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It's all gone wrong again...

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ThoughtsPlease · 11/11/2011 19:14

Hi there, I could really do with some thoughts and advice here please. Sorry this is long.

Since 1998 I had been a single parent after the father of my 2 children, who were then just about to turn 1 and 2 years, decided to leave. I managed to work through all the shit and come out ok. Earlier this year I met someone who I have known of rather than known since I was a child. Everything seemed to happen very fast, and within months we were talking of marriage and another child together. He has 2 children from his previous marriage which ended 5 years ago.

So we stopped using contraception, and I became pregnant almost instantly. He has moved in with me and my 2 children, his children come to stay every weekend. I am now 3.5 months pregnant. I returned to work part time in September when my youngest started reception. I have felt very sick and tired for the last few months.

We were both very happy about it all, and all the children have been getting on very well, and it has seemed great. I have to admit to feeling very nervous at the start of it all going pear shaped having experienced one disastrous relationship with 2 children involved, but he assured me that he had never loved anyone like this, this must be love, he would do anything to ensure that we made this work.

Now, in the last week I feel as if what I have to do has increased greatly, another adult and 2 more children for part of the week. He has an outside interest that means on average 2 or 3 times a month I have looked after the 4 children either on a weekend afternoon or evening while he has been out. I have collected his children for him when he has been at work, stayed with them at activities when he wanted/needed to go somewhere. I thought I had done everything to fully embrace the new family. I have returned to work and I am pregnant. He has recently qualified in his field, but only works 3 days a week, and this did mean he looked after my girls for 2 days in half term while I was at work, so that was helpful, but on his other days off, he has been doing something for an outside interest of his, and then last night, when I came home with the children at 5pm, he arrived back at the same time, and made a cup of tea and lit the fire and spent the rest of the time sat on the sofa. While I made dinner for everyone, then cleared away and washed up, sorted washing, got my children in the bath and to bed. Then needed to do pack lunches, some ironing and sort out new car insurance. I then pointed out to him that I wasn't very happy, and he said he was willing to do anything, but I had now done it all, so yes I could have asked him to help, but he too could have offered, anyway this is kind of beside the point now! He then did not speak to me for the rest of the night, and slept in a different room, the next morning he left for work without saying goodbye as he normally would, he leaves just before I get up.

Later on he was collecting his 2 children after some after school activities, and then bringing them home, however he text me in the day to say that they were going to see his mum first, and then eventually turned up without them and told me that it was over as we were too different.

He said we had different views on organisation, I am very organised, I find that with school, and after school activities, and now working and shopping and everything you need to be! He complained that I asked him when he would be home so I knew whether I should be making tea for the children on their own earlier or all of us together, and also complained about the specific way I like to hang washing on the line! That was all he said on that subject, and then said sorry.

He then stood there while I tried to talk to him about these differences, and he just didn?t respond, so I asked about our attitudes to managing and spending money, I spend money but try hard not to waste it, having been left to look after 2 young children as a single parent I have really tried to ensure that I have savings and am reasonably financially secure so that I can provide for them. He on the other hand has no savings, and doesn?t actually have to support the day to day lives of his children and activities etc. Now in losing the single parent extra working tax credits, we have a very similar amount of money now for 2 adults and 2 children, and 2 more children for part of each week, as I had before for 1 adult and 2 children, so to me managing money and not wasting it is even more important if we want holidays etc. He previously said that he would leave the finances to me as he just didn?t think like that but totally understood what I was saying. He had also said that it was great that I was so organised as he wasn?t, and with 4 children currently and there will be 5 between us we would need to be organised.

However now it seems that these ?differences? which I thought were just about working out between us how to manage our household in terms of money and organisation, have become far more important that the apparent immense love that he felt for me that would mean we would always work it out and talk about any issues.

Today he has said he is too busy to talk to me, he has not been at work today. I just cannot believe that this has happened, I don't quite understand what has happened really.

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Jux · 12/11/2011 21:23

I'm afraid, TP, that there are quite a lot of musicians who have this attitude. Yes, I know there are plenty who don't but... Something to do with the precariousness of their living and their occasional need for stability. Note the word 'occasional'.

ThoughtsPlease · 12/11/2011 21:24

poppy.....yes I think I can cope financially, I have enough space in the house and a car big enough for 1 adult and 3 children, I have a job that works with school hours. I admit to be frightened of being heavily pregnant and single with 2 young children, and then a new born baby, but that won't last forever and then we will just be a family with me and 3 children not 2.

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RumourOfAHurricane · 12/11/2011 21:29

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ThoughtsPlease · 12/11/2011 21:29

name changer

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ThoughtsPlease · 12/11/2011 21:30

why do you ask?

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Jux · 12/11/2011 21:33

Don't forget about the father of the youngest who will occasionally need stability and will work on you to give it to him once every couple of years, after all, he's the dad and why can't you all be a happy family together (until his gig situation picks up or whatever it is undermining his precious ego this time). TP I've seen it happen so many times. It's their excuse for everything when it comes down to it, if you push enough to get near the truth. It's worry about gigs, worry about performance, worry that this guy was chosen as guitarist/sax/bassist/whatever for this or that gig, oh god I'm losing my looks, better go back to the old lady then, she can never turn me down I'm the father of her kids..... Oh boy do they go on.

ThoughtsPlease · 12/11/2011 22:26

The band he plays in is fairly casual I'm not sure he affected that much by some of the things you say, but yes he is clearly still a twat!

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izzywhizzyspecanpie · 12/11/2011 22:55

This curve ball may have come out of the blue, but it hasn't come from nowhere and I'm sorry to say that I've got a feeling that he has another 'lurve interest' in his sights.

Either that, or you've been economical with the actualite and have done a lot more huffing & puffing over his failure to pull his weight when your back's been to the wall trying to cook dinner, get dc to bed, sort finances etc, than you've let on.

poppycat04 · 12/11/2011 23:09

Huffing and puffing aren't a decent enough reason to leave a pregnant partner. Plus why shouldn't she?? Can we please give TP a break??

ThoughtsPlease · 12/11/2011 23:18

I can assure you that I really haven't been economical with what I have said, he did seem to have been pulling his weight until this last week.

When I think about it, I may be being cynical, but I wonder whether he had not fully understood that basically his part-time income would replace tax credits that I lost, I think he saw a fairly nice house, I have a decent car that I paid for when I sold the jointly owned house I had with my 2 children's father, and I have some savings, which he knew about when I paid for stuff for his children to move in too. When we did really discuss the money we now had for more people then when it was just me and my 2, which was only 2 weeks ago or so, and how I said i felt we needed to manage it, he has since gone quiet, stopped helping out as much, almost as if he has been thinking it all through and then done this!

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izzywhizzyspecanpie · 12/11/2011 23:32

You're not being cynical, honey. It's the proverbial cocklodger syndrome in action again.

It's a crying shame that these parasites are so fucking plausible.

Well, I for one don't see why he should be allowed to give his well-used parting speech and swan off to his dps pastures new without a backward glance.

Tell the fucker to get his arse round to your place again so that you can discuss your options - termination v continuance.

It seems you've decided, but that's not the point. I don't think he should be let off the hook that easily and I'm relying on you to lay a really heavy number on this worthless piece of gobshite and make the fucker squirm - and please don't hold back on putting the boot in from me.

Jux · 12/11/2011 23:41

So mentally and emotionally he's on a par with your younger child.

My friend's marriage broke down. They had a son. She met a new man. The son did not meet him for over a year. The new man moved in after 2 years by which time son adored him and he adored the son. The 3 of them have been living together for about 3 years now. She is now pg. Her son was not told until after they had the 3 month check, that way they could be relatively sure it was going to go to term (as sure as you can be, I suppose).

You however have introduced your children to your new man AND HIS CHILDREN in a matter of months. You have moved the lot of them in, OK, his kids only part-time, but they're not camping on floors are they? They might as well be permanent as far as your children are concerned. Now you've sprung a new baby on them too.

And now it's all fallen apart.

You have been utterly irresponsible. Your children are dependent on you to protect them from this sort of shit. How dare you be so inconsiderate? If you can't keep your knickers up, then take the pill, but whatever you do keep your kids out of it for the first year or so. You have no right to play with them like this. You have made me very cross.

ThoughtsPlease · 12/11/2011 23:43

Actually that's a good plan....Grin I think I have decided but yes let's see what he's got to say on the matter, as actually I think he wouldn't like the thought of a termination, but be good to see him squirm when reallly he doesn't have a leg to stand on!

Him and his dad were going to build some wardrobes int he bedroom that we had moved in to, we had rearranged the bedrooms to accommodate his chidlren, me moving out of the biggest bedroom for this. He did say he was so very very sorry about leaving, do you think I could get him to build the wardrobes still as he is so sorry for leaving me in the shit?!

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ThoughtsPlease · 12/11/2011 23:46

Jux....thanks for your input, but my children are just fine thanks, I have certainly not played with them. You've made me a little cross now, but actually I have more important things to deal with.

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QuintessentialShadow · 12/11/2011 23:58

It seems to be an ongoing theme this week.
It makes ME a little cross to see grown women, mothers no less act so stupidly and irresponsibly, with no regard for the children they are supposed to parent and protect.

WTF were you thinking?
You planned a baby with a man you hardly knew, you moved him and his two children in with yours, within months, and after getting pregnant.

Who on earth makes babies with a man, without knowing if he and his children are compatible with your own family?

I am incredulous to how many women have posted this week with similar scenarios. Honestly, it is dumb.

freeandhappy · 13/11/2011 00:02

I would get as much out of him as possible as soon as possible as men like him have a way of forgiving themselves and moving on quicker than you'd believe. I second izzy that you should ask him if he wants you to terminate the pregnancy and if he doesn't then let him know what's expected of him. Just because he doesn't want to be in a relationship with you doesn't mean he can get out of his parental duties. So yes, get the wardrobe done. What a fucking arsehole! I am steaming on your behalf. And I think that's a bit harsh from jux......you've been badly let down and your life is going to be harder now... And you're going to have to deal with him forever. You could tell your little girls you had a miscarriage if you decided to terminate... Horrible options but you do have a prior care of duty to the two you've got. However you sound very capable and together so I'm sure you can make a good go of it. Good luck. So sorry this has happened. It's not your fault.

ThoughtsPlease · 13/11/2011 00:11

Thanks freeandhappy.

Quint, why does this mean I have acted irresponsibly with no regard for my current 2 children? Actually they have been fine about what has happened over the last few days. They are bright happy children who have understood without much being said what has happened, and they will always be very well looked after and listened to. Another sibling will not change that.

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izzywhizzyspecanpie · 13/11/2011 03:07

What's done is done and there's little point in crying over spilt milk.

However, I feel obliged to play devil's advocate in asking you to remove your rosy specs once and for all and take a look at what's gone on over the last few months, and what may happen in the future, from a possible vantage point of your 'bright and happy' little dds.

They've seen you be besotted with a man that you moved into their home. Precisely how much time they had to get to know him before he took up residence isn't clear.

They then became part-time members of a larger 'blended' family when his 2 dc came to stay - and stay over - in their home.

They've witnessed you moving to a smaller bedroom so that his dc could have the largest bedroom in their home. Could it have seemed to them that they were of less importance than his dc?

If you are living in a 3 bed house, although they are same sex and only 4 & 5, could it be that they would enjoy having their own bedrooms instead of sharing?

They're allegedly excited at the prospect of another sibling but why did you tell them so early? How long do you expect them to sustain their excitement?

Of course they're excited at the thought of having a newborn baby in the house. For them, it's the equivalent of having a special new toy. But what's going to happen if they feel displaced by that baby?

How will they feel if you have to spend more than a day or so in hospital during the next 6 months? How will they feel if the infant requires more time and attention than you are able to give them?

What have they learned from your misadventure with the cocklodger? From their own df they've already learned that men leave their ohs and their dc. From this brief relationship of yours, they've had this knowledge compounded.

How will they feel if the cocklodger decides to be a 'hands-on' df and palms the new additon off on his dm takes him/her off for weekends? Will they feel an additional sense of abandonment by their own df? Will they become resentful that their df rarely wants to see them.

Little children often seem bright and happy because their attention switches rapidly from one subject to another, one toy to another etc, and of course they do not have an adult vocabularly to express themselves, or an adult's ability to process change without experiencing long lasting psychological harm.

But just because young children appear to be ok on the surface, doesn't mean that they are. In saying that they have understood without much being said you've alluded to fact that small children can learn through osmosis - do you know what mixed messages they may have picked up on in the past few months from words that haven't been spoken?

Of course, none of the above of the above may come to pass but, equally, none of your predictions may come to pass either.

You are still in a situation where you can, in effect, turn back time and erase any lasting evidence of your rash and ill-thought out decisons of the past few months. Please put sentimental and emotive thoughts to one side and give rational thought to what is best for you and, more importantly, for your little dds.

BTW, if you're hoping that the cocklodger will change his mind and ride to your rescue at the last moment please discount that possibility as it's highly unlikely that this manchild is going to grow up in his current lifetime, let alone in foreseeable future.

ChippingInNeedsSleep · 13/11/2011 03:15

TP - I'm sorry that some people are unable to restrain themselves and just not post if they can't be helpful :(

I think it's disgraceful of you both Quint and Jux - it's kicking someone when they're already down. Nasty. People make mistakes - they don't need punishing more than the situation is already punishing them. Have a little respect for TP - she's pregnant and just been abandoned by the man she thought she was going to spend the rest of her life with - have a heart or find an AIBU thread to spurt you venom on.

ChippingInNeedsSleep · 13/11/2011 03:19

Izzy - half of that could apply to any and every child 'getting' another sibling!!

ChippingInNeedsSleep · 13/11/2011 03:25

TP - Of course it's all a bit worrying right now when you didn't plan to do this on your own, but you will manage the school runs and after school activities... all the little things you are worrying about. The baby stage doesn't last that long, before you know it you'll have 3 lovely kids of 7,6 & 2. As much as you might not want to, it does sound like going back to work at the end of your maternity leave would be your best option - it sounds like a great job with lots of flexibility & they're like golden hens teeth! There are lots of great CM's out there, your little one will be fine.

izzywhizzyspecanpie · 13/11/2011 03:43

Of course it could, Chipping.

But in this instance, there is more to it for the dds than simply 'getting' another sibling. Although, of course, there may be a school of thought that sees it as no different to the norm.

As I've said, devils advocate. It's entirely up to TP what she decides to do and I won't be judging her either way.

FTR, I have an erstwhile friend who's been very comfortably set up by having a succession of dc by different dfs. Being able to raise dc without financial hardship and with the benefit of paid help can make a huge difference to the sometimes lonely lot of single parenthood, as can having dfs play an active role in the lives of their dc.

ThoughtsPlease · 13/11/2011 10:36

Well it's really not ideal no.

The cheeky fucker has just send me a text message saying he coming over now to collect the rest of his stuff, he hasn't asked me if that is ok, are we busy is it convenient, just told me!

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ThoughtsPlease · 13/11/2011 10:57

I have asked him, when it's convenient for me too, to come and talk about our options regarding a termination, and he said was that is my decision and he won't try to influence it in any way!

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Bluebelle38 · 13/11/2011 11:00

TP, I am reading this with my jaw on the floor.

You are so strong, I'd be in absolute pieces. Have you a good network of friends around you?

He sounds utterly horrible.

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