The Brave Babes Battle Bus - Joins The Foreign Legion In Their Quest For Sobriety.

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Hello, I'm Mouse and I have a very abusive relationship with alcohol.

I can't just have one glass of anything, I have to drink until I pass out or run out. Whichever comes first.

This Bus is a place of solace and safety, where drinkers, non-drinkers and those who aren't quite sure can come and post or just sit and 'be'.

No-one will judge you, no-one will think any the less of you because we all have the same thing in common.

Alcohol.

And for those who want to read the journey's so far and the original thread by JWN, the lady who very bravely started these journeys for us, HERE they are.

(PS - the title is just for you notevenamousie)

Beak I agree with Scoundrel I can't really see anything you personally can do to help your friend. You could be there for her children if they ever need another friendly person to talk to. You could point her in the direction of this thread if she would consider it. But she will only help herself when she is ready .

bugger (off) I am so sorry that you have an addiction to posting website addresses on random threads . If it helps, keep posting, we will tolerate your obsession and try to help you. However, if you are just attempting to advertise this will be frowned upon .

I cannot see anyway that I could have been very more unhelpful. Lots of links and the nhs is taking intuitive recovery seriously, in the North of England and Wales for now and in trials in Oxfordshire from October.... as a trial, but followed with interest by the BMA.

The trial in Oxon started in Oct and is called, 'payment by results'.
Feedback to Oxon CC would be welcomed.

buggeringbt Sat 08-Oct-11 18:47:12
I cannot see anyway that I could have been very more unhelpful

Quite

There are trials going on now in Oxon and they call themself 'payment by results'. A 'rehab' local to Oxford, funded by the nhs, with neglible results, costs the taxpayer £21,000. 'Intuitutive recovery' costs £150-600'. And does not involve lifelong 'aftercare' at aa.

I am not local to the trials but I would appreciate if you would contribute your feedback to Oxon council. Oxon sent 81 people to rehab last year at an approx cost of £21,000. This would cost about £1.6 million. Other councils have sent many more, and all with a 'success rate' of under 5%.
This has to be stopped and there has to be a better way.

bugger you are not helpful, but patronising, preachy, judgemental and narrow minded.

I have the insight to realise that I have a problem with the way that I drink.

I have the insight to realise that I need help with my problem.

I have the insight to realise that I have spent a lifetime in behaving in an addictive manner in many ways. I do not need to explain the details to you, it is none of your business. Just be happy that you are not me.

I do not need to be told that I am not something that I know myself to be.

I am strong enough to make my own decisions about what I want and what I do not want.

Thank you to those who are helping, supporting and not judging, which in my understanding is what this thread should be about and is why I gathered my courage and posted here in the first place after lurking for a long time.

For the first time in a long time I am admitting to myself that I have a problem with drink. I am strong enough to acccept that, but many other people may not be as lucky as me.

I need a friend (or friends) to give me advice, support and encouragement not to preach at me.

Mod how are you getting on this evening. Sorry if I don't remember correctly, but was it you who said that you usually don't drink much at home but a lot when you go out?

buggering this is a support thread, not a debate thread. Please do go away!

Humour is proven to have therapeutic benefit, buggering. Unlike undermining people's recovery and asking them to comment randomly on various addiction models they have not tried and aren't interested in.

Evening all. DD is in bed, I am shattered, as usual :) . We celebrated with fish and chips and launching our Chinese Lantern, and Brother Bear 2 from the library on DVD. Great day, and it really does have to be one day at a time, but I feel that I've learned a bit of how to do that now.

ma you reminded me of how, last summer, I lost about 10lb, whilst drinking a bottle of wine a night - the calorie restriction food wise was a nightmare, I was permanently hungry and couldn't concentrate. Partly in denial, though really I knew that the restriction would be far less if I drank less. Madness :o but I've been there too.

I know what I've got to do regarding getting the weight back off. I don't know if I want it enough if that makes sense. I kind of expect I need to be "willing to go to any lengths" for that, too, and I'm just not!!

I've got a library book that I can't wait to start, and going to have an early night so I can get up early for a date with the Grand Prix and my ironing pile at 6.

beak I didn't get quite that bad, but there really was nothing anyone could do for me, nothing that could happen, until I finally surrendered. An AA friend lost his BIL this week in his 40s to alcoholism. It's a horrible way to go and must be so hard to watch.

Sorry not to mention everyone individually. Sleep well my lovely friends.

Scarey Thank you. No, I can drink very little when I am out, even not at all. Diet coke and designated driver etc. It's at home in the evenings, after 9 usually that the urge comes, or when I get home after a night out.

If I have drink in the house, I will drink it until it is gone or until I pass out. Which is worrying. And although wine is the preference, I can and will drink pretty much anything, except gin as it makes me argumentative.

And tonight I have no drink in so I am baking to keep myself occupied. I have not had a drink since Monday night.

That's really good to hear Mod I am quite similar in that if I drink when I'm out, I generally carry on at home. In fact, if I drink at all I generally carry on. So now I am concentrating on trying not to have the first drink. Keeping busy does help.

Evening all, stuck to my 2 drinks plan during the day when out with friends and have had nothing to drink tonight so won't have a hangover tomorrow! Hope everyone else is ok.

quick BOING!!! really really tired so please forgive not catching up with all

NOTEVEN - im sooooooooopleased for you! - although our dds are very different ages, i remember only too well how i felt when i thought i had lost her - having her back makes all the hardwork staying sober more worth it than i can say - enjoy your little girl!

MA - second everyone else, size dosent matter, its waering it with panache that counts! get a bigger size, some sucky in knickers and a smile!! you will look fab!

ISINDI - glad to see you back! and im proud to know such a genius family! nose pointing can be quite tricksy!

MODREB - pleased to meet you! your post of 19.16 is FAB!

a quick thought for all our lovley new babes - when i posted my first thread/cry for help, i couldnt imagine going without a drink for a whole day, it was an impossible thought - i have now been sober for getting on for 15 months, i do it one day at a time! thats all anyone can do! so hang on in there, be proud of yourselves and remember that every morning you have a choice, just for that day! oh look! its sunday!

TODAY WE WILL NOT BE DRINKING!

oh yeah! one last thought - i would rather be an alkie, in aa or not, than fucking wanker with an chip on my shoulder anyday!

that was my feedback btw!

Suggestion for Silly (and anyone else it's relevant to)

It sounds like you have already decided how it will play out if you go to AA and meet someone you know. You will lie.

So why not go to AA and see if there's actually anyone you know there?

If there is, you've got your cover story worked out. Just stay till the end and then go home - after all, no one's going to make you go back unless you decide you want to.

But imagine how silly you'll feel if you avoid something that you've said you think will help you, only to find out later that you needn't have bothered because no one else you know goes there?

Well, that's day4 done and dusted with no real desire for the beer. Thought about it a lot, mostly out of habit really, but not really with any wantin. Helped being at work tonight and not getting away till after hours I suppose, tho' really did not impinge on my consciousness as an option, as I really don't feel it is now.
I hope this certainty lasts.
Hope everyone has a good night's sleep.