:49

Hola Mumsnet amigos.
I wish i was able to bring cheery tales of my our holiday. What has happened over the last couple of days has been shit.
We had not been home half an hour when my mum was on the phone crying saying it was cutting her up not seeing me & the kids.
My husband has been keeping them posted about my very slow progress with my gps etc. Hes explained that its too hard for me to see them at the monment, too many hurtful things have been said & done since i disclosed to them three years ago. Ive asked for space, they`re not giving it to me. its all about their pain.
My dad phones first thing the next day. I NEVER answere the landline (no caller display) i dont know why i picked up...? he wants to drop easter eggs off... They have ignored my husband the same way they have been ingnoring me.
Cue two days of stomach pains & my husband feeling usless.
Yesterday morning the baby had a coughing fit, his hands & feet went blue, bottom lip too. Rushed in ambulance to childrens hospital. Ok after oxyen in ambulance, checked over, chest xrayed & cleared to go home.

This morning what should have been a nothing exchange about a minor domestic irritation turned into a massive row.
He couldnt stop screaming at me.
I walked out with the children to a friends.
I popped back a little later, my husband has self harmed, he was on his way to the hospital.
I`m sat here waiting for him to come back.
Its all so fucked up.

Sorry for rant, feel really spaced out, speaking in lists.

CailinDana · 10/04/2012 20:04

Oh no Laminator :( That is awful. Do you have any real life support?

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dottyspotty2 · 10/04/2012 20:26

laminator so so sorry you don't need this xx

dottyspotty2 · 10/04/2012 20:28

met up with a fellow S/N mum and her lovely family for coffee today was nice had a bit of a pep talk over me keeping blaming myself

PlinkPaSta · 10/04/2012 20:59

Oh crap Laminator, sorry you're going through it, hope your DH gets back ok and you and DC are ok.

TheMistsOfAvalon · 10/04/2012 21:09

Laminator! So sorry. How shit. I hope everything works out well and things start turning around soon. Do you have anyone to give you hugs in real life? I hope husband will be alright and DC. How frightening that must have been for you. Please keep posting when you get the chance xx