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It's all gone wrong again...

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ThoughtsPlease · 11/11/2011 19:14

Hi there, I could really do with some thoughts and advice here please. Sorry this is long.

Since 1998 I had been a single parent after the father of my 2 children, who were then just about to turn 1 and 2 years, decided to leave. I managed to work through all the shit and come out ok. Earlier this year I met someone who I have known of rather than known since I was a child. Everything seemed to happen very fast, and within months we were talking of marriage and another child together. He has 2 children from his previous marriage which ended 5 years ago.

So we stopped using contraception, and I became pregnant almost instantly. He has moved in with me and my 2 children, his children come to stay every weekend. I am now 3.5 months pregnant. I returned to work part time in September when my youngest started reception. I have felt very sick and tired for the last few months.

We were both very happy about it all, and all the children have been getting on very well, and it has seemed great. I have to admit to feeling very nervous at the start of it all going pear shaped having experienced one disastrous relationship with 2 children involved, but he assured me that he had never loved anyone like this, this must be love, he would do anything to ensure that we made this work.

Now, in the last week I feel as if what I have to do has increased greatly, another adult and 2 more children for part of the week. He has an outside interest that means on average 2 or 3 times a month I have looked after the 4 children either on a weekend afternoon or evening while he has been out. I have collected his children for him when he has been at work, stayed with them at activities when he wanted/needed to go somewhere. I thought I had done everything to fully embrace the new family. I have returned to work and I am pregnant. He has recently qualified in his field, but only works 3 days a week, and this did mean he looked after my girls for 2 days in half term while I was at work, so that was helpful, but on his other days off, he has been doing something for an outside interest of his, and then last night, when I came home with the children at 5pm, he arrived back at the same time, and made a cup of tea and lit the fire and spent the rest of the time sat on the sofa. While I made dinner for everyone, then cleared away and washed up, sorted washing, got my children in the bath and to bed. Then needed to do pack lunches, some ironing and sort out new car insurance. I then pointed out to him that I wasn't very happy, and he said he was willing to do anything, but I had now done it all, so yes I could have asked him to help, but he too could have offered, anyway this is kind of beside the point now! He then did not speak to me for the rest of the night, and slept in a different room, the next morning he left for work without saying goodbye as he normally would, he leaves just before I get up.

Later on he was collecting his 2 children after some after school activities, and then bringing them home, however he text me in the day to say that they were going to see his mum first, and then eventually turned up without them and told me that it was over as we were too different.

He said we had different views on organisation, I am very organised, I find that with school, and after school activities, and now working and shopping and everything you need to be! He complained that I asked him when he would be home so I knew whether I should be making tea for the children on their own earlier or all of us together, and also complained about the specific way I like to hang washing on the line! That was all he said on that subject, and then said sorry.

He then stood there while I tried to talk to him about these differences, and he just didn?t respond, so I asked about our attitudes to managing and spending money, I spend money but try hard not to waste it, having been left to look after 2 young children as a single parent I have really tried to ensure that I have savings and am reasonably financially secure so that I can provide for them. He on the other hand has no savings, and doesn?t actually have to support the day to day lives of his children and activities etc. Now in losing the single parent extra working tax credits, we have a very similar amount of money now for 2 adults and 2 children, and 2 more children for part of each week, as I had before for 1 adult and 2 children, so to me managing money and not wasting it is even more important if we want holidays etc. He previously said that he would leave the finances to me as he just didn?t think like that but totally understood what I was saying. He had also said that it was great that I was so organised as he wasn?t, and with 4 children currently and there will be 5 between us we would need to be organised.

However now it seems that these ?differences? which I thought were just about working out between us how to manage our household in terms of money and organisation, have become far more important that the apparent immense love that he felt for me that would mean we would always work it out and talk about any issues.

Today he has said he is too busy to talk to me, he has not been at work today. I just cannot believe that this has happened, I don't quite understand what has happened really.

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ThoughtsPlease · 13/11/2011 11:07

I have an ok network of friends, most have their own children though and husbands/partners, many know him too through the activities his and my children attend. My sister has a really busy job, my parents run a restaurant and as such babysitting and stuff isn't really possible as they work in the evenings.

I don't feel very strong x
And today is my birthday!

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Bluebelle38 · 13/11/2011 11:15

Happy birthday TP :)

You are strong, you just don't realise it.

I'm really sorry this has happened to you. A lot of us can get swept up in the moment and not make the wisest decisions, but you are coping really well.

Can you have a friend around when he calls over?

ThoughtsPlease · 13/11/2011 11:21

Thanks, my girls have announced that they want to go swimming and I really feel that I should take them. My sister is coming round later, and then I need to tell my Mum and Dad whata has happened, which I am not looking forward to, as when I told her I was pregnant she asked was it sensible etc, and I assured her that it was all going to work out fine, as HE told me only time would show her that it would be. So really I don't want him here today.

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Bluebelle38 · 13/11/2011 11:23

Then ring him and tell him that you can't do it today. Why is he calling all the shots?

I think it will be a really liberating thing to do.

It's your b'day... do what you want and stuff him.

ThoughtsPlease · 13/11/2011 11:45

Thanks

I am thinking about the whole termination issue though, what if it would be the sensible thing to do. My 2 children would probably eventually see their new sibling going to see him every other weekend, they may be seeing their dad at the same time, or may not as their contact with him has been erratic. How is this really going to work?

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Bluebelle38 · 13/11/2011 11:54

Things always have a way of working out.

It is your choice with regards to a termination. I haven't read all this thread but did not realise this was an option you were considering.

My heart really goes out to you.

Do you want this baby? Have you spoken to your sister or friends in real life about what you are considering?

DwayneDibbley · 13/11/2011 11:56

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ThoughtsPlease · 13/11/2011 12:02

Truthfully a termination is not something I would have ever thought I could do, but some other posters here have made me think, only since last night, so not yet I haven't spoken to anyone in real life yet. Yes I would have always thought I would still want the baby, and I do, really think I do, but worry a bit about 2 different dads for my children, I talked a little to my 2 this morning about the new baby, maybe wrongly but we were all lying in bed and it just seemed natural, about, how HE would probably not be here anymore but would still be the baby's dad, and they said so if we went to see our daddy, would the baby go and see HIM then? My eldest then said can't our daddy be the baby's daddy, and we all go to see our daddy together! Then she said she didn't like me, when I said it doesn't work like that.

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izzywhizzyspecanpie · 13/11/2011 12:05

Happy birthday TP, and I sincerely hope that you have a better day today than you've had over the past few days.

Don't bother to call the gobshite. Send him a text saying you will let him know when it's convenient to collect his stuff but it won't be today or tomorrow as you have family members staying over - I somehow doubt he'll want to encounter any of them.

If the twunt tries to press the matter tell him he can collect his stuff along with the bunk beds etc when he's repaid you for them.

Does he have keys to your home?

prettyfly1 · 13/11/2011 12:06

I agree with Dwayne partially in that this man has hurt not just you but your kids and should be told to fuck right off until you are ready for him but feel a bit sad at the very judgemental and quite callous rants you have received here. I dont think what is being said is entirely wrong in the timings etc but the op is in pain and is being punished enough. Judgy pants taking the moral high ground is going to help right now. OP cant go back and remake all of her decisions and calling her names is really quite cruel at this junction.

OP take your kids out. Enjoy your day. Then take some time this week to really search your soul on what you want and need to do to sort this out for all of you. Noone can make decisions for you and you need to be absolutely sure that what you do is right for you all moving forwards. Re: the cocklodger get rid. He will never change and has hurt you terribly. You quite possibly are not perfect, pregnant women and frequently irrational (I was a monster) about household things but to let you down so badly is really awful behaviour and bodes terribly for a future.

ThoughtsPlease · 13/11/2011 12:07

When the baby would be born in May, my 2 girls would be about to turn 5 and 6, their birthdays are also in May. They are both at school full time now.

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Bluebelle38 · 13/11/2011 12:07

I'd imagine there are plenty of posters on here whose children have different dads so maybe they can tell you how they deal with it.

I'd say it is common enough these days.

Your children sound cute :)

prettyfly1 · 13/11/2011 12:08

not going to help right now - damned phone. Agree on giving him nothing till he pays you back. Cheeky fecker.

ThoughtsPlease · 13/11/2011 12:15

izzy - he had some keys cut, but one didn't work and we never got around to taking it back, so he can't get in.

I text him to say that he needed to ask if it was convenient to come and collect his stuff, he said ok is it convenient later today, and I said no, he said when can I come then, so I said I'm not sure at the moment of our plans. I did say he needed to bring cash for what he owes me. He hasn't responded back.

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DwayneDibbley · 13/11/2011 12:18

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pinkytheshrunkenhead · 13/11/2011 12:21

No point trying to plan too far ahead with the Father of this baby as you have no idea of how he is going to behave in the future. All the practical getting to school stuff etc will be fine - people manage this sort of thing every day and so will you.

can I also caution you against trying to have the abortion conversation with him, unless you have any intention of doing this it could produce a conversation that you might regret, what if he says, yes do it, abort the baby it is for the best... then it is said and he cannot take it back. If you are going to try and have a cordial relationship with him in the future this sort of painting him into a corner is a bad idea. This is manipulative and will not make anything any different, just making him feel bad is no reason at all. He is a cunt, we know this but why even go there.

As for the wardrobes, forget it. Just rise about it, putting him through the ringer changes nothing, getting everything you can form him changes nothing. He is not reliable so do not rely on him. I am not in any way anti abortion but an abortion at this late stage would be traumatic - ending a pregnancy is a fucking big deal and a couple of internet people egging you on (and judging you for your stupidity as they do it) is not a reason to subject yourself to that.

Xales · 13/11/2011 12:21

There is no stigma or shame in today's society in having children with 2 different fathers.

There is no stigma or shame in today's society in having a termination.

Unfortunately you don't have the luxury of much time for the latter if you are already 15 weeks gone Sad

The best thing you can do is go to a specially trained to deal with this counsellor and talk it through as soon as possible.

Ignore any texts from him for the rest of the day and go celebrate your birthday with your DDs Smile

FabbyChic · 13/11/2011 12:22

Id bet this is about money, now that he is earning he wants to keep those earnings to himself, he doesnt want to share or participate in a relationship because it means he will have to share his salary.

He wants to be a kept man.

Surely he gets paid for being in a band

pinkytheshrunkenhead · 13/11/2011 12:23

Personally I would bag his stuff and leave it in the garden and kiss off the money - it matters not. tell him he has until a certain time to pick up the stuff and then bin it. Take a hard line with him or else hw will think he can breeze in and out.

I would just stay away from talking to him at the moment. What the fuck is there to say?

FabbyChic · 13/11/2011 12:28

Dont let him take his stuff without him paying you back, he doesnt want to support anybody not his own children and not the unborn child, let the child support agency deal with it when your child is born.

DutchGirly · 13/11/2011 12:40

Happy Birthday, I hope you manage to have a nice day with your DD.

Don't let him dictate when he is picking up his stuff. He can pick up his stuff when he has re-paid you. Otherwise Ebay the bunkbeds.

This is a man-child who does not support any of his children, he wants to play in a band, spends his salary on himself and gets hotel accommodation with room and laundry service, baby sitter and sex on tap rolled in one.

Do you have any close friends who you can talk to about the current situation?
I think you need to arrange a meeting with a counsellor to discuss the possibility of a termination, whatever choice you will make I wish you the best of luck.

ChippingInNeedsSleep · 13/11/2011 12:41

DwayneDibbly - the OP came to a public forum to ask for advice & support - not a character assasination. What you said in your advice was fine what the other two said was not.

TP - Happy Birthday Thanks - I would send Wine but not to a pregnant woman and that alcohol free stuff is vile - bleurgh! How about a Brew and a Biscuit instead??

Try to have a nice day with the girls :)

Of course it's going to be hard telling your parents, but they love you and if they're anything like mine they'll have a few grumbles about 'knowing he wasn't reliable and having warned you etc etc' then will pull themselves together and get on with supporting you as best they can. I hope your parents are like that x

Definitely tell him he can't have the stuff until he has the cash he owes you.

Your girls sound really lovely.

Honestly, you will be fine with 5 & 6 yo's that are at school and a baby. Lots of people do it and lots on their own. Lots of people have children with 2 different Dad's and some a third. Of course it's not what anyone would choose and apart from all of the emotional stuff it adds to the logisitical hassle - but it's do-able. Don't let the hormones, stress of twat and general 'gah' make you think you have to have a termination. If you don't, you will cope. It is up to you if you want this baby or not though and only you can decide that - but don't be put off by a couple of judgypants telling you that you should have thought about that before having it (blah blah blah).

As for his 'It's up to you - I wont influence you' Angry it.

Anyway, you at least have the advantage of knowing what he's like with his kids - you know what to expect from him in the future if you keep the baby.

Anyway - hope you are out splashing about and having cake :)

ThoughtsPlease · 13/11/2011 12:48

thanks everyone, we haven't gone anywhere yet, one of the cats has come in with poo all stuck to the fur on his legs, so now I need to mop all the floors as I'm not sure where he has been and may have sat down on the floor!

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